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Without Andre Iguodala, Sixers fall to sharpshooting Warriors 110-95

Without Andre Iguodala, the Golden State Warriors drained 15 three's on their way to a 110-95 victory at the Oracle Arena, dropping the Sixers to 2-3 through the first 5 games of this 8 game road trip.  The next stop on the trip is Phoenix on Wednesday night. 

The Warriors were led by Dorrell Wright, who dropped 28 points on only 11 shots, including 5-7 from three point range.  Wright came within 2 points of tying his career high, set earlier this year.

The 15 three pointers the Warriors made were a season high by a Sixers opponent, handily topping the 10 Washington made on November 23rd, which was previously the most given up by the Sixers.  Already at a disadvantage by missing their best perimeter defender, the Sixers gave up open look after open look to Wright, Stephen Curry, Monta Ellis, Vladimir Radmanovic and even former Sixer Rodney Carney.

Jrue Holiday and Thaddeus Young did their bests to keep the Sixers in the game early, with Holiday finishing with 8 points and 7 assists in the first quarter, and Young 7 in the first quarter.  The Sixers trailed by 5 after 1, 6 at halftime, and by 5 after three, before Golden State dropped 34 points in the 4th quarter to put the Sixers away.  David Lee scored 12 points in the 4th, with help from Wright (7 points in the frame), and Curry (10 points).  Radmanovic (3 points) and Ellis (2 points) finished off the big scoring quarter for the Warriors.

It's not surprising the Sixers ran out of gas late in the game on the tail end of a back to back, particularly without their best defender.  That being said, the Warriors had open looks all night, and the Sixers did an incredibly poor job of rotating defensively.  The way the outcome came about was perhaps more disconcerting than the actual result.

A few random thoughts after the jump.

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  • I thought Jrue played a marvelous game, marred by a few really poor decisions with the ball in the 4th quarter that hurt the team.  He did the most to help the team tonight, and probably should have been player of the game, but he'll lose it to Brand because Elton did the least to frustrate me tonight, and sometimes that's enough to get player of the game.
  • Thad really carried the team offensively in the first half, but for as much as he hustled, he had a huge hand in the Sixers porous three point defense.  Whether it was overrating or simply losing his man, Thad was everywhere on the court tonight, except for where he should have been.
  • After Turner got his first two attempts blocked by Amundson, he went into the typical Evan Turner shell offensively.  He broke out of it in the 4th quarter, with mixed success, but he can't go three quarters playing the minutes he did while being invisible offensively.  Indecision is the name of Evan's game right now more than anything.
  • Elton was workman-like offensively, not getting a whole lot of plays run for him but scoring off of effort and second chance points, while being a beast on the glass.  For sheer effort, Elton gets player of the game honors.
  • As much as I'm not a Louis Williams fan, this is a game where we could have used his ability to get to the line, which was virtually non-existent against a terrible defensive team missing their best defensive big.
  • What was with running three straight plays in the post for Spencer Hawes to start the fourth?  The Sixers came away with nothing to show for those possessions, and struggled to find a rhythm in the fourth as the Warriors started hitting their shots.
  • Speaking of bigs, I wasn't a fan of Craig Brackins at the time of the trade, and he's not exactly showing me anything to think I was wrong. It's only his second game, and (despite the fact that he's 23) he has plenty of game experience to acquire.  That being said, you could see his lack of lower body strength numerous times as he struggled to keep the Warriors off the offensive glass.  Doug going to him that early in the third just showed how desperate the team is for a big other than Brand to contribute, especially with the depleted guard depth and the increased desire for Young to eat up minutes at the 3.  It was desperation.  If he's ahead of Marreese Speights in the rotation, that's bad news for Sixers fans.  
  • No clue on what the prognosis on how Iguodala's Achilles is, and how long they're going to rest him.  Outside of the Lakers game, the schedule is beginning to look less daunting.  They need Iguodala if they're looking to make a run.  Andres Nocioni played 25 extremely forgettable minutes, shooting 0-3 from deep, missing some easy bunnies, and showing his lateral shortcomings defensively.  It will be interesting to see what Doug does with the starting lineup if Iguodala misses any more time.
Player of the game: Elton Brand (16 points, 16 rebounds, 7 offensive, 3 assists, 0 turnovers)
Next up: @Phoenix, Wednesday, 9 PM Eastern

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These west coast games kill me

I was already sleeping by the time this one started – stupid real job

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by Tanner Steidel on Dec 28, 2010 5:45 AM PST reply actions  

down 5 at the end of 1

werent the sixers up by 5 (30-25) at the end of the first quarter and blew it starting in the 2nd by getting out scored 30-19?

by jallstarzz13 on Dec 28, 2010 6:34 AM PST reply actions  

Lou’s coming back wednesday so that is a good thing if AI9 isn’t back because I’d rather have him out there then Nocioni. I know the brick wall will say he shouldn’t because he isn’t scoring or engaged but with Lou coming back I think Turner should start instead of Nocioni.

by The Legend on Dec 28, 2010 7:31 AM PST reply actions  

Glad that the Sixers lost, but I think it’s time to get rid of Collins. Speights gets two and a half minutes against a team that can’t defend the post. No, Collins would rather get into a running game with a doughnut team!

A good coach would have found a better way last night. Controlling the boards and limiting the Warriors shots might have been a better choice, as well as pounding it inside and slowing the game by getting to the foul line.

I am sick of Collins, for all the work that he’s done teaching these guys to play smart, his in game decisions are as bad as anyone’s. Consider it took him over a third of the season to figure out who should start! Doug’s limitations as a coach are becoming apparent.

Turner has to be considered a bust at this point, if he could have stepped up and filled Iguodala’s role the Sixers would have been fine. He just can’t get it done.

by RickoT on Dec 28, 2010 8:24 AM PST reply actions  

These last two games I’ve been especially frustrated with Collins as well. The Nuggets played Billups and Lawson together for a lot of the game and the Warriors played Ellis and Curry together most of the time. Why are we not posting up our guards in those situations?

When Turner is on any of those 4, which he was most of the time he was on the floor, he should be going down to the post. He’s got at least 4 inches on them. That would also do a lot to get him involved in the game instead of just standing on the 3pt line waving his arms around. He played noticably better the last two games after he got some touches and chances to attack the basket. Give him looks in the post early—especially when he has 4+ inches on his man— and that can get him going right away.

by ChestyLaRue on Dec 28, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Since when does Speights play in the post? He is a jump shooting big

by The Legend on Dec 28, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

lol what are you talking about man Speights is a beast in post!

by jrb5094 on Dec 28, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Well you guys are either talking about a different player then I am that has the last name Speights or we just see something different because whenever Mo is in the game he rarely passes when he gets the ball, takes mostly jumpers, and on defense tries to take charges.

by The Legend on Dec 28, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha I was bein sarcastic I agree with you. I am a fan of his twitter page though.

by jrb5094 on Dec 28, 2010 2:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

hahahaha

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by Michael Levin on Dec 28, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Isn’t this team already paying two coaches to not work here?

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by EREX21 on Dec 28, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they are done paying Cheeks.

by The Legend on Dec 28, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Dbods: Let me help you with Brackins: He’s a shorter version of Speights. Both are black holes, “jump shooters” neither can or will attack the post, they don’t/can’t bring rebounding to the table. They are journeymen and frankly we expect too much for the 16th pick in the draft a couple of yrs ago, Speights being a journeyman should’ve been expected. Those guys don’t drop that low for no reason.

You reported there were questions about Speezy’s work ethic in Florida and he’s been through several coaches now and still hasn’t gotten their trust. It’s time to abandon that hope as well, he’s a third string big at best.

I think when we look at 3pt defense, we see guys hit shots and say “Oh, that’s bad 3pt defense”. Sometimes the rotation can be crisp, but they’re a 3pt shooting team(they lead the league at 39 percent). So was it bad 3pt defense? Or were we facing a team that simply couldn’t miss and has a variety of shooters?

Indecision, I haven’t used that word Dbods but you know I agree with that. And we probably should start Turner over Nocioni BUT how many minutes Turner gets depends on how engaged he is in the ball game and how productive he is.

I mean we saw Jrue, even while struggling doing the little things. Hustling, taking his opportunity when he got it. Is it so much to ask for for Turner to do the same thing?

If Turner dives on the floor, screams, shows some damn emotion and passion I couldn’t care if he went 0-12, at least he’s trying.

Ricko: For the last time, Speights is a BUST. He provides NONE of what you think he does. Yes he has a good post game, no HE DOESN’T use it. At all. Maybe a few possessions in a full moon and when he has guess what happens? Collins gives him minutes.

He’s a black hole, a cancer on the court and him being on the bench is better for the team. No one BUT you is clamoring for Speights or for that matter even wants to see him. We know what we have in Speights, except you.

by LeQuan Glover on Dec 28, 2010 8:27 AM PST reply actions  

For the last time, Speights is a double-double waiting for minutes. In the past his PER was the leader for all big men. He has demonstrated the capacity to be hugely productive on the floor for other coaches including last season, but this season, even without Dalembert in front of him, and only Hawes to beat out for playing time, your only other option at Center is on the bench, never gets starters minutes, never gets an extended look.

If he never produced or didn’t do anything on the floor he wouldn’t have the PER he did! PER says Speights it a great, highly productive player playing the position where the Sixers are weakest. Still no time at all on the court, where the Sixers need the help the most.

You call him a black-hole, but he scores in bunches, better than any other Sixer. You want players like that to have the ball. Winning basketball comes from shooting a high percentage and Speights does that! Why do you think the best teams have great Centers?

Collins is being a complete jackass about this. All it would take is Collins giving him 35 min. a game to show everyone of you how stupid Collins is being. Nearly every game the Sixers get out-rebounded and outscored, but you don’t even play your 2nd string center.

Not giving Speights minutes under these conditions is inexcusable, at the very least you need to play him in order to attract interest in him so you can trade him. I could see him playing behind Dalembert, but Hawes or Battie? No goddamn way! Collins is a schmuck.

by RickoT on Dec 28, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

down boy

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by Tanner Steidel on Dec 28, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if Speight is a bust, the sixers still didn’t play battie. The sixers can use speight scoring. It the coaches job to make players better, If speight had no talent you can say bust. but speight has talent.

by kosmic on Dec 28, 2010 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

i agree that speights has the talent but doesnt have the work ethic to improve his game. he looks out of shape. its a shame because i had hopes for him. i really thought we had a very good player in him. the sixers still should play him over battie. i agree with ricko t that they should give him minutes and see what we truly have and how bad speights wants to be out on the floor. he does score in bunches and i expected so much from him this year. big disappointment so far but go ahead and give him the minutes over battie or cut your losses.

by Kurt R on Dec 28, 2010 2:02 PM PST reply actions  

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