Sixers Draft '10: The Guys I Don't Want
With 9 games remaining, Mission WTF (Wall, Turner, Favors) is all but over and the Sixers are locked in to a pick in the 7-10 range. I think it's not only time for forget about WTF, but Cousins and Wes as well. If a ball bounces the Sixers way, awesome, but I'm not counting on it.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), the bulk of our conversations this year have surrounded the NBA draft. We've done a user-voted big board, an official LB big board, and numerous player profiles. By now everyone's formed an opinion on who they want the Sixers to draft, so I thought I'd take a different approach and write about the prospects I don't want the Sixers to draft. To save myself from making a case against Arnett Moultrie I narrowed it down to Draft Express's top 15 prospects, excluding the top 5. This is all in relation to a pick in the 7-10 range.
Greg Monroe (DX Rank - 9, ESPN Rank - 9)
More than anyone in the top 15 I think Monroe's NBA success is solely dependent on what team drafts him. His passing ability makes him a perfect fit for the Princeton Offense, but once Eddie Jordan leaves town, the Princeton Offense will soon follow. Thank God. The only way the Sixers can be successful with their current roster is to play defense and get out in transition. They need big men who can block shots, rebound and catch alley-oops from Jrue and Andre. Monroe fills none of those needs. I like Monroe as a player and think he's a top 10 talent, but he doesn't fit what the Sixers are (should be) trying to build.
Patrick Patterson (DX Rank - 10, ESPN Rank - 14)
Patterson is an undersized power forward, who's athleticism would be a nice fit with the Sixers. He's also a decent scorer and has the ability to stretch the floor with an above average jumper. That's where the positives end. He's a below average rebounder. (He couldn't box out to save his life in the Cornell game.) He's not the greatest defender, and I don't see him amounting to anything more than a 7th or 8th man in the NBA. He's not a good enough scorer to cover up his defensive or rebounding flaws, and doesn't have too much upside. Basically, he's not what I'm looking for in a top 10 pick.
Damion James (DX Rank - 15, ESPN Rank - 35)
I was a lot higher on James until the Wake Forest game, where he was absolutely man-handled by Al-Farouq Aminu. However; I still like James as an NBA player. Since he's a bit of a tweener I think the best thing for him to do is put on about 20 pounds and commit to playing power forward in the NBA. His biggest strengths are toughness, rebounding, and hustle. Sound familiar? Yeah, he's a rich man's Reggie Evans in my mind, with more "basketball skills" and less nut-cusping. If Reggie can hang around in the league, there's no reason James can't. There's always room for a high-energy, tough, rebounding forward in my book. But is he a top 10 pick? Absolutely not.
Jan Vesely (DX Rank - 11, ESPN Rank - 11)
This is where things get a little murky. It's hard enough to evaluate prospects, let alone ones you haven't seen play. From what I've read Vesely is an extremely raw prospect. He's 6'11'', 240 pounds, and DX describes him as having "a nice wingspan, a great frame and outstanding athleticism." His biggest strengths appear to be his athleticism and rim-rattling dunks, so that's a plus. But everything else seems to be a huge work in progress. Normally you'd expect players like Vesely to be great shooters, but his percentages of 36% from three and 63% from the line are surprisingly underwhelming.
Here are some other comments that jumped out at me for different reasons:
"His basketball IQ is clearly not off the charts."
"... constantly harassing the ball-handler with his terrific size, length and athleticism, putting in a great effort, and coming up with plenty of blocks and steals in the process."
"His lateral quickness can get exposed at times defending players a half a foot or more shorter than him at the small forward position, but it's not rare at all to see him recover spectacularly and still make a big play from behind."
"Vesely's rebounding numbers continue to look bafflingly poor, something that has been a trend throughout his career in every competition he's played in."
The fact that he's not terrific any one area frightens me. His athleticism would fit right in with the Sixers' strengths, but his lack of defense and rebounding would be a huge problem unless he became an elite offensive player. Although he's only 19 and might have more upside than others in the top 10, I'd rather draft someone with less risk involved. And if I had to take a risk on somebody, I'd rather it be a risk involving defensive potential rather than offensive potential. Sorry Jan.
(On a positive note, Jan has a sick nickname - "The Dunking Ninja" - and a pretty impressive highlight reel.)
Donatas Motiejunas (DX Rank - 12, ESPN Rank - 12)
Based on the most recent scouting reports and highlight reels it looks like Donatas is oozing with offensive potential. Like Jan, he shoots a lot worse than you'd like (29% from three and 71% from the line), but as DX points out, his shooting mechanics and soft touch around the rim lead you to believe that those percentages will only improve, (similar to how we knew Andre Iguodala's jumper would never be great because of his mechanics).
Unlike his common comparison, Andrea Bargnani, Donatas appears to have an all-around offensive game. Besides his lack of strength and inability to establish post position, he has virtually no weaknesses on offense. He can handle the ball, he can shoot, he can create for both himself and his teammates, he can score out of the post, and thrive in transition. What's not to like?
Well, notice how I haven't mentioned defense or rebounding yet. DX describes his defense and rebounding as worrisome at best. The phrases "lack of strength", "extremely poor balance", "gets pushed around", "lack of defensive commitment", "doesn't always play hard", and "poor rebounder" aren't exactly things you want to hear when investing a top 10 pick and millions of dollars into a kid.
Is the offensive potential intriguing? Definetely. If there were a way to guarantee it translating to the NBA I might be inclined to spend a top 10 pick on Dontas. But there's not, and the defense, rebounding and attitude red flags are simply too risky for me.
Again, I'll take a risk on a player with defensive potential over a player with offensive potential any day, but I wouldn't blame anybody for wanting Dontas in the top 10. He could be that go-to guy that we've been looking for.
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So Tanner steals my snarkiness, Derek takes the cool nickname title, and now you’re posting about college basketball. I can see when I’m not wanted.
/worthless’ed
That’s never stopped me before
Have a little pride in yourself man (woman? who used to be a woman?
by jemagee on Mar 29, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
don’t worry, I’m sure in the next two months we’ll mention the draft once or twice more.
Derek Bodner
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by Derek Bodner on Mar 29, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
draft
after looking over the DX picks that arent on your “avoid list” I conclude there is no help on the way any time soon
Davis, Johnson, Aldrich, Henry, and Udoh?
by Jordan Sams on Mar 30, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Still don’t think Davis comes out. And you were hating on Aldrich all season long — whats changed?
by Michael Levin on Mar 30, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
If davis goes back for another year he’s probably just hurting his draft status more.
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus if he comes out next year he’ll prolly have to sit out his would-be rookie season because of the lockout.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 30, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Depending on when the lock out occurs I wonder if there would even be a draft
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I think there’d have to be. I know in the NFL already said they’d still have a draft if they had a lockout.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 30, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn’t ‘have’ to be – i mean there should be but what are they going to do – all bolt to europe?
The one thing the NBA does better than the NFL is rookie salary control
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
absolutely. there needs to be a rookie scale in the nfl.
i do like the nfl draft better though because it’s not top 5 or bust like in the nba.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 30, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Each NFL team has 53 active players – and there are 32 teams – that’s over 1500 players on active rosters (1696 i think)
Each NBA team has 15 players under contract – max – with 30 teams – that’s 450 players
There’s more room for ‘success’ in the NFL – there’s also just a much larger pool to upll from
This also ignores the fact that the NFL has it’s shiz together for draft preparation while the nba has its head farther up its rectum than bud selig and his slotting rules
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
the mlb draft is the worst. how does jason heyward not go top 10?
the nfl is also a lot less dependent on a superstar. i hate not having a superstar in basketball.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 30, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Well there’s more players important in the NFL – but no ‘detroit pistons’ team is going to win a super bowl
In this day and age a very good QB is necessary to win in the NFL…
I hope heyward breaks his leg – i’m tired of hearing about him – my guess is signability issues – or the fact that he wasn’t that good out of high school or whatever
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
do you consider eli manning a very good qb?
olney wrote that it was because scouts only paid attention to his senior season when everyone walked him – and scouts thought he was too hesitant.
I don’t consider eli manning a very good QB – I think eli manning had a very good game (I knew you were going to bring up eli manning) but in general is suck ass and I love watching him suck on the giants while writers try to make it seem like he doesn’t suck.
Don’t be fooled – the NFL is a stars league – it’s just that some of the ‘stars’ aren’t as known by the ‘reguar folk’ because you have to pay attention to see the stars…but you don’t win without great players
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah well you can’t win any championships without great players, but there are a select few in the NBA, really the only way to get them is a top 5 pick.
you can get a superstar in the nfl or mlb a ton of different ways.
Free agency in the NBA is a bit hard – you’re right – but in the end – drafting smartly is usually the best way to win in any league
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don’t like Aldrich. Role player at best. But at least I know what I’m getting. Ultimately, I’d be pissed if we ended up with Aldrich as well.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 30, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Youre just a racist, that’s all – you hate doughy white boys who lumber up the court
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
If the sixers could draft cole aldrich where they drafted jason smith – i’d be ok with it
Smith suxxorz though buddy :)
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
would u take any of these guys above over aldrich?
by Jordan Sams on Mar 30, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I take him over the over rated euros – euro hype is getting annoying – tiago splitter (spitter) is awesome folks – just you wait
I probably take him over everyone but monroe and maybe patterson
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
u’d rather have patterson and monroe than aldrich? why?
by Jordan Sams on Mar 30, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I think comparing monroe and aldrich monroe has slightly more upside, athleticism and physical conditioning.
I think patterson is a better overall basketball player but they play different positions
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
monroe maybe.
but patterson comes from the same mold as speights and thad. i’d bet you money that after a year of patterson you’d dislike him more than any other sixer.
Nothing I’ve read indicates that patterson has the bsketball iq of a retarded gibbon
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Turns out draftexpress did
here’s an interesting ‘hindsight’ read for folks who are bored
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Striking-While-the-Iron-is-Cold-Thaddeus-Young-1870/
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no hope for speights since it’s a work ethic thing and even the GM admitted to someone that Speights has none
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
BTW – Jason Smith is the poster child for why wingspan is relevant :)
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
j-smith has been fantastic the past two games my friend.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 30, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
2 games is a strong sample size – you’re right
by jemagee on Mar 30, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
watching that vesely mix tape -
I wouldn’t mind if we were to get him. He looks great on the break. He also looks to be a pesky defender. If he were to hit the weight room he’d be a beast.
Highlight tapes can be deceiving. I think I’d rather have Donatas than Jan because I think he has more superstar potential.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 30, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He barely made the cut. It all depends who’s available. I have him 12 on my big board, so if the Sixers end up with the 10th pick and 1 or 2 guys stay in school, we could be looking at Cole.
by Jordan Sams on Mar 30, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't stand Cousins and Aldrich
I beleive they’re both overhyped and something tells me when cousins comes to the big leagues he’s gonna be squashed like a fly (at least i’m hoping) his attitudes attrotious and he disrespects his very respected coach during games, i’d really hate to see what he does to our new coach.
by Sire Dakota Burrow on Mar 30, 2010 8:42 PM PDT reply actions
And he’s only 19 – I’m sure you did nothing you regretted at 19 either right?
Cousins and Aldrich are not even in the same sentence in terms of talent.
by jemagee on Mar 31, 2010 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Does anyone have any concerns about Hassan Whiteside? I just get a boom/bust project feeling about the guy. With emphasis on the bust side.
And can of worms time. Does anyone else think that nbadraft.net’s mock draft is a little more accurate than DraftExpress? Sorry Derek Bodner. These are about the only two draft sites I visit, and I always think nbadraft.net is closer to the mark.
At this stage I’m hoping for 9th spot and that Xavier Henry declares.
dude nbadraft.net is garbage. i believe they had tyreke going 18 last year. DX is way better.
as for whiteside, there’s definitely concerns. supposedly he has major attitude problems (and possibly work ethic) and he hasn’t really gone up against stellar competition. but those are the kind of guys you get after the top 3-4.
Nope – I don’t think NBA draft.net is accurate – ever – NBA Drat.net constantly changes their mock – and it’s pretty much accepted they do so (especially this time of year) to keep peope coming back.
The only reason i find NBADraft.net useful is that they have the ‘trade’ history there that indicates who owes what picks to whom…as for ther est of it – DX has better analysis – deeper analysis – hell until this year NBADraft.net didn’t have analysis
by jemagee on Mar 31, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Monroe
I wouldn’t be so sour on Monroe for what the Sixers need.
Monroe can run the floor very well for a big and his passing ability doesn’t render him useless in an offense that is not centered around the Princeton.
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