Sixers Rumors: Passed on Beasley?
by Jordan Sams on Feb 15, 2010 10:22 AM PST
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Straight from ESPN's Rumor Central:
Here's the latest from ESPN the Magazine's Ric Bucher: "Michael Beasley's collegiate career and NBA stats would suggest an up-and-coming star; combined with his rookie contract in these harsh economic times, all that should make him irresistible to any team looking to move an established, expensive star for a less-expensive future one. But the latest evidence that an overwhelming majority of the league's decision-makers see him as more flash than substance is reflected in a proposed three-way trade whose principle parts were 76ers F Andre Iguodala, Suns F Amare Stoudemire and the Heat's Beasley.
"While other pieces would've had to be included, the trade essentially would've sent Beasley to Philadelphia, Iguodala to Phoenix and Stoudemire to Miami. The deal broke down, sources say, because Philadelphia wasn't overwhelmed by the prospect of rebuilding around Beasley.
I'm not crazy about Beasley, but he'd be an interesting asset. He doesn't have a ridiculous contract yet, and he'd essentially have a 3-year audition with the Sixers before they had to make a decision on re-signing him. He has all the talent in the world, and he's super-young, but he's had some serious red flags already.
Glad Stefanski passed.
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glad they passed – especially since ridding themselves of dalembert or brand wasn’t mentioned
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 15, 2010 10:31 AM PST reply actions
“while other pieces would have been included”
I’m assuming that’s Dalembert and other pieces from Phoenix or Miami just to make the money right.
having dalembert in there is not money reasons – the sixers don’t want to give up iguodala if dalembert/brand are not included
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 15, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
i disagree.
we could have opened up cap space and gotten a talented young player in return? isn’t this what we were looking for? I really wish i could see the other details of the deal. Who else would we have had to take? Would Dalembert be gone too? Would we have gotten expiring contracts along with Beasely? What if we would have been trading Speights as well? I would much rather have Beasely than Speights. He has more range and can has the potential to play the 3 or the 4. He’s head and shoulders a better prospect than any player we have. Why not take him if we could free up cap space in the process?
Beasley isn’t on Darko level (yet) but he’s already seen as quite a bust of a second pick in the draft…he’s a tweener, with emotional/personality issues and a questionable work ethic.
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
cmon son
he isn’t even CLOSE to darko. Darko didn’t have the athletic ability to play in this league. Guarantee he makes a couple all star teams before his career is over. One year of college, this kid still has HUGE upside. If he ever puts down the blunts and clears his mind he will be a factor on a winning team.
Darko had hype
Beasley had hype
Darko was considered kind of a bust after his second year
No one wants Michael Beasley – not even the team who drafted him
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
darko didn't even sniff the floor in his career
you can’t compare the two at all.
All high draft picks have hype. that’s why theyre high draft picks.
Some of them live up to them and some of them don’t.
No one wants Michael Beasley – nothing personal – but I’m going to trust NBA talent evaluators over you.
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
and
that’s really solid for someone who could be a junior in college right now.
If only there were more intelligent ways to analyze a player aside from his PPG and rebounds.
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
COMPLETELY AGREE
He is 3 years removed from high school.
While packimop seems to really love his upside – it’s a much better position than already dumping on a kid who just turned 21 last month.
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Honestly, I’d rather have Speights all things considered.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 15, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
no way, not even close to the versatility that Beasely has. More range, better off the dribble, can play two positions, better athlete. Speights will be forever stuck as a PF in this league.
Can’t play two positions
Too small to be a PF too slow to be a SF
He’s a tweener and he’s already having personal issues – Wade wants him gone.
Andre Iguodala CAN play 3 position s(so can evan turner folks, dudes running point for OSU and has excellent court vision), Beasley can’t fit in either
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
too slow for a sf?
have you ever even watched him play? did you see the rookie sophomore game? he can run the floor
wade never said he wants him gone
he said he just wants better players and a better coach. i’m not saying he’s a superstar, but he’s already a solid role player that will see much more of the floor than any prospect we have, giving him more opportunities to develop
He wants better players
which means he doesn’t think the players on his roster are good enough
You need everything spelled out for you?
If the heat are ACTIVELY shopping Beasley it’s probably because wade doesn’t like him or they’d keep him
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
or because
they know they have nothing else to offer in a trade, and while beasely is a good prospect and solid role player right now, he’s not enough to keep Wade in South Beach.
why is it a bad thing that a guy plays one position?
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 15, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
it's not
its just a question of versatility
i’d rather have a guy that can excel at one position than one who doesn’t fit at 2 but can get by – i’ll take production over minor versatility any day
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 15, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Holiday
Iguodala
Brand
Or haven’t you been paying attention?
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
brand plays center too. I wouldn’t say with his limited minutes that Holiday gives significant production. Doesn’t play in the second half.
Haven’t you?
You’re just making stuff up now aren’t you?
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
A player can be productive in limited minutes especially when his coach is a moron.
But since you’ve demonstrated you can’t see beyond the ppg and rpg numbers why bother continuing discussion with you?
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
it’s called the future and development not currently – if speights puts in the work to play defense/rebound he will be there
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 15, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
His lateral movement ( like his height) is limited by the limitations of his body
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
no it isn't
a player can improve lateral movement with drills and work on footwork. also can study tape/tendencies to see what certain players do best, then adjust defensively to be able to move as the offensive player moves.
Um, hes 21, so he could get taller. Probably not, but a good amount of guys are still growing at that age.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 15, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, most men stop growing by 18, maybe 19….in general the majority of men stop growing by 19…so not sure what a ‘good amount’ is – but a quick look doesn’t exactly give me a percentage…but say it’s 10-15% – that’s not a ‘good amount’ to me
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Speights at least has the right size and a natural position…and as far as I’m concerned, more UPSIDE if he can develop a work ethic
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
hate to break it to you...
but the only reason you think speights has such upside as a PF is because he can hit a jumpshot. that’s the only thing that makes him different than any other solid athlete that plays the 4.
So now you know how I think do you?
I’m not even sure you know how to
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
oh i pay attention
to all your little critical comments all over the place. and i know that you think speights is such a great prospect because he can hit a jumpshot. and i also know that you never consider any other person’s opinions but your own.
You’re wrong – on both counts.
I like speights for his ability to post up more than anything else, he’s a natural big man with amazing upside if he develops a work ethic.
I think you’ve confused me with Ricko.
And I do consider other peoples opinions, as long as they present a cogent coherent argument with some intellience.
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
He’s also a second year player who left college early and I like him better than Beasley
You’ve presented no intelligent cogent argument to dissuade me from this preference, and that’s even before we get into the attidue/emotional problems that Beasley already has demonstrated that the Heat tried to cover up (IMO) with rehab
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
beasely has already shown that he can play solid basketball for 30MPG, Speights has not shown that yet…
and does it seem like Speight’s attitude is great? He doesn’t seem very emotional on the court, doesn’t ever really seemed determined to play hard unless he’s making multiple jump shots first to get him going.
The Heat are terrible, who exactly would they give their minutes to if they benched him.
Both Iguodala and Brand would swallow most of his minutes in Philadlephia.
His minutes are more a product of a crappy roster than ability in my opinion
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
that's true
but with how bad the 6ers are, you figure that Speights would be able to earn his way onto the court before Thad playing the 4. If I was the coach of the 6ers I would be looking for excuses to put Speights in the game to further his development. At least if he saw the floor you could point out his flaws more often going over tape. Maybe that would help his motivation to get better?
I had a dream last night, Sam Dalembert is in OKC and the sixers get Etan Thomas and one other player (whose name I forget) back
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 10:51 AM PST reply actions
etan and the suns first rounder. let’s do it.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 15, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I can see this trade: Dalembert for Etan Thomas, contract of Matt Harping, and two 2nd round picks that Minnesota owes tham
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
i just think
that beasely is better than any other prospect we have right now or could get with a late first round pick, and if we could have dumped salary and goten beasely back in return? it’s better than getting barbosa in my opinion. If we think that Thad Young isn’t going to turn into anything great, why not try Beasely? He seems like the same caliber type player, but Beasely has much better handles and a better jumpshot.
I think Thad and Beasley are very, very similar. Thad put up similar numbers last year (also his second year), and we all know he’s not an all-world prospect.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 15, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
so what would you want in return?
for dalembert and iguodala? I think that this was the best offer to get a good prospect and get cap space. Would you rather have a late first round pick?
I’d want expiring, a pick, and a cheaper prospect. Beasley’s young, but he’s owed 20 million over the next three years. And I feel Thad and Beasley are almost exactly the same — from their games to their ages. The difference is, Thad doesn’t have a drug history.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 15, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
i think it’s pretty clear that the 6ers and in no position to negotiate for a pick and a cheaper prospect. we’ve scared everyone else off with our demands, and now Iggy probably won’t get moved. See you in the playoffs.
I’d rather have Big Z’s expiring than Beasley. If we traded Iguodala for Beasley, how would that help?
by Jordan Sams on Feb 15, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
oh yea of course me too
but it doesn’t seem like that’s going to get done. All espn has been talking about is a trade between PHX and CLE. I just think we completely missed the boat on the trade opportunity to PHX or HOU. I seriously hope I’m wrong because if we got Hickson and Z’s contract i would take that in a second.
unless houston
would be willing to part with brooks. i love the way he plays.
Anyone with ESPN Insider who can take a look at if Chad Fords new article today had anything new to say?
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 11:21 AM PST reply actions
Right now the Sixers are a difficult team to peg, with a number of teams saying that Philly general manager Ed Stefanski has been vague in trade talks.
But with a payroll bloated by huge contracts for Iguodala, Samuel Dalembert and Elton Brand, the 76ers appear to be willing to move a cornerstone piece, Iguodala, provided they can move Dalembert (and his contract) in the same trade. But they also want young assets in return, which has thwarted trade talks so far, particularly with Houston and Phoenix.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 15, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
so you'd rather stand pat
and keep the bad contracts and losing team that we have? I’d rather just go young at this point.
This move is the ultimate desperation move. Beasley sucks, I don’t know why you think it is worth it for the Sixers to acquire him. Plenty of other people have explained this to you above as well.
i never said he was a superstart
but he certainly doesn’t “suck”. give me a better trade and i’ll take a better trade. I just don’t want to see the same product for another year, and I’d rather have beasely and a top 5 pick than another year of Iguodala and Dalembert.
You don’t make a move JUST to make a move – if the best offer is the heat offer or the crap from the suns – that doesn’t improve the sixers…the reason they are getting crap offers is because teams think they HAVE to make a move…if you can’t walk away you’re in an awful negotiating position.
The upcoming off season, lots of teams have cap room but lots of teams are going to MISS on what they target, and then you can shop Iguodala all over again with less time constraints and possibly more interested parties.
The sixers have to make the RIGHT deal, not just ANY deal, it’s the desperation that causes bad deals to be made.
If the Suns have decied they HAVE to trade Amare, then they’ll be violated, if the sixers are willing to step back if they don’t htink they’re getting an offer that helps them at all (like the over rated beasley) that’s better than what kerr is doing
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 12:28 PM PST reply actions
The sixers are currently closer to the 14 seed in the east than they are the 8 seed, I’m not sure why everyone just assumes a late season push for this roster with this coach…he coached badly, even with the 5 game win streak, and he continues to give away games that should be wins. Assuming he isn’t fired, there’s no reason to believe he’s going to be a better coach in the second half than he was the first.
The ‘18th’ pick is most likely the 5th seed in the east…which the sixers are currently 9 games behind.
“better get a trade done’ is the kind of thinking that gets teams in trouble…fans have no patience, fans want to see ‘something’ done when nothing might be the right thing to do, however that’s when organizations get in trouble, when they’re stupid, when they’re motivated by the incorrect things (which the sixers might be) and when they late fan discontent overwhelm common sense.
I’m not saying whether the sixers are right or wrong right now but they don’t HAVE to do anything if they don’t get a good offer – it’s a asinine way to go into negotiations that you HAVE to do something.
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 12:37 PM PST reply actions
i've been patient
they signed brand. i wasn’t happy then, i’m not happy now. My patience is warring and so is the city’s. Haven’t been happy for about 6 years.
No offense to the fans – but making moves motivated by fan displeasure is an asinine way to run a basketball franchise.
Philadelphia sports fans, as a whole, the loudest portion tends to be the least educated, you know, like booing the drafting of McNabb or advocating gettting rid of him the moment Kolb was drafted….or loving a guy like Aaron Rowand and thinking the phils should give him a long term deal…or missing Reggie Evans cause they think he’s so damn good.
I’ll take you at your word that you were unhappy with the brand signing, but
A. that makes you in a vast silent minority that only pipes up after the deal didn’t work
B. Josh Smith WAS NOT a viable option (just saying, it’s a tiresome bull argument I’m tired of people spewing if you want to say ‘the sixers should have signed josh smith instead’)
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Since you seemingly know everything about the NBA (and how I think)
How would you advise the sixers to have spent the money in that off season when they spent it on Brand.
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
i don't exactly remember the free agent market
but i didn’t want brand.
If only there were a way to figure out who the free agents were that off season
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
go ahead look it up
ill honestly tell you what i would have done
You’re the one (the only one it seems) who claims to have known that Brand was a bad signing.
You know better, you’ve made that clear, than the sixers, everyone who was in favor of the signing, and most physical therapists.
So you have an opinion but have no desire to support it.
That’s fine
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
i didn't KNOW
i never said i knew. i just said i wasn’t in favor of the signing because i thought he could be injury prone.
considering the field of 2008 free agents
i probably would have passed on signing a PF to a major free agent deal, but I can’t honestly fault the sixers front office for wanting to sign brand. I just think that it was a mistake to sign a long term deal to a player that was recently injured. They thought he was going to turn them into a contender, and he very well could have if he was healthy, but my max offer to Brand would have been 3 years 42 mil.
ANd how would you and all those other ‘philadelphia’ fans have felt when the sixers signed no one and then that cap space just vanished (as it would have due to Iguodala and Williams hitting free agency)
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn’t attacking you mr sensitive
I was attacking a fanbase, that in general (the city of Philadelphia) tends to be as a whole, ignorant and uninformed.
You brought ‘the city’ into it, you aligned yourself with them…it can’t be helped that you aligned yourself with a group that thinks Howard Eskin is erudite and informed
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Why would you not be happy about the Sixers acquiring a dominant 20 and 10 big man, like everyone else at the time was? This post is calling yourself stupid, not making you look very smart.
because he already had an injury history
and i’m never a proponent of signing players with an injury history unless they have two years without any major injuries to the lower body
One injury and now he has a major injury history? You are claiming after the fact that you know all along that the Brand signing was no a smart one…either you were not very smart back then or lying now.
or lucky in guessing that he wouldn't last
but i don’t even think he’s the problem. he’s honestly playing really good basketball right now, the contract is just too big.
It was definitely that lower body injury that cost Brand last year right? Nothing to do with a separated shoulder / freak injury.
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
So what? He was playing back into game shape and he probably needed 20-30 games to do that but he injured his shoulder.
You now can predict injuries.
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
True, but it has nothing to do with his lower body…are we changing your rules as we go along? Just wanna know
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
and i consider major injuries anything more than a sprain that keeps you out for months at a time. so i guess it’s not really major
Well if we’re going to make up our own rules for things, I consider any player making more than 5 million dollars a year over paid, any player who shoots less than 45% is a terrible player.
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Either you knew it was going to happen
you got lucky
or you’re psychic
which is it?
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
My dream was wrong – sigh
There’s no deal to be made with the thunder around sam and etan thomas
Phooey
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 12:55 PM PST reply actions
Somebody at the OKC blog did this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylo2eof
Too complicated in my mind for a deadline deal – and I don’t like it for the sixers
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
According to Tom Moore – Iverson was at practice today
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 2:10 PM PST reply actions
Here’s something new that might have cropped up
http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/02/15/sports/nh2098390.txt
Brief news story summarized – sources say amare doesn’t want to play in Cleveland
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 3:41 PM PST reply actions
TNT analyst Charles Barkley said it would be frightening for the Cavs to add Stoudemire.
“That would be scary to have Amar’e on one wing and LeBron (James) on the other wing,” he said. “All these trades are designed to do one thing, and that is to beat the Lakers.”
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Been busy all day (and not going to read it all) but all I gotta say is make a move
by fantasybc88 on Feb 15, 2010 5:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yksqpkd
If want a trade here we go. Gets us youth, one veteran shooter who fits the system and salary cap relief.
Not saying I know enough about NBA trades just throwing it out there.
Ok, boys and girls
Here it is: This is the trade the Sixers MUST make:
Not without the draft rights to that spanish kid
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
That's not in the trade machine, though.
I’d throw in a first to get that.
Sixers lose: Green, Dalembert, Kapono, 1st-round pick
Sixers get: Durant, Love, Rubio, Lopez, Flynn, Lee, Thomas
and Etan Thomas
expiring contract that helps the numbers work.
It's embarrassing that
the Nets somehow gain 8 wins from this deal (per Hollinger) by subtracting Lopez and Courtney Lee and picking up Green. They must really be wanting at that SG spot.
Or it shows how messed up Hollingers numbers are
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Took me a while, but I guess I’d agree to it…but only because RUbio was added…he’s the lynchpin
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
I hope that's sarcastic.
It’s tough to tell with you sometimes.
I’m hardly ever serious – only when calling out the complete and total morons
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Thank goodness.
I think the Sixers could contend with that lineup.
At this point, I expect the Cavs to work a one on one deal with the suns – no 3rd team involved
I expect the sixers to do next to, if not completely, nothing
I expect Eie Joran to last out the year and probably start next season as the head coach
No free agents – only a draft pick
And then the sixers will make a panic trade to avoid that luxury tax next season
That’s kind of awesome
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 8:00 PM PST reply actions
Well since I’m jewish and I have read and understand the first amendment – yeah it feels a lot like christmas to me :)
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure how that scenario
compares to Chinese food and a movie, but if you say so.
/late on the Jewish joke. Dangit, John…
Ok – Are the cavs stupid?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917507 – Talking Maggette?
Heat going ‘big’ for Amare
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4917483
Notice as the deadline gets closer the noise from the sixers grows quiet.
As usual, a line from the ‘real’ west wing (the first four seasons) is appropriate
You said — No! You said, let’s dangle our feet in the water of whatever the hell it is we dangle our feet in, when we want to make it look like we’re trying without pissing too many people off!
The only difference is that the motivation was different :)
PS. If you ever feel the need to be inspired by our government, even fictional, might i suggest the first four seasons of the west wing, specifically mr willis of ohio
by jemagee on Feb 15, 2010 9:08 PM PST reply actions
Stein just reported that Liberty Ballers is shopping jsams for two bloggers from from CelticsBlog. But CelticsBlog wants John and a first-rounder as well. Stay tuned.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 15, 2010 10:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
me and tanner finally will have sole (dual?) possession of the blog. it’s becoming a college basketball blog AND THERE’S NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT!
by Michael Levin on Feb 15, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
and the diabolical plan is moving along right on schedule
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 15, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
oh and the blazers just traded outlaw and Blake for camby.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 15, 2010 10:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Reportedly -of course no one is saying it’s done yet.
by jemagee on Feb 16, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
so apparently jordan values that the team works hard more than having a successful one – nice to know
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 16, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
he is confident in the job he is doing and believes that, eventually, it will lead to the team becoming “a perennial playoff contender.”
lolzies
by Michael Levin on Feb 16, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
They made the playoffs the last two years and were a ‘contender’ when he was hired.
So basically he’s admitting they’ve taken a few steps back?
by jemagee on Feb 16, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
The nuts and bolts of it is does your team have good body language? Do they try? Do you see camaraderie? And we see all of that.
Wait a sec, doesn’t Kate Fagan repeatedly report that they’re not watching on the bench and mocking EJ behind his back? Yeah that sounds about right with the body language. He’s unconsciously stupid.
by Michael Levin on Feb 16, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
There’s some smart fans out there :)
If it were me I’d be trying to get Kevin Martin in a deal for Igoudala…but I think it’s likely that nothing happens and that’s not always a bad thing.
Definitely a smart deal…
by jemagee on Feb 16, 2010 1:24 PM PST reply actions
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