Sixers Trade for Jodie Meeks
by Jordan Sams on Feb 18, 2010 9:56 AM PST
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PrintUpdate (12:58AM EST): Chad Ford tweets ...
My source had dyslexia ... Sixers sending second rounder to Milwaukee not Bucks sending second rounder to Sixers.
Not such a steal after all ...
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Chad Ford tweets:
Not that many care ... but Sixers-Bucks deal of Meeks-Elson-2nd rounder for Brezec & Ivey is agreed to. Waiting for trade call.
This isn't the trade I had in mind for the Sixers, but I actually like it -- in a "heh" kind of way.
Elson has an expir ing contract worth 1.7 million, and Jodie Meeks has three years remaining worth a little less than 3 million. Neither one is going to hurt the Sixers financially.
Royal Ivey and Primoz Brezec are both terrible, and have no real future with the team. The Bucks only want them because of their expiring contracts.
If the Bucks throw in a 2nd round pick and I take it as a low-risk, medium-reward transaction for the Sixers.
I saw Meeks at the Summer League and have been a fan of him since college. He's an undersized shooting guard who put up some gaudy numbers at Kentucky. (24 points, 3 rebounds, 1 steal, 46%, 40% from three, and 90% from the line.) However; he's struggled to adjust to the NBA game thus far shooting 36% from the field, 26% from three and 86% from the line in only 11 minutes per this year.
78% of Meeks shots have been jump shots and his eFG% on them is 40%. 90% of them have been assisted, so he hasn't created his own shot very often.
His offensive rating on the year is a terrible 91, but his defensive rating is 105. Take it for what it's worth, but 105 is a better rating than both Jrue Holiday (109) and Andre Iguodala (107). However; the Bucks defensive rating with Meeks on the floor is 106, and improves to 104 when he's off the court. Individual defense is hard to evaluate, but the numbers say Meeks is a pretty good defender.
The Sixers are getting a guy in Meeks, who the numbers say is a pretty good defender, and has shown he can be a lights out shooter in college and the Summer League. He's cheap and Stefasnki didn't have to give up too much to get him.
I think it's a solid trade for the Sixers.
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It comes down to Stefanski thinking Meeks is a better player than we’re going to get the 2nd round this year?
by Jordan Sams on Feb 18, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
i don’t like giving up the second rounder – especially since i have many allegiances there
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 18, 2010 10:13 AM PST reply actions
What’s the phone number to reserve playoff tickets?
by andyreidswaistline on Feb 18, 2010 10:20 AM PST reply actions
Easy, don't hurt yourself Eddie.
Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.
It’s a pointless trade, and what meeks does is shoot (and miss) and do very little else
Why do the sixers need another willie green?
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 10:43 AM PST reply actions
He’s a pretty solid defender. He has the same number of defensive win shares as Jrue in half the minutes.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 18, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Both of them suffer from small sample size in terms of these numbers – if he’s played half the minutes then it’s more unbalanced, and minimal good performances have greater impact…
This is really a pointless trade :)
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Meeks is a nice project. Numbers say solid defender and he’s shown he can shoot on occasion. He has a really smooth stroke — that I know.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 18, 2010 11:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yep
I agree, solid trade.
Ivey and Brezec wouldn’t be on this team after this year anyways, so why not bring in a young guy who can potentially become one of the core members.
by guitarmouse35 on Feb 18, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
we actually adding a little salary for nextyear with that deal..me thinks we are trying to get one more done today..but not a big one.
From jordans favorite source
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 10:45 AM PST reply actions
As much as royal ivey was useless – there is now only one actual point guard on the sixers roster.
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 11:26 AM PST reply actions
Somehow the bobcats got tyrus thomas for acie law and flip murray
Tyrus Thomas value was Acie Law and Flip Murray?
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 11:31 AM PST reply actions
Anyone seen the protection yet?
The sixers could have given up willie green (or lou williams) and some useless rookie (jason smith) contract and a protected first for ty thomas couldn’t they?
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Would you have wanted to trade Lou, Jason and a 1st rounder for Tyrus Thomas? I think that’d be a terrible trade.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 18, 2010 11:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well I’d trade lou for a box of peanuts
I think Tyrus Thomas is better than Jason Smith
and depending on the protections of the first – yes i would
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Jason Smith is terrible
Lou Williams is terrible (and grossly over paid – flip murray only makes 1.9 million this year)
And a top 20 protected pick isn’t that great a pick
I’m not sure why taking a shot at tyrus thomas isn’t worth giving up an undersized shooting guard and a dought defensive liability that sixer fans seem to love mostly because he’s white.
Hell – I’d take back kirk hinrich if they’d take lou off the sixers hands
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
the protected first eventually goes down, so since we wont be finishing in the top 10 any time soon, that pick would end up being 10-15, and I value that a lot more than you do. While I don’t like Lou Williams, he has more value than being tossed in with a first round pick for a guy that plays bench minutes in Chicago, and hasn’t shown me anything.
And obviously the Jason Smith part was not something i had a problem with.
by Michael Levin on Feb 18, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure why you think Lou is terrible and grossly-overpaid. Dude’s a young, good scorer off the bench. Yeah, he’s one dimensional, but he’s good in his role.
Just like you tell me with Iguodala, don’t expect him to be something he’s not.
I agree with Mike Bourn on this one.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 18, 2010 12:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He’s fungible – he’s easily replaceable – guys like him (and willie) should not have long term deals – they’re freaking eddie house without the 3point range – you don’t give eddie house a long term deal.
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Lou Williams is definitely not “grossly overpaid”. His contract is not that bad at all…he is a good scorer off the bench and a defensive liability. He is what he is but I would not just through him in that deal for Tyrus Thomas…
Tell me how he’s any better than eddie house who at least hits some threes
Eddie house doesn’t get long term deals
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
All Eddie House does is shoot. He’s a bad defender. He doesn’t create for anyone else. He doesn’t get to the line. He can’t handle the ball. He’s a terrible point guard. He’s 30+ years old. Lou’s and House’s eFG% is pretty close. Lou creates for others more. Lou creates for himself a hell of a lot more. He can handle the ball. He’s young. He has more potential. He draws fouls. As bad of a PG as he is, he’s better than House.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 18, 2010 12:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
ALl Lou williams or willie green do is shoot…
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Lou Will is so much better than house. At least he can dribble up and down the court, unlike House who has the worst handles of any guard I have ever seen.
House can shoot the three – he’s a 2 guard – he’s not supposed to have handles as much as be able to shoot from distance
Lou can’t shoot from distance
I’d rather have a guy on the sixers who can shoot threes with weak handles than a midget shooting guard with handles (but weak court vision and an aversion to passing) who can’t shoot 3’s
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
lou isn’t extremely consistent shooting but he can catch heat and hit a lot of shots all at once, and he certainly drives to the hoop way better than house and sets up other players better as well.
“Catch heat and hit a lot of shots at once”
So can willie green – so what?
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
I never thought of him as a back up
and he’s on the knicks now
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
PG
He’s as much of a point guard as Willie Green
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Bottom line is
they’re both replaceable; Lou doesn’t deserve a long-term contract.
by guitarmouse35 on Feb 18, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
and that’s my point – he’s over paid – cause guys like him shoudln’t get long term contracts except from stupid GMs
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
All he did up to that point for the team was score; I don’t know what made them think he’d develope other aspects of his game, but he didn’t. Poor GM decision.
by guitarmouse35 on Feb 18, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Overpaid?
According to Bill Simmons from ESPN, Lou has the fifth best contract. I do not know if it is that good, but it is far from bad. Would you be able to replace him at a cheaper cost?
For less amount of seasons – yes
I have never considered Bill Simmons anything more than a columinst, not an analyst, a columnist, he has opinions but I don’t find him expert on anything but boston sports, and gambling on football
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Mannix says Philly’s done.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 18, 2010 11:51 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Tom Moore says this
Checking into reports that Sixers trying to deal Kapono for an expiring to clear out $6.6 million next year. Would probably have to send a pick along, too, if they can find a taker.
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 11:52 AM PST reply actions
look at all these trades happening today. sixers get left out. they made a pointless trade and that’s it. im pretty disappointed.
The sixers were left out by choice because they over value Iguodala and Dalembert and their prospects and misunderstand how the NBA works…this is a failing of the GM that is at it’s core evidence that he’s over matched as an NBA GM.
If reports that Thad and Speights were ‘untouchable’ in trades are true – it’s beyond belief.
That’s how I see it
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Well. I like that at least were getting younger by picking up Meeks, who I think could be a solid 6th man one day, but I can’t express my disappointment about the shitty decision making by the FO. We’re gonna be bad for a long, long time. I also miss that second round pick. But this may be the year that we cash in on the second round pick we were supposed to get from Utah for the Kyrylo Fesenko deal. Or maybe that pick disappeared.
Technically both lou and willie are injured aren’t thaty?
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Lou actually just returned to practice this morning.
by guitarmouse35 on Feb 18, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
We know what it’s like to be on the sixers now – win absoultely nothing
But not paid as ‘well’
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Hey – at least pitchers and catchers report this week and most people on this board are fans of a good team with a serious shot at the world series (unfrotunately for jordan – his team stinks and is run by a buffoon who makes stefanski look brilliant)
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 12:28 PM PST reply actions
I kinda like this trade, Jodie Meeks is good shooter who may be able to fit in off the bench as a 2. He knows how to get to the foul line and is consistent from the stripe. I don’t like the fact that Stefanski gave up a 2nd round pick, the Sixers could use as much incoming talent as possible this off-season & unless the get some key FAs or essentially trade money to get back into the 2nd round they’re going to suck again next year. Right now we’re looking at a bubble situation once again in the 2nd half of the season. Maybe the last playoff seed just to be knocked off by the Cavs in the 1st round & no lottery pick, essentially a turd season. I was hoping on the Iggy/Dalembert for Stoudemire/Barbosa/2nd, but it obviously fell through. Now for the Sixers, they might as well look forward to free agency this off-season. Oh, but first they must fire Eddie Jordan. Man, he sucks. Him & his whole Princeton offense is a complete sham. They played better at the end of last season under Tony DiLeo without Brand when they were a running team. Given that was with Andre Miller who is the most underrated player in the NBA. But as far as this trade goes, I’d give it a B-.
I like it too.
What’s something we haven’t had since Korver? A very good free throw shooter who can put games away.
by guitarmouse35 on Feb 18, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Has anyone LOOKS at Meeks numbers in the NBA this year?
Seriously folks -
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Meeks is a rookie & he has ability, but he would’ve most definitely helped himself by staying at Kentucky for another season. Imagine KU with Wall, Meeks & Cousins. Look at his college #s too. You cant judge his NBA future on half of his 1st season in the league.
Meeks put up numbers on a horrible Kentucky team. Wall and Cousins lead a top 5 team. Sort of like comparing numbers put up at Lasalle versus Nova, becasue Kentucky is a completely different program now.
http://www.phillyarena.com - Philly sports forum/blog
And yet – knowing they’re coming in – he still left early so he could be a second round draft pick in the NBA.
I wonder why that was
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Meeks would have been a bench player for that team… or transfered.
Kentucky is a completely different program under Pitino. Again, like comparing a year at Lasalle to a year at Nova. Apples and oranges.
http://www.phillyarena.com - Philly sports forum/blog
Calipari*
But I agree with you, there was a reason Meeks left. He saw the talent coming in and he figured he would have a better chance of getting drafted coming off a 24 point per game season than he would be the fifth option this season.
And you can’t judge an nba future by ONE good season on a crappy kentucky team after TWO bad seasons at a UK team.
Seriousliy – this guy was a second round pick who couldn’t pull minutes on the bucks – i’m not sure why people think he’s relevant.
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
He's an .857 FT%
Obviously not as good as Korver, but it’s his rookie year.
by guitarmouse35 on Feb 18, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Im still pissed over the Reggie Evans for Jason Kapono trade. Evans was such a big part of the defense.
If you loved his offensive rebounding – i could understand that – he was good at that – but he sucked at everything else.
But he gave ‘effort’ and he ‘tried real hard’ and he was ‘gritty’ – philadlephia fans are ignorantly programmed to love such players even if they just SUCK…is kapono and improvement? Of course not – but evans sucks too
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
I would have just given Morris Almond a 10 day contract
Early 2nd round picks are MORE valuable than late 1st round picks. No reason to give one away, when a better player is in the NBDL.
Many of us wanted the Sixers to get DeAndre Jordan in the 2nd round 2 years ago and Buddinger last year. Both times the Sixers could not because they did not have a 2nd rounder to get the deal done.
The nmeeks move was a small one, but a stupid one. The guy was goiong to be cut by the end of the season anyway, and as i said, they could have signed Almond, who averages 28 ppg and great 3 pt shooting in the NBDL.
http://www.phillyarena.com - Philly sports forum/blog
All very sensical things. I value the NBDL more than I should but solid bench players can be had for the cheap if built on the right team. Trading away second round picks may not seem like a huge deal, but it saves paying guys like Jason Kapono 6 million to sit on the bench and not play D.
by Michael Levin on Feb 18, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
Ronnie Brewer to Memphis for a first round pick
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 1:29 PM PST reply actions
OH SNAP!
Meeks!? CHAMPIONSHIP?!
….man, a tough day in lab and I come back to this. hooray
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
John Hollinger called Brezec the worst player in the league do you guys agree or is there someone worst you can think of?
Eddy Curry?
He’s stealing WAY more money then primoz
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
agreed, why we offered him a contract makes no sense to me.
I’d rather have http://www.nba.com/playerfile/darryl_watkins/ and he is not my favorite player by a longshot (actually he bothers me)
Ha, just listening to Ed S on the radio, trying to make sense out of this hahaha
He said, “we looked for some major talent who could help our team now and in the long run. But there were none, so we went this route.” Hey thats great, u didnt find any “major talent” but u also gave away a second round draft pick knowing that u NEED some more talent to be a shadow of a contender hahaha. Hilarious
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
I didnt mind NOT making a big trade..
but I dont like giving up a high round draft pick (s) for a bench player (s). Give up bench players and a second round pick for MORE bench players is crazy..again Hilarious. It is what it iz. If u couldnt find talent then why even give away a high round pick. We could use all the pick we can get to ADD talent! Haha Wow
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
I just wrote something
http://www.libertyballers.com/2010/2/18/1316849/post-trade-deadline-post-mortem
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
If one takes the time to parse out what he meant – yes
The sixers 2nd round pick is most likely in the top 10 of the second round and is thus a high second round pick and since low firsts get guaranteed contracts and high seconds don’t – high seconds can sometimes have more value because of the low success rate and lack of guaranteedness
by jemagee on Feb 18, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks man...I was hoping that someone understood what I was talking about
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Yezzer
high seconds can sometimes have more value because of the low success rate and lack of guaranteedness
true true..more times than not!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
meeks
anyone who thinks that meeks is gonna develop more to his game is missing that fact that he is already 22 the dude is only 10 months younger then lou will and he has been in the league for 4 years. so just like lou has not developed much especially compared to what was expected it is difficult to imagine meeks doing any better. and the fact that he is a good free throw shooter is ridiculous he has shot 21 ft this year making 18 sure this is in only 12 minutes a game but unless half the team gets hurt his minutes are gonna stay around there so it seems like we took on some salary to add a guy that makes half a free throw a game. im not saying the trade sucked but it doesnt really give us much
No one things the trade is giving us much. But I’d rather have Meeks than Brezec and Ivey, and if this is the year we get utah’s 2nd rounder, than this is fine. Getting younger, even at the end of the bench, is an improvement, albeit miniscule. It’s possible he could become a Deshawn Stevenson type, and while he’s not close to a great player, he’s solid off the bench and better than what we gave up.
by Michael Levin on Feb 19, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
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