Film Review: Jrue/Lou/Andre Defense
by Jordan Sams on Mar 4, 2010 12:42 PM PST
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Again, I forced myself to re-watch every defensive possession from last night's game, focusing on Lou, Jrue and Andre's individual defense. I also noticed a couple other things. As always, I only tracked their opponent's assists if they got into the paint, and threw fast break baskets out because of the mass-confusion going on as to who's guarding who. I also tracked whether the shots of their opponents were contested or uncontested. My definition of a 'contested shot' is completely subjective, but I used the same criteria for all three guys. Here are the numbers:
- Opponents shot a combined 3-5 (60%) against Jrue.
- Of the 5 shots, 1 was contested (20%).
- Joe Johnson was 2-3 against Jrue (0 contested) and got to the line 4 times.
- Marvin Williams was 1-1 against Jrue (0 contested).
- Mike Bibby was 0-1 against Jrue (1 contested).
- Opponents shot a combined 5-9 (56%) against Lou.
- Of the 9 shots, 4 were contested (44%).
- Joe Johnson was 1-1 against Lou (1 contested).
- Marvin Williams was 0-1 against Lou (1 contested) and got to the line twice.
- Mike Bibby was 2-2 against Lou (1 contested).
- Jamal Crawford was 0-1 against Lou (1 contested).
- Josh Smith was 1-1 against Lou (0 contested).
- Jeff Teague was 1-3 against Lou (0 contested) and had one assist where he got into the paint.
- Opponents shot a combined 3-7 (43%) against Andre.
- Of the 7 shots, 3 were contested (43%).
- Joe Johnson was 1-3 against Andre (1 contested).
- Maurice Evans was 0-2 against Andre (2 contested).
- Marvin Williams got to the line twice against Andre.
- Jamal Crawford was 2-2 against Andre (0 contested).
- I only watched the defensive possessions. I have to go to the DMV after this so I might watch the offense later, but probably not.
- The effort was definitely there for Lou defensively. His biggest problem is over-helping.
- The overall defense was terrible -- as you can imagine -- with some guys it seems to be a lack of effort, but a lot of the times it's a product of the weird over-switching, over-helping system. I don't get it.
- I wasn't trying to pay attention to Marreese Speights defense, but it caught my attention -- not in a good way. It looked like pure garbage, as did his rebounding.
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Eie Joran doesn’t care about defense
he loves volume shooters
so he loves willie and lou
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 12:58 PM PST reply actions
What’s your definition of a volume shooter, because 30 points on 15 shots isn’t it.
Bash Lou all you want, but any way you break it down he’s having a good year.
What’s your definition of small sample size
I’m betting it’s more than one game.
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
15 points on 11 shots for year doesn’t qualify as a volume scorer either.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 4, 2010 3:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He’s shooting almost 5% above his career high FG% and his 3 point percentage is 7% higher than last year
So yeah – he’s never done this before but he’ll surely keep doing it again
And of course – the numbers i alwaysl like to look at
teams shoot better and rebound better when he’s on the floor
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
You ever heard of a career year? The dude’s 23 and he’s been ballin all year. There’s no reason to believe it won’t continue.
82Games says teams shoot worse and score less points when Lou’s on the floor. And you’re claiming Lou Williams is useless because the Sixers allow marginally more revounds when he’s on the floor? Really? You’re judging a 6 foot nothing guard based on the team’s rebounding numbers when he’s on the floor?
by Jordan Sams on Mar 4, 2010 3:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You know why they’re called careeer years
not because they are the career average but because they are the best of the career.
I think lou is a nice scorer and nothing else and a luxury the sixers don’t fucking need
ESPECIALLY AT THE EXPENSE OF JRUE HOLIDAY RUNNING THE GOD DAMN POINT
Do yourself a favor – start tracking it – after a made basket – who is initating whatever fuckall offense the sixers are running – i bet you you come up with more lou than jrue
LOU WILLIAMS IS NOT A POINT GUARD
HE"S IVERSON LITE
Iverson was a very good player – but he wasn’t exactly helpful at getting the rest of his team involved, and lou is even less so
When a guy scores 30 points and the team is MINUS 24 when he’s on the floor ITS A PROBLEM
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
+/- is a useless stat, especially in one game. You should know that Mr. Small Sample Size.
And you just go back to the point guard argument every time. I’m not arguing that. I’m arguing he’s having a good year — and he is. Every stat known to man backs me up. Just cause you don’t like him doesn’t mean he’s useless.
And what haw Jrue done to deserve to bring the ball up 100% of the time?
by Jordan Sams on Mar 4, 2010 4:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
+/- is useful in one game in that it can help illustrate the impact of said player on one game.
Lou scored 30 points
while he was on the floor the sixers were outscored by 24
And what haw Jrue done to deserve to bring the ball up 100% of the time?
He’s 19 fucking years old, he’s a point guard, he’s always been a point guard and he’s the future point guard of this team…he’s already getting shit minutes cause his coach is an idiot.
Make up your mind – do yo want the sixers to WIN or build towards a title, cause Jrue is HELLA more imoprtant to the long term success of this team than sixth man louis williams
Fine Lou is having a good year
He’s a mediocre player having a good year on a shitty team
Shame he isn’t a free agent, he could steal money like david lee will this summer
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Why does it have to be Jrue or Lou? Why can’t I like both? They both do different things, and I never said Lou is a point guard, so what does that have to do with anything?
by Jordan Sams on Mar 4, 2010 4:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You’re the one who said this
And what haw Jrue done to deserve to bring the ball up 100% of the time?
Aren’t you?
That’s what it has to do with Lou or Jrue being a point guard
Louis Wliiams and Willie Green are BENCH PLAYERS on a team that has any hope of winning even one round in the playoffs…they aren’t part of the future of any franchise that wants to win except in the role of sixth man (and only one of them should be on a team, not both, as they’re redundant), and both play more on a crappy team going no where while the 19 year old point guard who MAY be able to help the team in the future rots away with less than 20 MPG (when both are healthy) even when he’s the starter.
It’s not about Lou or Willie – it’s about the philosophy of the team
and when the fanbase drools over lous scoring 30 in a game where the sixers get pasted and show no defensive effort – all that really does is encourage the same stupid ass philosophy
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Only on a team coached by EJ
does an opportunity to develop a 19 year old pg with at the very least moderate potential play less than 20 minutes a game. I sound surprised but believe me… I’m hardly.
I’d agree with you mostly except that every damn coach in the past 3 years has played willie green WAY too much
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Jrue’s 19. He’s the point guard. Lou is not. But that doesn’t mean Lou can’t bring the ball up. Who cares who brings the ball up? It’s usually passed immediately anyway.
Willie and Lou shouldn’t even be mentioned in the sane sentence.
And Lou’s the 3rd most useful player on this roster in terms of future success, hands down.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 4, 2010 4:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Who cares who brings the ball up?
Teams that run an offense that has any semblance of order or common sense…
And Lou’s the 3rd most useful player on this roster in terms of future success, hands down.
IN terms of upside – no he isn’t
Jrue
Thad
Iguodala
Sam
Speights
ALL more useful for future success of this team than lou williams…this is what lou williams is a scorer who is a huge defensive liability – he’s a sixth man – at best
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Lou’s the best scorer on this team. He’s also only 23. Sure, Lou is one-dimensional, but at least he’s good at his one dimension. What exactly are Speights and Thad good at? They’re both worse deffensively. Neither can rebound. And they’re what, 1 or 2 years younger. Sorry, don’t see the upside.
And Lou isn’t a HUGE defensive liability. He’s average to slight below average. Find me some evidence otherwise.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 4, 2010 4:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
once they enter the league – what matters is their experience – lou is a veteran nba player – it’s hist fifth year – this is an outlier versus the rest of his career and its’ more likely he reverts to career averages after this season and goes back to what he is.
It’s like people who tell me kobe is only X – kobe’s been in the NBA 13/14 years – that’s the number that matters
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
Same with the likes of KG and TMAC, it’s not the year of the car its the miles it’s driven. Lou doesn’t really impress me all too much and his lack of defense (though improving I’ll give him that.) is disconcerting. Let it be known I’m speaking generally not in comparison to thad or speights.
I used to hate lou – i hate him a lot less now – but he’s not a guy i want getting 30 mpg – he’s not a 30 mpg guy on a team that is going to contend.
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you for pointing that out captain obvious
But when Lou (and willie) take minutes away from a guy who MAY help this team become a contender thus massively inhibiting his development – you hinder the possible development OF the sixers towards becoming a contender.
Look beyond lou’s minutes and (usage rate) and see how it impinges upon the possible development of guys who WILL help this team contend.
Both Lou and Willie scoring lots of points while the team gets their ass pasted may impress some people but to me it’s just a waste of time.
I’m not saying start jodie meeksw – BUT FUCKING PLAY HIM – there are no plays – there is no offenser to learn – if ed wanted him so much – play the fracking kid
I think stefanski needs to go back on the radio and say how he feels jrue needs to play 3 0 minutes per game and that Sam probably shouldn’t play less than 25 minutes if he isn’t in foul trouble.
LOOK BEYOND THE SYMPTOMS TO SEE THE DISEASE
Lou isn’t the disease he’s just a SYMPTOM – you can’t see beyond it
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
So you think we should play Holiday, Meeks, Andre, Thad and Speights 48 minutes a game? Everybody else is useless right?
Lou has nothing to do with Holiday not getting his minutes. Willie, yes. But who on here is saying Willie should get more minutes than Jrue, if any? Not a single person, so why even bring him up?
Jrue’s only the point guard of the future by default. Let’s not overrate a 19-year old kid who has done nothing, but show a few glimpses here and there. Considering you’ve watched less than 10 Sixers games all year I’d love it if you presented any tangible evidence that either A) Jrue is as good as you say he is or B) Lou Williams is “useless” and a “HUGE defense liability”. I’ll wait.
Please ask UNLV to give you a course in reading comprehension
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t argue if you have nothing to back it up homie.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 4, 2010 9:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
always a point guard
wasn’t collison ucla’s point guard last year not jrue
Yeah, Jrue only signed on to UCLA because pretty much every one assumed collison was leaving and jrue would be the point
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
While I dont agree with everything u say and just said.....
LOU WILLIAMS IS NOT A POINT GUARD
. Agreed 100%!! He is a Shooting guard. He looks to score first! He is a decent shooter and can score from almost anywhere on the court (this season). Jrue is a true PG as he looks to get his teammates involved FIRST, and takes it from there. While Lou might/may be having his best season so far, he is by no means a PG. The point I believe jemagee is trying make is that as a true PG, Jrue is more suited too run that position, and Lou is more suited to run SG! And there is nuttn wrong with that.
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
U can clearly see Lous' mentality vs Jrues' mentality as a Guard
one is indeed a SG and the other a PG! It’s Blatantly obvious actually!!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Jrue's the future pg of this team
Lou’s having a good season not spectacular and if he can improve his D beyond what he already appears to be doing he could be a good 6th man. I’m not big on Lou try as I might.
yezzer!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
i think we should trade in the offseason iggy,dalmbert,and ricko t to the nets for jay z. at least then we can get some entertainment when the team sucks
Can we get old Jay-Z – new Jay-z is a little too polished and egotistical for my tastes
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Jay-Z aint Jay-Z without the ego. “best rapper alive”
by Michael Levin on Mar 4, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
j-a-y i flow sick – f*** all ya’ll haters blow (nickname for someone named richard)
by Tanner Steidel on Mar 4, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge Jay-Z fan but the more main stream he got the less god he gets in my opinion
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
On an unrelated note...
has anyone else heard about Iverson’s wife?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-76ers-iversondivorce&prov=ap&type=lgns
For some reason i get the impression she’s kicking the guy while he’s down…weak.
Child support I understand but alimony? Give me a break.
You know nothing about marriage, divorce or being a parent do you?
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
calm down big guy its only my opinion just curious to see what other people think about it (The timing in relation to his daughter’s sickness for example)
Yes – his daughter is sick – and who do you think gave birth to her?
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
I acknowledge it’s not as if AI has been a better parent/been there more for their daughter than his wife, however it’s unsettling to me in the timing of the divorce (AI’s career likely over, no longer a superstar etc). I’m not naive to the way the world works in regards to marriage…I just feel for the guy is all.
And yet – you point out the thing about his daughter, though I’m pretty sure the daughter is also the wifes child
and then there was that little incident of domesitc distrurnace iverson had his first time around in philadlephia
I’ll give you a hint – much like when brett myers smacked his wife publicly and didn’t get in trouble for it – it usually isn’t the first (or last) time something like that happens if the wife doesn’t leave.
Your compassion for iverson is touching, your lack of compassion for the wife is ridiculous
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Not to sound easily swayed in my convictions, you bring up a very valid point in that it’s also his wife’s child. I’ve always been a huge AI fan and neither him nor his soon to be ex wife deserve what they’re going through. Watching the world of one of my favorite players’ come apart at the seams is extremely difficult to observe. I can only hope he emerges a changed man.
This is not a unique situation – this is not a rare situation – the divorce rate in the united states is approximately 50% (stop getting married people)…and when you factor in the socio economic factors of upbringing that Allen comes from (I know nothing about his wife) it’s probably higher….i really don’t care about the personal life of celebrities be they on a team I like or covered by TMZ
then again, we are a voyeuristic celebrity driven nation…which is just awesome
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting that we both have the same view on the vultures of our society (IE:TMZ). When the Tiger Wood’s scandal broke and developed, I couldn’t help but cringe at the lengths TMZ went to acquire even the slightest tidbit of information. (“Is tiger in rehab?” “Where is Tiger” come to mind.) Although it’s been said so many times it bears repeating, if TMZ and other “news sources” were to account every instance of infidelity, divorce and domestic disputes in the United States, “stories” like this would be commonplace.
Yet you care an awful lot about Allen Iversons personal life – and i couldn’t care less
I believe by the time my younger sister graduated college the balance due from my father to my mother for past support was 250K
so that’s the position i come from
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
I’m torn between caring immensely about celebrities personal lives and not even caring one bit. The polarizing nature of athletes ( especially AI). If an athlete WANTS to make it our business about where he is at all times it’s his prerogative. I just wish people would quit invading the privacy of those who desire their personal info to remain….personal.
I don’t care one bit – because it’s the TMZ society and by caring about their personal lives even a little you buy into it.
I admit – i do watch TMZ sometimes on tv – but not because i care – but because some of those folks who work at TMZ are a fracking RIOT…seriously, that harvey guy (really really gay, but there’s nothing wrong with that) is a hoot, and the idiot surfer boy.
Seriously, I think someone should start a blog that is ‘tmztvblog’ or something like that – and all it is is a blog about the tmz show spawned by the tmz blog
Though I think it would rip a whole in the space time fabric of reality
by jemagee on Mar 4, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
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