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LIbertyBallers Big Board v2

With the deadline for underclassmen to withdraw from the NBA Draft now in our rear-view mirror, version 2 of the Liberty Ballers Big Board has been released.  As a point of reference, here is version 1 from mid-march.

Our top 5 is now nearly universal, with the exception of Mike being the black sheep of the group and selecting Cousins over Favors.  After that, things begin to get a little more controversial.

Big movers?  Hassan Whiteside went up 6 spots from 13th to 7th, and Al-Farouq Aminu has worked his way firmly into range of the Sixers pick.  Daniel Orton, previously not on the board at all, sneaked in to grab the final spot.

On the negative side, Xavier Henry has fallen down on our board, although not as drastically as in other places.  Patrick Patterson, previously #11 on the LibertyBallers board, is now nowhere to be found.  

Thoughts on the biggest changes on each of our boards after the jump.

 

Composite Player Jordan Mike Tanner Derek
1 John Wall 1 1 1 1
2 Evan Turner 2 2 2 2
3 Derrick Favors 3 4 3 3
4 DeMarcus Cousins 4 3 4 4
5 Wesley Johnson 5 5 5 5
6 Al-Farouq Aminu 7 6 8 6
7 Hassan Whiteside 6 10 12 8
8 Ed Davis 9 13 6 12
9 Xavier Henry 12 8 10 11
10 Cole Aldrich 10 11 13 7
11 Ekpe Udoh 8 14 11 9
12 Donatas Motiejunas 11 7 14 14
13 Greg Monroe n/a 9 n/a 10
14 Daniel Orton 14 n/a 9 17

Others receiving votes:

Paul George (Tanner, 7), James Anderson (Mike, 12), Avery Bradley (Jordan, 13), Patrick Patterson (Derek, 14).

Star-divide

 

Jordan

As expected, my big board was shaken up quite a bit over the past 2 months. My biggest surprises are having Hassan Whiteside at 6, and Greg Monroe completely off my board.

First, Whiteside has a ton of issues -- I'm not ignoring them -- but I feel like he has too much potential to pass up at 6. Taking him in the top 10 would be a huge gamble, but -- assuming the Sixers hire the "right coach" -- it's a risk I'm willing to take. Neither Aminu nor Davis are can't-miss prospects, so why not take the guy with the most potential?

Second, I don't like Mornoe as a player, and I like him even less for the Sixers. He's not very athletic, a below average defender, and has a questionable motor and work ethic. He's a big man who currently has one skill that translates to the NBA -- his passing. Drooling over Monroe because he's a skilled passer is like drooling over a point guard who's only legitimate NBA-skill is blocking shots. I might consider Greg if Eddie Jordan was still here and the Sixers still ran the Princeton Offense, but neither is the case.

 

MIke

The biggest jump was Aminu from 10 to 6, when I was very bullish on his jump shot. I've since come to terms with his athleticism, defense, and rebounding making up for that deficiency.

Larry Sanders and Pat Patterson got bumped from the board in favor of Hassan Whiteside and Ed Davis, who basically do everything they can do but better. Larry and Pat are safer bets to reach their potential and be solid big men in the NBA, but Ed and Hassan have higher ceilings, so for this team, that's why I went with them there.

Finally, anybody else notice that basically everything on this site is called a Big Board? We get no points for creativity here folks.

Mike submitted a novel for each selection.  Be sure to check out more of Mike's thoughts at Ridiculous Upisde.

 

Tanner

The most controversial pick on there is probably that I have Paul George in the seven spot (unless you want John Wall at 1 to be the most controversial). The more I read about George, the more I think he could develop into a star in the League. However, with all players that are surrounded by the "P" word, there is plenty of opportunity to never develop what could have been. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until I'm proven right; he's got Danny Granger written all over him. He could be that go-to guy the Sixers desperately need.

Unlike many of the mock drafts over the interwebs, Cole Aldrich is not my first choice from Kansas. Although I think he will be a good piece for a team looking for a defensively solid big man (Thunder anyone?), he's not going to be a guy to change a franchise that needs the kinds of pieces the Sixers do, at least with their sixth pick. I just feel the other big men on the board have much better upside (unridiculous upside).

I didn't have Daniel Orton on my big board at all last time because I didn't think he was going to declare for the draft. Now that he has (without even consulting me), Orton is in my Top 10. He's got a tremendous frame at 6'10" 260 and could be physical beast down in the post. The fact that he would be a true center is another factor into why I'm so high on Orton. The center position is so weak in the NBA these days that getting one is a rare commodity that is tough to pass on. He might not be able to contribute right away but this team isn't going anywhere right away. If the choice were between which raw talent to take between Orton and Whitesdie, my decision (which the Sixers take very seriously) would be Orton.

Derek

I caved in and moved Cousins up to #4 over Johnson.  Perhaps it was due to my desperation to get a potential franchise player, perhaps because the more I see and read, I think Cousins has desire, and the maturity issues can be overcome with age and experience.  Perhaps I'm deluding myself and my initial placement was correct.

The big changes in the positive direction are Aminu (up to 6th from 11th) and Hassan Whiteside (up to 8th from 14th).  For Aminu, the more I've become convinced he can play the power forward spot, the more I'm willing to look past his obvious offensive limitations.  For Whiteside, it has more to do with how down I'm becoming on the rest of the draft.  I'm not particularly confident Whiteside will ever reach his enormous potential, and if there were players I was more comfortable with at this spot in the draft he wouldn't be here.  But there aren't, so he is.

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Someone stop tanner

by jemagee on May 13, 2010 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

i will be vindicated – give it time

by Tanner Steidel on May 13, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

see i thought john wall at 1 was at least arguably correct

Elmhurst, Illinois REPRESENT!

by TheHornacektion on May 13, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I caved in and moved Cousins up to #4 over Johnson. Perhaps it was due to my desperation to get a potential franchise player,

Then woulnd’t you have to move him to 3?:)

or down to 6?

by jemagee on May 13, 2010 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

this isn’t a mock draft. It’s my big board of who I would take if available.

(i.e., this is saying in the extremely unlikely circumstance Cousins and Johnson are both available at 6, I’d take Cousins).

by Derek Bodner on May 13, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m teasing you

sheesh

by jemagee on May 13, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crazy that Whiteside went from 13 to 7.

Obviously I’m hoping for top 3, but I’m hoping just as hard for 6 (assuming they don’t move up). If they Sixers picked 7 or 8, I don’t think there’s a chance they gamble on Whiteside. I think the pick is either Davis, Aldrich, or Monroe, and Aminu is a head above all three IMO.

by Jordan Sams on May 13, 2010 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

It just means whoever we selected for those spots didn’t make the top 14 overall.

by Derek Bodner on May 13, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, the idea of a big board is to rank the top 14 players we want on the Sixers, in order. Each of us ranked the 14 players we’d most like to see on the Sixers. Then Derek averaged out the rankings to get composite rankings. If an “N/A” shows up anywhere, that means that person (i.e. me, Tanner, Mike Derek) didn’t have that player in their top 14.

by Jordan Sams on May 13, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Valid statement, though. I updated it with an “others receiving votes” section to avoid confusion.

by Derek Bodner on May 13, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus, I’d hate for Tanner not to get credit for having King George so high when he’s inducted in the HOF.

by Jordan Sams on May 13, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’ll wait patiently until it happens – when it does, you’re done son!

by Tanner Steidel on May 13, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

i’m writing his HOF speech right now – copious amounts of double entrende embedded within it (mostly dirty sayings)

by Tanner Steidel on May 13, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looking at the LB Big Board in the tright column is good for a laugh. Is this from the polls?

Aldrich #4
Evan Turner #6
Cousins #10
Udo #21

by tk76 on May 13, 2010 12:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, we started that in December I wanna say. All user-voted.

by Jordan Sams on May 13, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

We should all be proud.

by tk76 on May 13, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually started it December 1, yikes.

I updated the side with our draft board as well.

by Jordan Sams on May 13, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember posting in one of the early polls that I was starting to like Turner as my 2nd favorite prospect in the draft. It may be my best non-poetry-related LB moment.

by yosoysean on May 13, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought you wanted a paragraph for each pick

by Michael Levin on May 13, 2010 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Take what you sent Derek and use it in a separate post sometime down the road (like once we know what pick we have), if you want. The more draft stuff, the better.

by Jordan Sams on May 13, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just an explanation for the big movers :)

by Derek Bodner on May 13, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh please do not take Cole Aldrich Mr Stefanski! I’m begging you! I know you’re reading this, laughing at the Paul George jokes, saying that the Jrue-Wall backcourt would be the NBA’s most talented hybrid PG-PG combo since Isaiah and Dumars. If you take that stiff you will set our beloved franchise back another 5 years.

Mark my words, I will order my Thunder apparel 10 seconds after his name comes out of Stern’s mouth. I will be officially done with the Sixers until Stefanski goes if he drafts Pryzbilla 2.0. I can’t believe the NBA is that big man starved to have this guy so high on these lists across the board. I would take Dexter Pittman before this fool.

by Jack Murray on May 18, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

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