Sixers First Half in Review: Player Development
The two teams heavily involved in Andre Iguodala rumors -- the Mavs and the Suns -- look like they've both completed trades which cripple their chances of landing Andre.
The Mavs traded Drew Gooden and Josh Howard for Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood and the Suns are close to a deal that would send Amare Stoudemire to the Cavs for Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson.
It's becoming painfully obvious that the trade deadline will come and go without the Sixers making any significant moves. Ric Bucher wr ites:
The 76ers, several sources say, have all but pulled Iguodala off the market after aggressively exploring interest in him over the last 10 days.
After Thursday, Sixers fans will essentially have nothing to look forward to until the draft lottery. With a depressing finish on the horizon, I thought we'd switch gears and discuss something other than our level of mediocrity, the head coach, and trade rumors: player development.
Have the Sixers young players (Lou, Andre, Thad, Speights, Smith) improved, or gotten worse? Let's compare advanced numbers.
Lou Williams
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
2008-2009
16.3
.513
.435
2.2
8.1
5.2
21.6
2.4
0.6
13.0
27.7
105
109
1.6
1.7
3.4
2009-2010
18.0
.568
.516
1.4
9.2
5.3
21.3
2.4
0.6
11.5
21.3
115
110
2.5
0.9
3.4
Lou hasn't declined significantly in any area. His defense his is slightly worse, but his offense and offensive efficiency are way up. His ORtg has improved from 105 to 115, his percentages have sky-rocketed and he's cut down on his turnovers. Another eye-opener is the progress of Lou Williams' jump shot. Last year his eFG% on jumpers was a little below 40 percent -- this year it's above 47. All in all, the first half of the season has been a success for Lou. He's not a true point guard and he's a mediocre defender at best. His job is to score in bunches, and he's done it pretty damn well thus far.
Andre Iguodala
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
2008-2009
18.4
.560
.507
3.3
14.0
8.6
22.4
2.1
0.9
13.9
22.3
112
108
5.6
3.5
9.2
2009-2010
17.5
.523
.469
3.0
17.4
10.2
23.0
2.5
1.1
14.0
21.5
107
107
2.4
2.2
4.6
Andre Iguodala has declined in every conceivable offensive category except AST%. Personally, I blame it on the loss of Andre Miller. Although Iguodala's offense has diminished he's seen modest improvements in other areas, including defense. Overall it's been a mixed bag for Andre, but I think this is what we can expect from him until he's paired with another facilitator (or superstar) like Miller.
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
2008-2009
15.3
.549
.524
6.4
11.2
8.8
5.8
2.1
0.7
10.2
20.5
110
109
3.0
2.5
5.5
2009-2010
13.8
.516
.491
6.4
12.7
9.5
7.9
1.9
0.5
12.3
21.7
102
110
0.7
1.2
1.8
Thad's rebounding and assist numbers have improved but everything else has gone down the drain -- as has he. I'm not sure what to attribute his relapse to, but it's been painful to watch. He's probably the most interesting player to watch in the second half of the season. Will he regain his 2008-2009 form? Or is he destined for yuckiness?
PER
TS%
eFG%
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg
OWS
DWS
WS
2008-2009
18.0
.543
.504
11.6
16.3
13.9
4.3
1.1
3.6
7.6
21.9
115
107
2.4
1.5
3.8
2009-2010
20.3
.553
.502
11.4
19.0
15.2
6.6
1.9
2.9
10.4
24.5
112
106
1.2
0.7
1.9
The numbers say Speights has improved in almost category except TOV%, but the naked eye and Eddie Jordan say otherwise. Speights hasn't played more than 20 minutes in a game since January 22 because he doesn't rebound or play defense, but this player comparison says he's been better than Elton Brand in every which way. This is where we have to go beyond advanced statistics. Although Speights numbers show he's been a pretty average-to-solid defender, the Sixers defensive rating while he's on the court is terrible. When Speights plays this season, the team's defensive rating is an abysmal 114 as opposed to 106 when he's on the bench. While Speights might be a decent man-to-man defender, the numbers don't lie -- the Sixers' defense suffers big time when he's on the floor. Whether that's because he doesn't rotate, communicate or box out -- or all three -- remains to be seen.
(Note: The Sixers defensive rating when Elton is on the floor is 106, and 109 when he's on the bench.)
Watching the games this season it seems like Speights is taking too many jump shots. Last year 48 percent of his shots were jumpers, and he made 36 percent of them. This year 55 percent of his shots are jumpers, but his shooting percentage has risen eight points (44). He's taking more jumpers, but he's also making more them more often. I'd still rather see him develop a post game.
| PER | TS% | eFG% | ORB% | DRB% | TRB% | AST% | STL% | BLK% | TOV% | USG% | ORtg | DRtg | OWS | DWS | WS | |
| 2007-2008 | 10.7 | .491 | .461 | 8.2 | 16.6 | 12.3 | 2.8 | 1.1 | 3.6 | 12.2 | 16.1 | 101 | 106 | 0.2 | 1.4 | 1.5 |
| 2009-2010 | 12.4 | .533 | .500 | 8.0 | 13.5 | 10.7 | 8.4 | 1.9 | 4.0 | 16.0 | 16.2 | 105 | 106 | 0.2 | 0.4 | 0.6 |
It's hard to evaluate the first half of Jason Smith's season because he's barely played and he's still recovering from major knee surgery. He has however, improved his offense and developed three-point range. He's averaging one three per 36 minutes on 40% shooting, which is good for the second best percentage on the team.
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Lou Williams has shown the most improvement over the first half of the season. Speights, Iguodala and Smith have been fairly similar to year's past, improving in some areas and declining in others. And Thaddeus Young has fallen off a cliff. We'll reevaluate at the end of the year. Here's Jrue Holiday's advanced stats so we have something to compare in April.
| PER | TS% | eFG% | ORB% | DRB% | TRB% | AST% | STL% | BLK% | TOV% | USG% | ORtg | DRtg | OWS | DWS | WS | |
| 2009-2010 | 10.3 | ,471 | .439 | 3.7 | 9.4 | 6.6 | 22.3 | 2.3 | 0.9 | 19.7 | 17.8 | 96 | 109 | -0.2 | 0.6 | 0.3 |
Again the DRtg might be deceiving in this case. The two lineups Jrue's played 90+ minutes this year with (Green, Iguodala, Brand, Dalembert) and (Iverson, Iguodala, Brand, Dalembert) have defensive ratings of 94 and 97 respectively.
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soo.. the D rating is better with Jrue on the floor right>
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Not overall, but with the two groups he plays most with.
Here are the numbers if you want to look.
The team’s defensive rating with Jrue, Iverson, Iguodala, Brand, Sam is 96. If you take Jrue out of that lineup and put Lou in instead, their defensive rating goes from 96 to 120.
It’s not an exact science, and someone (not me) could make an argument that the difference between Lou and Jrue defensively is minimal at best, but with all the numbers available, I’d say, yes, the defense is better with Jrue.
No
He’s too shoot to be a shooting guard and lacks the natural instincts to be a point guard.
And what makes you think he’ll suddenly learn how to play defense.
by jemagee on Feb 14, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
I think theres a chance with some better coaching and effort (as well as becoming stronger) that he could become adequate.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 14, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Iverson adequate? (Iverson was never a good team defender, just good at steals ;) )
by jemagee on Feb 14, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, but Lou isnt Iverson. Iverson could have been a good defender, he just seemed to think it was beneath him to play D or something.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 14, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
People don’t learn to play defense out of nowhere. It is highly rare for an NBA player to become a better defender that he already is.
I think that depends on the problem
If the problem is one of effort – one has the ability one just doesn’t care (Yeah you speights) – one can get better at defense.
If it’s one of ability and not effort (yeah you jason smith)_ than no they can’t really get better, they are just limited in their ability.
I have no idea if lou could play better defense or not but it sounds like he could put more effort into it
by jemagee on Feb 14, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
And it’s what I think is most missing in prospect analysis which is why you get so many busts
by jemagee on Feb 14, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
The words development and Jordan are not in the same city neverheless the same team. He is systematically destroying this team and players.
I am extremely sad that he has not been fired over this Allstar break. Kate said it best in her article today.
The players still play the games bro. Blame losses on Eddie Jordan, fine. Blame the season on Eddie Jordan, fine. But don’t tell me that Thaddeus Young is missing shots because of Eddie Jordan.
Eie Joran hired Randy Ayers
Randy Ayers helped Thaddeus Young change his shot
Thaddeus Young Shot got worse
Thus – it’s Edie Jodans fault Thaddeus Young shoots worse this year than pervious years
Of course, it’s not Jorans fault at all….none of it
Stefanski hired him
No one with any common sense would think Joran doesn’t deserve to be fired
by jemagee on Feb 14, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
So
Ric Bucher has credibility
But CHris Broussard does not
Gotcha
by jemagee on Feb 14, 2010 2:14 PM PST reply actions
How does Chris Brossard’s ‘uping the antee to get Amare ’update affect us? We’re not the team who needs to up the ante — the Suns are.
If the Suns primary interest among all players is Andre Iguodala and they are still motivated to make a move then Iguodala is still in play.
That’s just common sense
by jemagee on Feb 14, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
The numbers say Speights has improved in almost category except TOV%,
No they don’t…why bother using numbers you’re going to ignore
Why gives us the win shares if you ignore them?
by jemagee on Feb 14, 2010 2:16 PM PST reply actions
Celtics fan here
Simple question: Would you trade Iguodala to Boston for Ray Allen and friends? D:
Nope- gotta at least take Sammy with him (preferably Brand). The Sixers arent going to give away Iggy.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 14, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
So basically, take Iguodala + a bad contract. Supposedly the Celtics wanted Jamison + Butler from the Wiz (or at least CelticsBlog, 93% in a poll), so I’m sure Dalembert or Brand in addition to Iguodala would gain the approval of Celtic fans.
Thing is, I don’t think Wyc (our owner) would want Danny Ainge (our GM) to take back such bad contracts and drive up our luxury tax. At least, that seems to be why Ray for Jamison + Butler didn’t happen. : \
That could be why
or it could just be that the wizards preferred trading Jamison and Butler out west – the cletics couldn’t offer much better than the mavs did but the wiz don’t have to face the players as much when they’re out west (stupid reasoning but it’s what works in the NBA)
If you follow the logic, it would cost even ‘more’ to trade within the division as these guys would beat the sixers 4 times a year.
Iguodala isn’t a bad contract
Sam expires next year
by jemagee on Feb 14, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
“Thing is, I don’t think Wyc (our owner) would want Danny Ainge (our GM) to take back such bad contracts and drive up our luxury tax. At least, that seems to be why Ray for Jamison + Butler didn’t happen. : [[COMMENT_CHILDREN_TOKEN]]#8221;
Yup, thats also probably the reason Iggys basically off the market now.
by philiafan14364 on Feb 14, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Jamison's still with the Wiz
A lot of us, just from the Wiz, would be ok with Miller + Jamison, especially if Ray comes back in a buyout. Also, Miller’s an expiring contract as well.
Oh, and there’s a chance Iggy’s off the market cause there’s a done deal between Boston and Philly!!! 8 )
….I wish.
You know – no matter what happens at the deadline – the fact that Eie Joran has not been fired yet is a fail…had basically a week with no one having to go anywhere to add a new coach
by jemagee on Feb 14, 2010 5:08 PM PST reply actions
Can you name a good scenario for the Sixers from the deadline
I’m not sure the Sixers will be in good shape regardless of a move they do or do not make.
1. If they do nothing they still are run by the 3 Edd’d Monster and are headed to be over the tax. Meaning they will have to give something away at some point.
2. If they give away Iguodala and get little or nothing back they will set back any rebuilding immeasurably. And building around Amare/Brand would probably be even worse (although that is an unlikely scenario.)
3. It sounds like there is no deal that will involve removing Brand’s Philly-Max contract.
Since there looks to be no Brand option, and the Ed’s will all still be here, I’m can’t think of a deal that I want to see… and yet I don’t want to see no moves either.
http://www.phillyarena.com - Philly sports forum/blog
Well the Mavs crushed my good scenario…so at this point you’re at lemonade time…the sixers have lemons – what are they going to make.
by jemagee on Feb 14, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure what kind of alchemy is involved in turning lemons into that
by jemagee on Feb 14, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
You’ve made a mistake with regard to Speights, blaming him for the Sixers defensive woes when he’s on the floor. As someone who’s been a proponent of his play, I’ve watched his performances carefully. Frequently the problem is with the rest of the team on the floor with him. When he’s paired with Thad Young, the SIxers defense suffers. When he’s paired with Elton Brand it’s fine.
The problem is the coach not using him properly, which could be said about every player on the roster. In terms of maximizing their potential the season has been an abject failure. Of particular concern is the decline in Thad Young’s play. I don’t think that Eddie is putting him in positions to succeed, forcing him to play out of position against bigger and stronger -players. The same is true to a certain extent for Andre Iguodala.
About the only person who has thrived under Eddie is Sam Dalembert, but I think that is a result of Sam and not the coach.
I don’t attribute this as much to the loss of Miller as the addition of Eddie. In every category the Sixers are worse this season compared with last, and the team has much more talent than it did last season. Most of these players should be getting better as none of them are at the age where skills are expected to decline (excluding AI)
If the SIxers are going to get better they’re going to have to do so organically, meaning with the players they have. With Smith and Speights they have enough height to compete, and it will take time to evaluate them and work them into the rotation.
When you compare this Sixers team with the few previous versions, the most notable thing is the decline in rebounding. While the team lost Evans it did get the services of Brand to offset that. When Brand came off the bench with Speights, the 2nd team was better than the first. Now that he and Thad have switched, the first team is better. The difference is that Brand is a real power forward and Young isn’t. Adding another power forward to the mix would improve the teams performance and improve the year over year numbers for every player on the team.
When you look at the games where the Sixers won against better teams, you will find that Speights was a big part of them. The simple fact is they need him in the line-up to help with the scoring and rebounding, Smith can clearly do the same thing, now it’s a matter of finding out which pairings work together.
they don't need another PF
if EJ would realize that Speights is a PF then they could be ok with the second with Lou being the backup guard, Thad being backup SF, Speights backup PF, Smith backup C, and plug in the rest whenever. Speights with Smith/Dalembert on the floor is much better defensively in my opinion than Speights/Smith playing center and Thad playing PF. The rotations are just horrible. Everyone is out of position.
Let me know what you think.
The team’s defense still isn’t great when Speights and Brand are in.
by Jordan Sams on Feb 15, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Sixers First Half in Review: Player Development
A joke with Eddie Jordan as the coach of this team. It would have been a fun year if we had coaching!

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