This is depressing.

by saveourbluths on Dec 18, 2010 6:32 PM PST

Every win sets us back weeks, months, years. The way the team is constructed will never not be mediocre. Winning is not good. I dont care what people are saying about "rooting for losses is bad" or whatever rationalization type thing. This is the worst. We may as well bring back andre miller.

And this isnt one of those sarcastic posts. I think the degree of winning this team has lately, if it continues, is the absolute worst thing for this team.

Have at me.

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I’m with you on this, each win is painful. Just pick your favorite mid lottery talent and hope we land him because that’s where we’ll be drafting @ this rate

by prideoux on Dec 18, 2010 7:07 PM PST reply actions

I’m not convinced that any of the winning they’re doing this season will hurt them. The more I look at next year’s draft the less optimistic I am about a star emerging from the top of the draft. Perry Jones is the only player I see with star potential but every time I’ve watched him this season he has looked extremely raw.

by yosoysean on Dec 18, 2010 8:10 PM PST reply actions

I don’t think a star’s coming from the draft either. I’m most concerned about trading Iguodala before it’s too late.

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by Jordan Sams on Dec 18, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions

Agreed

I just hope that the FO has an idea that to become a legit contender it is going to take years. If the Sixers can continue playing decent ball, trade pieces like Iguodala and Lou could gain value. As long as the Sixers FO doesn’t think they’re only one solid vet away this could be a good thing.

by Dpez71 on Dec 18, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions

double agreed

by jrb5094 on Dec 23, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions

i feel your pain

and i think it’s easy to get stuck as a .500 team in the nba. i just don’t think the draft guarantees anything and i don’t think it will give the team a ‘savior’.

we can each pick examples supporting our view:
- we stole jrue at #18, who looks more valuable right now than turner at #2 (and you could say if it was a couple years ago we’d have gotten durant instead)
- or look at miami, whose current status has more to do with smart execs, cap space, and 3 players wanting to load up, than having picked beasley at #2 (although it now looks like maybe they gave up on him too early)

there’s so much chance involved, from the actual ping pong balls, to scouting the right player, to having that player stick around (lebron) and not get injured (oden) or having some other tragedy happen (len bias), let alone after you pick the player who seems like the right choice at #1 (iverson) can you ultimately win with that player? anyway, i just can’t bear to watch a team made worse to try to win the lottery.

on the other side of things, some teams are just well-run (e.g. spurs) or deep-pocketed (mavs) or have a cachet (lakers, celtics) that seems to make things bounce their way year-in year-out. at some level it comes down to ownership and hiring good managers (how many of the above teams would have hired or retained billy king or eddie jordan?). i think with collins and thorn we have better people at the top now.

it would be dishonest to say this isn’t cherrypicking examples that support my view. it is more a personal/philosophical choice that i can’t ever root for losses.

by lurkinbkln on Dec 18, 2010 8:15 PM PST reply actions

what a post

you for sure might have been a loser growing up anytime you want to tank a season or root for losses for a draft thats going to weak like this past draft then keep that to yourself it’s clear that the sixers and doug wants to win not play to lose for a pick that could be as bad as evan turner no matter if he is a high pick or not. so saveourbluths post a story on a team you want to win

by trufaner on Dec 18, 2010 11:59 PM PST reply actions

I assure that I was and still am a loser.

But the fact that I am a loser is irrelavent. Winning 28-42 games in the this year of the NBA and in general spells years of misfortune. And every win we get increases the sound of the death knell of mediocrity. I love Jrue and like Turner, but it doesnt cut it.

So my wanting to win so desperately in the future would allow me to endure the pain of losses in the interim. The pain of wins now saps me of hope as long as the Sixers are on their current path via winning and not trading, and it makes that pain spine chillingly worse.

My “wanting to lose” is a much better strategy than whatever you can concoct unless you have some insider info about restructuring the team by the front office or restructing the front office. Being title contenders is the only thing that matters. Take your “i love winning lets try hard” smells like teen spirit and be a pacers fan, a bobcats fan, or a grizzlies fan. Yeah they may be entertaining sometimes, but those teams and any of the like have no shot at titles now or any time in the near future. Just like the sixers.

You say poor me; I say poor us. (Yes, I ended this with a borderline relevant and adjusted original Fast and Furious quote. That’s how bad things are.)

by saveourbluths on Dec 19, 2010 1:45 AM PST up reply actions

haha nice touch with the fast and furious line, I’m with you man. All I want for Christmas is for Dre to get traded, Turner to get more minutes, and to NOT make the playoffs.

by jrb5094 on Dec 23, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions

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by Michael Levin on Dec 23, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions

I messed up.

It’s a Gone in 60 Seconds quote. That makes it 100 times better.

Mini argument won as a result.

by saveourbluths on Dec 26, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions

Losing now is like investing your money

Sure you have to eat Kraft Macaroni dinners now and again, but when your stock booms and you’re dining at the Ritz, it makes it all worth it.

For the record, I don’t know anything about stocks or if the Ritz is still a happenin’ place.

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by Michael Levin on Dec 19, 2010 5:30 AM PST reply actions

theres no one good in the next draft anyways that will help the sixers

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by LouWilliamsMVP on Dec 23, 2010 5:33 PM PST reply actions

That may be going a tad too far. While there may or may not be any superstars there will at least be some useful players.

by yosoysean on Dec 23, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions

I'm assuming...

…that what he meant was that there is no one in this draft that specifically looks like he’s worth tanking for, and that there may be value distributed through the first round, if one is looking for useful players. So, given that value distribution, it may possibly be worth the small slip in draft position to let the team win as many games as it can, to possibly build a culture that at least admits the possibility of winning, unlike when Eddie Jordan patrolled the sideline. Since, as we have established, there appear to be no tank-worthy superstars available, anyway :)

Or maybe he was just saying something abysmally stupid. You never can tell.

by dweebowitz on Dec 26, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions

I don't know if it is the players, or the coach roulette, or what...

…but the players that have run through this franchise, aside from AI, over the last decade simply plateau to slightly above average. All show flashes of something that can make it easy to argue against moving them. Thad, Lou, AI2, Speights, etc. etc. etc., all have valuable skills. This team cannot win consistently with them but who else are you going to give those minutes to? Nocioni?

That being said, no one goes to the games any way so they should be running the younger guys out as much as possible to see what they have. I know what Thad can do. I know what Brand can do and I know what AI can do.

by FatPants on Dec 27, 2010 8:30 AM PST reply actions

We need...

a dominant big man at center. The way Brand is playing is what we need in another player at center. Spencer Hawes is not that bad of a center but I see him more as an offensive center rather than a defensive. I think if we can get that dominant center (don’t know who) then I think this team may be a very good team with great potential.

by AssyMcgee on Dec 28, 2010 10:10 AM PST reply actions

A lot of teams can say the same thing but dominant centers are hard to come by. There may be only one in the league (Howard) or 2 if you consider Pau Gasol a center.

by yosoysean on Dec 29, 2010 11:48 PM PST up reply actions