Rumors: Andre/Amare swap?
by Jordan Sams on Feb 4, 2010 1:32 PM PST
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PrintChad Ford says the Suns and Sixers are discussing a deal involving Amare + Andre + Sammy.
The Suns are still in active trade talks for Amare, with discussions initiated by both the Suns and other teams. The latest is that the Suns have talked to the Philadelphia 76ers about a swap of Stoudemire plus filler for Andre Iguodala and Samuel Dalembert.
While there are a lot of deals the Suns wouldn't do, this is one in which they're interested. It's the Sixers that are holding up the process, I'm told. While nothing's imminent, if Philadelphia GM Ed Stefanski sees an opportunity to unload Dalembert and thinks Stoudemire is the best player he can get, things could get hot quickly.
But Amare might not want to come here.
Another twist: Stoudemire came out Wednesday claiming that he was leaning toward not exercising the early termination option on his contract. While he talked about the financial benefits of doing so (he's due $17.7 million next season in the final year of his contract), there's another reason Stoudemire went public about this: He wants some control over where he might be traded to. Philly -- a struggling team that sees Stoudemire as more an asset with a potentially expiring contract than as a cornerstone -- would likely be less interested if Stoudemire were planning to play out his contract. Therefore, when Stoudemire heard about the possible trade with the 76ers, he expressed his reservations about being traded to Philadelphia by going public with his musings about staying with his contract. In other words, he's sending a warning to teams that might see him as nothing more than an expiring contract.
Ford ranks Iguodala as the fifth likely player to be traded.
I've struggled to accept the idea that the 76ers would give away Iguodala, their best player, no matter how desperate they are to cut payroll. But in NBA front offices, the word is that he is very much available. Of course, Philly's hope is to get rid of the contract of Samuel Dalembert in such a deal.
A source told ESPN.com on Wednesday that the Houston Rockets have recently renewed discussions with the 76ers about a deal involving Iguodala and Dalembert for the expiring contract of Tracy McGrady. And as I reported above, the Suns have also entered the mix, offering Amare Stoudemire for Iguodala and Dalembert. The Cavs and Dallas Mavericks have explored Iguodala deals as well.
Slowing discussions at the moment is the fact that the Sixers really want to get some talent back in such a deal. The Rockets have players to offer, and the Suns might be willing to throw in Leandro Barbosa, I'm told.
So while the Sixers are motivated to move Iguodala, I think it's going to take more than an expiring contract to land him in the end.
And Dalembert as the tenth likely.
For the most part Dalembert has been paired with Andre Iguodala in trade talks with the Rockets, Suns and Mavs. But there is a fair share of interest in Dalembert himself. Yes, he is overpaid, but his contract expires in 2011, he is a defensive force and he can run the floor.
While his 15 percent trade kicker is a problem, expect interest to continue to grow. Sacramento might be at the front of the line, given its trade assets and need for a defensive center.
Here's a few excerpts from ESPN's Rumor Central:
ESPN's Chad Ford wrote today that the Sixers and Suns have discussed that packaged swap, and that the Suns are intriguied by it, more so than any other offers for Stoudemire.
Apparently the Suns like the Sixers offer.
The Sixers could receive Amare Stoudemire in return, though it's uncertain whether he'd want to re-sign with them or they want to re-sign him. If not, such a move would still clear cap space for them if Stoudemire opts out.
If the Sixers are thinking about trading for Amare just to let him walk, they should stop. Why not trade Andre and Sam for another expiring like Howard and at least get a couple picks or talent back?
...According to Ford, the Sixers are hot after [Amare] and are offering Andre Iguodala and Samuel Dalembert.
Seems like conflicting reports to me. One source says the Sixers are "hot after Amare" and the other says "it's the Sixers that are holding up the deal." Yet it sounds like Amare's the one holding up a deal?
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I still believe the sixers WANT Amare to opt out if they trade for him – so if he publicly said he’d opt out – they’d love it.
As for the sixers and ‘talent’ for Iguodala instead of just epxirings, we’ll see how that lasts as the 18th approaches
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 1:36 PM PST reply actions
After he heard the rumor he said he’s leaning towards not opting out.
Trading for Amare just as an expiring is stupid. Why not trade for Allen, T-Mac, Howard, or Z instead? The worse the player with the expiring contract is, the better chance you have of getting something else in return.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 4, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I don’t take anything a guy like this says.
Keep in mind, Amares current agent wasn’t his agent when he got his last deal, so to get any money from Amare the agent needs to maximize the money…the opt out is a bargaining ploy to force extension negotiations – yo u can extend him before the season ends once you obtain him.
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly why would Amare opt out next year? He would most likely not get $17.7 million in FA next year due to the talent out there.
Because a 5 year 70 million dollar deal (guaranteed) is worth more than a 1 year 17.7 million dollar if he blows out his knee or eye again :)
That’s why – sacrafic a few immediate dollars for more long term
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
plus if he doesn’t opt out there could be a chance that his new contract would be less than he could get this offseason – remember the CBA expires after next season and a hot issue is lowering how much guaranteed money free agents will be able to receive
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 4, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Oh – a lock out is coming – i expect the 11/12 season not to happen
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
BTW
The most important part of all these excerpts is Sam.
if the sixers can trade Sam for only expiring (yeah you sacramento) they don’t have to trade Iguodala and I hope that’s what they think too
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 2:01 PM PST reply actions
There is no CBA for the 11/12 season right now, no salary cap, there’s no way to project past the 10/11 season…trading sam gets the sixers under the tax for next year and doesn’t cost the teams best player.
It’s preferable to me.
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
“So while the Sixers are motivated to move Iguodala, I think it’s going to take more than an expiring contract to land him in the end.”
Please please please be true.
I take that to mean ‘Iguodala alone’ – if a team takes on Dalembert – the sixers are going to take much less because that’s a contract they’re motivated to get rid of.
I know it’s a nuance, but it’s the kind of nuance that matters in these things.
Iguodala is much more ‘valuable’ a trade package than Iguodala/Dalembert (or Iguodala/Brand) – so if they took just expirings and a low pick or a ‘reclamation’ project for the combo I wouldn’t be surprised
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly
Opting out would be prime for this deal. But I’d take amare at 17mil to get rid of Dalembert any day. I guess you could say I’m for blowing up the team, getting a top pick, pairing him with a top FA, and winning championships.
Yea well – comcast doesn’t want to pay amare 17 million next year
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
That's a solid point
and is definitely a reason this may not happen. That said, what I said before was my opinion, not Comcast’s.
I dont get it
Why would Amare say he might not opt out?
If you think about it, he would only be hurting himself. Hed be spending an extra year on a bad team and it would make him 1 year older when he hits the market.
You have to figure that teams will look at it like that and say, “If you dont opt out, well keep you on the bench for most of next year. Have fun finding a big contract after a year of not playing.”
This just makes him look like a stubborn, spiteful douchebag.
He’s just saying that so they wouldn’t trade him to a bad team. If he was traded to the Sixers, you could be your balls he’d opt out.
Exactly, and the Sixers and Suns have to know that, so Im not sure if its going to deter them from trading for him.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Trade Idea
I don’t see how this Suns trade makes sense for either team to be honest.
I’m a Celtics fan here and I was looking to get some Philly feedback on this trade proposal.
Link: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygfzu5k
BOSTON gets: Andre Iguodala, Lou Williams, Jason Kapono
PHILADELPHIA gets: Ray Allen, Eddie House, Brian Scalabrine
An extra $20 million off 76ers books for just this year. Let me know what you all think.
From the fans perspective, that would be an awful trade. We (the fans) dont want to trade Iggy for an EC, unless we get some crazy good young talent back (which you dont have). IMO, you have to take Brand with Iggy if all your giving back is an ECs.
That said though, the ownership REALLY wants to get under the cap though, so they might at least consider that.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
“…youre giving back is an ECs.”
“That said though, the ownership REALLY wants to get under the cap though…”
Grammer failings
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
New idea
What about this trade?
Link: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygll9en
BOSTON gets: Andre Iguodala, Elton Brand, Lou Williams
Philadelphia gets: Ray Allen, Rasheed Wallace, Eddie House
That’s saving Philly an absurd amount of money. What are your thoughts?
If I were the GM
Id be down. I wouldnt really want to deal Lou, but hes not important enough hold up a deal like that.
If you also included your first rounder for this year, I would say thank you by buying out Allen so he could go back to you guys on a vets minimum : ).
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
I’d deal lou in a heart beat – for a sack of doritos
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Since you did it to me…
A sack of Doritos? Who the hell says that? Its a bag of Doritos.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
I said sack, I meant sack, a bag of doritos is willie green, lou is worth more than willie, hence sack
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Well
Celts would send you that pick…but…Allen would be so pissed at the situation I doubt he’d do sign with us (he’d have to wait 30 days anyway).
Allen has said he wanted to finish his career in Boston but whooops there goes that…
So if Allen doesn’t wanna do this there’s no way we are sending you the pick.
Yeah, I thought about that after I posted. Im inclined to belive that hed understand that this move would help the Celts win a Championship, and therefore be ok with it, but I guess you never know.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Can we all agree that trading with the Celtics JUSt for expiring crap is the worst possible outcome?
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 3:58 PM PST reply actions
If they take Brand and all we get back is some short term contracts, I really dont care where he goes.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
I haven’t seen a single rumor from a reliable source (made up trades on sb nation don’t can’t) that even indicate anyone is willing to take on brand with iguodala for expiring contracts…
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
I thought you referring to the trade made by Push
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
I dismiss trades i think have 0% chance of happening in the real world – trade machines lead to a lot of asinine ideas that have no shot of happening.
Elton Brand is the most untradeable contract in basketball right now, it’s a consensus :)
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Haha
Right, forgot about your hatred of the trade machine.
My mistake.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t hate the trade machine in principle – I hate that people use it to put together trades that make no sense aside from WORKING in a trade machine – there’s no thought involved in how each team would react to it.
I use the trade machine when i put together the mavs trade i pimp out to see if it worked – but i believe it’s a trade that makes sense for the mavs and solves the sixers luxury tax problem.
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, the trade he made looks good from here, and if he wants to do it too, I dont think it makes ‘no sense’.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm
What else would you be trading for?
Any trade with Elton Brand or Sammy D is going to be FILLED with expiring crap.
Any trade with Iggy is going to be mostly expiring garbage too. At least Ray Allen is not expiring crap…he’s an expiring all star (in age and in contract).
Ray Allen is expiring crap – the eason the celtics would look to trade him is because of his contract, not because of his play on the court.
Ray Allen is not an all star any more (and hasn’t been for a year) – all he is is an expiring contract.
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
JJ Hixson
Leandro Barbosa
Jason Richardson
Any number of portland players
See how those are all more productive on the court than the tired broken down expiring contract of ray allen?
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
“Any trade with Iggy is going to be mostly expiring garbage too”
NOOOOOOOOO!!! Iggys contract is not bad, he has value, and if we deal only him we expect something with value in return.
The fact that he has a bad contract is simply false. This is because, 1) Iggy is NOT paid like a #1 scorer (look it up) and
2) even if he was, there is more to basketball than scoring. His contract is right in line with where it should be, and for this year and next, hes even a small bargin.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Leandro Barbosa and J Rich are not expiring contracts lol
Dunno about JJ
By the way…
Almost all Ray Allen rumors have not been released to any sources. Our GM never releases even a sentence about possible trades until they are done. He will deny trade talks until the two GMs shake hands.
I know they aren’t – remember the part where you said ‘what else would you be trading for’?
See how that works.
I really don’t care how Danny AInge does business, but if you think that Ray Allen is more than an expiring contract to any other team, you’re coming from a place of misinformation.
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
and...
Are you seriously comparing those guys to Ray Allen?
Ray Allen is struggling from 3, but he’s not a piece of trash. He’s probably the strongest expiring contract right now. J Rich, Barbosa, and JJ aren’t even CLOSE to Allen…
JJ Hickson is also not expiring (I just checked).
I understand none of them are expiring, but that wasn’t your question.
You feel ray allen has basketball value – then why would the celtics want to get rid of him.
I like this delusion of celtics fans, it makes the pending celticspocalypse even greater.
I just became a raptors fan for a half season
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
“celticspocalypse”? Maybe celtipocalypse? It flows better.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever, when they get the five seed this year i’m going to be rolling in laughter
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
This is from Tom Moore who is a beat writer for a local philly area paper
An NBA source said the Stoudemire for Iguodala/Dalembert rumor on ESPN.com is an "old story."
Not shocking, that’s kind of ESPN’s bit.
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:19 PM PST reply actions
Contracts
Iggy’s contract isn’t that good because it extends into the new CBA where salaries are going to be 30% off what they are now.
Plus it’s not about how good his contract is. It’s about Philly needing to get under the tax.
Nobody is going to take Brand or Sammy D alone. Not even close.
The Celtics will be fine. Ray Allen is mostly struggling because he’s playing 42 MPG in every close game because KG, Pierce, Glen Davis, and Marquis Daniels have all been hurt.
The reason we want to trade Ray Allen is because his contract means absolutely nothing to us since we can’t spend any money next year anyway. All the Ray trade ideas are complete trash. No Chicago or Kevin Martin deal is worth anything.
The only trade that makes any sense is Iggy (and a natural back-up PG) because he brings athleticism and rebounding the Celtics could use. Also we can use him as a starter for seasons to come. Ray Allen is not going to be good enough to start in 2 seasons.
Every other trade is a downgrade for this year.
Are you danny ainge? Cause you make excuses for RAY ALLEN BEING OLD as well as he does.
And your insight to the certainty of the CBA is amazing…there’s talk but discussions haven’t even started yet – what they’re doing now is called posturing.
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not trying to convince you lol. I’m not a GM and neither are you.
The only trade that would happen with Ray Allen is for Iggy and a back-up PG. We don’t care about our other expiring contracts.
Allen is leading the team in plus-minus per min this year and has lead every year with the Celtics. He was one of the best plus-minus players last year. His numbers are down because of our injuries we have no offense on the floor so Ray gets no space.
If you don’t believe me then just say you don’t want to do the trade, but Ray Allen is good value and he’s one of the best expiring contracts that has any chance of getting traded (sorry Ben16, no Lebron :D)
The only trade that would get done in the NBA with Ray Allen would be Ray + garbage for Iggy + point guard + garbage.
Ray Allen is an expiring contract…that’s why he has trade value…if he was still a good player the celtics wouldn’t want to move him
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
+/- is probably the most useless stat in sports.
Its almost as bad as saying that there were 127 HRs given up when Jayson Werth was playing RF.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
There are more useful versions of it – adjusted +/- and a whole bunch of other things.
But then again, I think per is stupid
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
I dont care how much you adjust it, its still a team stat being used to represent a player. Thats about as useful as Fabio Castro was to the 2006 Phillies.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Trade that works
Here is a trade that would get rid of Brand and Ivey and get us an expiring contract.
i’m a fan of trading with the mavs
howard, dampier, beaubois maybe a second rounder for iguodala and dalembert
Mavs aren’t giving up beaubois – he’s the J-Kidd replacement
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I know…it’s also why I think the ’DUST" think is ridiculous too – the mavs have nothing else to offer.
But remember, Sam has a ‘bad’ contract and a trade kicker…(trade kicker affect luxury tax according to tom moore), so if you’re giving up sam you’re really messing over a team with that damn trade kicker.
Dampier/Howard Iguodala/Dalembert is a trade I believe Cuban would jump on and the sixers would do if they can’t get a better offer because of the luxury tax.
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
It’s just WAY too far from the deadline for teams to be making their best offers and for ‘desperation’ to have set in with the sixers….i don’t expect anything really major to happen until after ASG weekend unless there’s some team just getting desperate to obtain iguodala
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
That depends I guess on why you think they’re making a trade
If they are trading to get under the luxury tax in 2011 – do those 4 wins in 5 games get them under?
If the motivation is luxury tax – the record is irrelevant
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
you think that was the plan all along? why they signed eddie jordan? and if there was any truth to the iguodala-to-blazers rumor i heard during SL?
REfresh about that Blazer rumor – i’m curios since they get mentioned.
Getting under the luxury tax in 2011? Yes I’m sure that was the plan all along – that’s why only a one year offer to miller – 2011 scared the crap out of them.
I don’t think brace face was expected to be THIS horrible
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
i’ll have to go back and find out exactly who was in the deal, but someone who was close to the blazers on draft night said there was talk of an iguodala trade.
and i meant they signed EJ cuz wash is paying his contract this year?
in hindsight, not too sure of the source, but it seems much more reasonable now than it did then. i’d probably do both now.
wow. youd do outlaw and blake for iggy? why?
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
See – there’s someone THINKING folks..THINKING
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
in the last year of his deal, maybe second to last year, depending on the new CBA.
He’s not getting younger
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Assuming the current CBA contiuned indefinately (ASSUME)
Using Sammy D as precedent, I think he would have to be in the last year of his deal.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 4, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Sam makes a lot less than Brand will in his last year :) (kicker aside)
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
If you had to make a move because of the luxury tax, which would you prefer:
Dampier + Howard for Dalembert + Iggy
Rasheed + Allen for Dalembert + Iggy
It saves Philly more money and Ray Allen is healthy and much better than Howard.
I’m surprised you’d rather do Dampier and Howard instead of dropping Brand’s contract in that trade I proposed before.
Well see – when I discuss fake trades I like a modicum of reality and no one wants to trade for Elton Brand
In the two deals you mentioned above, the players get to go to texas and play for the best owner in the game or they get exiled to boston and one of the most racist cities in the united states and have to endure tommy heinsohn and being a celtic…plus they play the sixers four times a year.
I love have you slid Rasheed Wallace in there – who is not an expiring contract.
And you keep saying ‘ray allen is a good player’ – he’s not – as far as the sixers are concerned he’s an expiring deal.
So in deal one they get ALL expiring deals, in deal 2 they get one and they have to pay rasheed wallace money – why would they want to do that?
The sixers want AMARE to opt out – and no offense to ray -a mare is better than ray
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Lol
You were the one who said JJ Hickson is better than Ray Allen.
getting sheed and his out of shape lazy game is something no team wants a part of – o yea he also has 2 years beyond this year… that trade would go against what sixers are trying to do
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 4, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
Hey guys!
I thought we had a deal! What is this Amar’’’’’’’’’’e nonsense? You would accept him as cap relief, even when he stated that he’s thinking about opting in? Would you be ok if he opted in?
he won’t – it’s all talk… you honestly think he’ll consider not opting out if he were on a bad team with the possibility he gets hurt/regresses the next season and the possibility of a lockout?
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 4, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
It's hard to tell, there are a lot of factors (economy, 2010 FA bonanza, health, quality of the team)
But my point is: Would you rather take Amare or Josh + pieces, or even Damp if Cuban decides to push the button? Amare without Nash to feed him?
An interesting idea for the Mavs to aquire Iggy would be the Mavs keeping Damp but taking Brand and sending Howard, Gooden, Carroll, maybe Barea or the right to a rookie, or cash.
Dallas would have to pay Brand a shitload of money, but at the same time they get rid of Carroll and Howard (Gooden has been a very pleasant surprise, so if Philly choses to cut him he could take the 30 day vacation and come back to big D).
not enough cap space coming off and not enough talent coming back in that deal – damp will have to be a part of it in my opinion if they want iguodala
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 4, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but consider the fact that we are taking Brand's John Holmes of a contract out of Comcast's ass
The Sixers save a lot of money anyway. Seriously, the worst contract you’d take is Carroll’s, which decreases every year. The rest are expirings. And you really think Barea, Gooden, Howard are not talented enough, when you flirted with the possibility of Knee-Mac? Come on.
I’m assuming you’re referring to Tracy McGrady (why is this so hard for people to understand). The sixers didn’t give a crap about McGrady’s game they cared about his expiring contract (as does any team trading for him, all the rest is just smoke and mirrors. So who is more ‘talented’ doesn’t matter.
And putting Elton Brand in a trade makes it a trade with 0 realism as it is the most untradeable contract in the game and everyone knows it.
If the sixers trade Iguodala for pure crap (like what you offered) it’ll include dalembert, and the easiest deal is Dampier and Howard who both expire this year…when mavs fans stop deluding themselves about ‘DUST’, we’ll all be much happier
Funny thing is is that ‘dust’ would actually have value to the sixers because they can offer young talent and or picks of some value in a sign and trade whereas the mavs can offer, well, nothing
by jemagee on Feb 4, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
not enough talent coming back in that deal
You were the one talking about talent. But then you apparently changed your mind:
So who is more ‘talented’ doesn’t matter.
Make up your mind. The Mavs are willing to pay the salaries of the players that the Sixers consider over-paid to have a better chance of getting past LA in the playoffs, and they can offer Philly a lot of cap relief plus some talent. The Mavs keeping Damp would mean a shot at a big FA even if it’s a highly unlikely possibility (I think it’s a pipe-dream, but Cuban disagrees with me), but it would also mean cap flexibility for taking on such loaded contracts.
I would give you Damp, but would Cuban? That is the question. He’s the one who writes the checks.
Hate to wreck the party
But I find it somewhat silly and boring to make all this speculation. Let’s wait until something happens, I say, and evaluate then.
I think we all agree that we don’t want to see anyone dealt for crap, Dalembert’s contract is terrible, Iguodala is the only piece the Sixers can offer that anyone actually wants, cap space is important, and we’d like to see some young talent in return. What else is there to discuss? Possible trades are only relevant for the GMs. Then we can talk about how we think it’ll affect the team.
Personallly would rather see the Ed's gone first
But if they had to do a trade, the only one I’d consider is what Sixerfan1976 mentioned is being discussed with Dallas. He’s a “insider” with very debatable credibility.
dallas basically doesnt have a young player they would move(like Rod beaubois who is offlimits)..so they are debating taking on iguodala and brand together to make something work…we would dump all our long term salaries in that case.…
I don’t want to deal away Iguodala and keep Brand. That only makes rebuilding harder. But I would definitely consider getting rid of Brand and Iguodala in the same deal, even if we got nothing back (I’d even take 5M of bad long-term contract back.)
That would mean by summer ‘11 the biggest remaining contract would be Lou at 6M. They would have a big hole to climb out of (and need to land a superstar in the lottery to rebuild around) but at least they would not have any dead weight and still have a bunch of young players. Much preferable to carrying Brand’s growing contract for another 3.5 years- and I’m sure Brand would like a shot to help a winner.
http://www.phillyarena.com - Philly sports forum/blog
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=978960&start=735#p22199488
http://www.phillyarena.com - Philly sports forum/blog
im all for this trade. get rid of the attached contracts and add a center like Stoudemire. Now all we’d need is a shooter
i love this trade too, as long as we get barbosa with amare…. sammy and iggy for amare and barbosa sounds good to me
by mkellyrutgers on Feb 5, 2010 6:43 AM PST up reply actions
I must be missing something...
What, over the last 10 years, has given us any indication that the Sixers brass would be able to rebuild this team into a contender if they decided to blow it up? It seems like the management has gone in 3 different directions over the course of 4-years, which has essentially led us in circles of mediocrity…
Honestly, until both Ed’s are gone and Comcast decides to spend some money and take some risks, I think we’ll be having these same discussions 10 years from now.
by SexualTyrannosaurus on Feb 5, 2010 10:27 AM PST reply actions
I think Comcast will be willing to spend once the economy gets better, but you’re right about E and E.
I think comcast is waiting out the new CBA (and economy) and the fall out from a major acquisition involving NBC Universal before they decide the future of their sports franchises.
As we discussed previously, in terms of ‘relevance’ compared to the bulk of comcast business, the sixers (and flyers) are merely drops in the bucket – so i don’t know that they’ll change what’s going on with anything until the big dogs (the recession and the nbc universal purchase) settle down
by jemagee on Feb 5, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
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