Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: The Week In Worst: When Baseball Goes Wrong

Sixers 2010: On Losing, Playoffs, And MissionBJ

Easily the biggest debate on this site and among Sixers fandom is determining the best outcome of this season. Is it better for the team to win as many games as they can and slide into one of the back-end playoff spots? Or should we be rooting for losses so the team can continue improving through the draft? This isn't exclusive to Sixers fans, as there are 118 teams in the four major sports whose fans do not get to celebrate a world championship.

So what's the goal? To win a championship, naturally. Are there the right pieces on this team to win 12 games in the NBA playoffs this season? Simply, no, and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. But does that mean making the playoffs as the 8th seed should be commiserated by Sixers fans?

More after the jump.

Star-divide

All throughout my youth, I was married to winning. Until I abandoned hockey after the 1997 Stanley Cup Finals, my sanity, and that of my parents and siblings, was determined by the fortunes of the Phillies, Sixers, Eagles, and Flyers. Even in high school when the Chris Webber experiment was so obviously failing, I kept pining for victories and hoping the Sixers could get back to their 2001 form. I remember thinking that I could never root for my team to lose and how everyone who did that was a "bad fan". I think that's the sports equivalent of being a tie-dye toting hippie in the 70s.

Rooting For Losses

Well, like those future businessmen and women at Woodstock hating on big business, I grew up, started writing on a Sixers blog, and opened my eyes to the big picture (OK, maybe not everyone who went to Woodstock writes for a Sixers blog, but I'm sure a majority of them do). I suppose writing on a site like this could harden you to the day-to-day emotions of being a fan, but I would still very much consider myself more of a fan than a journalist. Either way, I've been rooting pretty hard for losses since December of the Eddie Jordan era. Follow me on the logic here and I promise I'll Devil's Advocate myself all the way home.

The goal for any professional team is to win a championship. While the players have to go out there and try to win every game, the coaches and front office staff should have both eyes on a future where their ensemble of players can stand on the top of the mountain. Their job should involve being realistic with their expectations and only making moves that will push their team forward on the path towards winning a title. When you're topping off at a first round playoff exit, you're not doing your job. Unfortunately for the idealistic fan base, their biggest concern is the bottom line, so often times a great team won't commit to a player that would have put them over the top, and other times a bad team will make a newsworthy signing just to garner attention and stunt the team's future development (i.e. the Sixers signing Allen Iverson last season). When a team finds itself caught between contending and rebuilding, the purgatory of mediocrity is really hard to shake.

And that's where I think the Sixers are right now, and have been since the first Iverson era ended. They're saddled with a few bad contracts that wouldn't look as bad if they were contending for an Eastern Conference crown. Yes, they're young but most of their young guys don't figure to be top 3 options on a championship team. The prevailing hope is that Jrue Holiday can become one, and though he struggles at times, as a 20-year-old point guard it looks like he'll become a second or third option on a title team. Evan Turner has a ways to go, but regardless of what anyone currently thinks of him (I'm still a believer he'll be a completely different player by next season), it's hard to be thrilled about what he's done so far. Jodie Meeks has been phenomenal lately, and I love how excited we are about him, but he's a fringe NBA starter right now and would need to get a lot better to be a contributor on a great team. Spencer Hawes, Marreese Speights, and Craig Brackins are all under 23, but still have so far to go before they fill a major hole on a contender that it doesn't seem likely. Louis Williams and Andre Iguodala have been around a while and are still young, but Lou's ceiling is as a great sixth man and Iguodala will most likely be gone before the team reaches its potential and his departure would speed up Turner's development. Elton Brand is having a great year but his biggest help to this team will be when his contract runs out. Andres Nocioni, Darius Songaila, Jason Kapono, and (especially) Tony Battie are for the most part worthless to a team looking to contend in three years. So if we're being very realistic, we have one, maybe two of the three major pieces to a title contender. Without three studs in today's NBA, you're not winning a championship. That makes everyone else expendable until we solidify those three players.

Once we accept that fact, we have to address how to go about getting that one guy (for argument's sake, let's say Evan and Jrue are your 2-3 options) that can down the road make us into a championship contender. Because we lack the cap room to sign a big free agent to be our number one (and realistically we won't be making any trades to get that guy unless we sacrifice one or two of our pieces we've already identified), the draft is the best way to find that player. The Sixers have had good success with Tony DiLeo as their draft guy and with a top 5 pick, he should be able to find a big guy to compliment Holiday and Turner as a young Big 3 for this team. Having each of them within 2 years of each other and watching them grow together would be great for the team (see Oklahoma City's Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, and Russell Westbrook...add in James Harden, Cole Aldrich, Eric Maynor and Serge Ibaka -- all within 3 years of each other) and the city (OKC jumped from 28th in attendance in 2008 to 11th and 12th the past two seasons). The Sixers currently have the lowest percentage of seats filled per game in the league.

Unfortunately the 2011 class is light in legitimate center prospects. I hate to speculate (but I'm going to do it anyway), but the previously rumored three-way Iguodala deal that gets us Derrick Favors and moves Carmelo Anthony to New Jersey would be pretty beautiful. If DiLeo and Thorn get Perry Jones III, the taller half of #missionBJ, that would be a terrifically young starting 5. Holiday-Meeks-Turner-Jones-Favors. Perhaps a little small, but with a second round pick like Morehead State's Kenneth Faried, La Salle's Aaric Murray or Temple's Lavoy Allen, the Sixers could nab a defensive-minded rebounder for a few years on the cheap. While it's extremely unlikely that any coach or GM would endorse a starting lineup with no one over the age of 25 to be found, it would put us on the fast track to contending for a title in three years when they're all in their prime and very comfortable playing with each other.

Rooting for losses gets us closer to a championship, and if that's the goal, shouldn't that be what we're pushing for? Middling in mediocrity for years and years is painful, and if in the words of Ricky Bobby: "If you're not first, you're last."

Win Games

There's a ton of flaws with the #missionBJ campaign. One, a losing basketball team doesn't guarantee a top pick due to the draft lottery. Two, even if the team has a top pick year in and year out, the team could be stuck there for a decade or more, like the Clippers have been forever. Three, and this is a less tangible reason, losing creates a "losing environment" in which the players get used to it and sink the franchise for years before it's able to pull itself out of it.

Most importantly, to me, winning games is fun. It's a great time. Last night just being involved in a close game with a team of the Celtics caliber got me excited to be a Sixers fan again. Going on the see-saw as the game comes down to the wire brings me back to the erstwhile Iverson days and the Raptors playoff series where he and Vince Carter went back and forth putting up 40 point games. It would be awesome for the city, for the blog, and for me if the Sixers made the playoffs again. Drawing the Celtics and stealing game one in Boston? That would be beautiful. Even if we don't have some sort of fully thought-out plan in place to win a championship by 2014, making the playoffs in each of those years while our young guys bump up against the big dogs would be pretty freakin' sweet.

And watching a winning team is infinitely more fun than watching a crappy one and hoping they lose. It's obvious to anybody who saw this team play under Eddie Jordan that this Doug Collins-coached team is better and more enjoyable to watch. Doug hasn't perfected his rotations but the team has continued to improve and it's likely that barring an Iguodala trade, the Sixers will get better and better by season's end. So why not cheer for wins and player development? Do they have to be mutually exclusive? I'd love for Brackins/Speights to take all of the excess Battie/Kapono minutes. Play the young guys but coach to win, and get back to being that young, up-tempo mid-level playoff team that scares the veteran teams because of how quickly they can catch fire.

After last night, I'm not as sure about loss-mongering as I was. Maybe it was watching our guys on national television and seeing everybody online talking about the Sixers like they're relevant again. I'm still on board with #missionBJ because no matter how much fun it was watching that Celtics game, imagine how great it'll be once we're the stacked team that's young and exciting with unlimited potential poised to go to the Finals for five straight years.

I think that possibility is worth mortgaging the present. The future could be bright, my friends. Until then, you know what to do.

Comment 54 comments  |  3 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Yeah I agree with you in just about every way. Even with us winning some games and developing players along the way, were still going to end up with a sub par kind of record (probably below .500 with a number of other teams in the Eastern conference and like 2 or 3 teams in the western conference). So were still going to have a chance to grab a sweet draft pick I think. I also like your idea of building more of a positive vibe with the players and maybe even players who want to come here in a trade or something by winning some games and developing players and a system.

by jrb5094 on Dec 10, 2010 11:32 AM PST reply actions  

Holiday-Meeks-Turner-Jones-Favors

Absolutely.

but with a second round pick like Morehead State’s Kenneth Faried

Now you are just playing with my emotions. If we somehow landed both Jones and Faried, I would explode with excitement.

by JoshuaR on Dec 10, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

somebody find the sign up sheet

I wanna be first to put my name down.

formerly jdcvr6

"When I'm dead and buried, and my time here has passed. I want them to bury me upside down, so my critics can kiss my ass." - Bob Knight

by James_C on Dec 10, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I can’t even explain how much I love those two on the Sixers (Jones/Faried). Probably my 2 favorite college players, going to my favorite pro team. Wow.

by JoshuaR on Dec 10, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely on the side of winning

Trying to stockpile talent is best left for the consistently mediocre small market teams. Since Philly isn’t one, it’s best to leave the FA door available as gathering up talented pieces isn’t a sure fire solution. Just ask Portland fans right about now…

by RedHopeful on Dec 10, 2010 11:52 AM PST reply actions  

Big free agents aren’t likely to sign with a team that’s not from New York, Florida, or Los Angeles. Ask Chicago how creating cap room worked for them on several occasions. They couldn’t get Grant Hill. They couldn’t get Tracy McGrady. They couldn’t get LeBron James. And Chicago is far from a small market. It took them getting Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah to be remotely interesting to a 2nd tier free agent (Boozer).

While stockpiling talent isn’t surefire solution it’s really the only thing the Sixers can do. Carmelo isn’t going to want to come here. CP3 isn’t going to want to come here. Dwight Howard isn’t going to want to come here. The only way to get a star here is through the draft or making the team talented enough to make one of them want to come.

by yosoysean on Dec 10, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh

Ask the Clippers how they’ve fared being in LA with top free agents.

Chicago was absolutely horrid during the Floyd/Cartwright years so who wants to go to one of the consistently worst teams in the NBA. For years Dallas was similarly a laughing stock. Then the cultures changed in both cities and now are faring quite well. Boozer is a fantastic addition when considering they’ve already got a star to build around.

Wouldn’t count Lebron – he snubbed New York also as he had a pact with Bosh and Wade.

I agree currently a CP3 or Melo likely don’t want to come to Philly but all that could change if they develop a winning base around several guys. A lot more goes into it than just location…

by RedHopeful on Dec 10, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Chicago was absolutely horrid during the Floyd/Cartwright years so who wants to go to one of the consistently worst teams in the NBA.

And the image of the Sixers right now isn’t much better. They’re not nearly as bad as Chicago was then but they are seen as a losing franchise.

For years Dallas was similarly a laughing stock. Then the cultures changed in both cities and now are faring quite well.

Both thanks to drafting a superstar (or at least acquiring one on a draft day trade.)

Not seeing how this is supporting your big FA argument.

by yosoysean on Dec 10, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

You took the words right out of my mouth

I’m tired of waiting for this young talent to gel and mature, F#CK THAT! It’s time to play with the big dogs. Another top lottery pick is just gonna add another 19 yr old kid who’s gonna take 3-4 yrs to develop. Barnes, both Jones, Kanter are good but I don’t think they’re LBJ and Duncan type impact. OKC has drafted well (Imagine if they drafted T Evans over Harden), but the major players (LA Gasol, Odom, BOS KG, Allen, MIA-James, Bosh) have been built via FA or trades. Lets step it up, lets make a run a Melo, PLEEEEEEEEAASSSSSEEE!!!!

by ThePaceMaker on Dec 10, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

LA got their big players because of a huge market and a superstar already in place.

Boston got their players by stockpiling talent (exactly what RedHopeful was against) and trading that talent for veteran star players.

Miami got their players because of a superstar already in place, a fantastic city to live in, and the lack of income tax in the state of Florida.

Sixers are not in the position to sign a big FA even if they had the cap room.

by yosoysean on Dec 10, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not sure which side I’m on right now.

by The Legend on Dec 10, 2010 12:13 PM PST reply actions  

For me, I’m rooting for wins but I am not disappointed with the losses. I probably should be rooting for losses but it’s hard for me to do at this point in the season. Maybe around late February I can start actively rooting for losses.

by yosoysean on Dec 10, 2010 12:13 PM PST reply actions  

Me too. I am not upset at losses – and especially if its competitve until the last second. Those are the ones you win with an extra year or two of experience and chemistry (a la OKC). I cant yet “hope” for losses though.

You don’t want to breed an atmosphere where losing is acceptable.

by shova on Dec 10, 2010 2:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The problem for the Sixers is that this season, they could be the best of a bad bunch and deserve the 8th seed. This is only because there are so many bad teams in the East. They are at best a .500 team as they are now – in the dead zone where you don’t get a good pick and can’t get good enough to contend. In theory, adding one real stud Center would be enough to make this team into a real contender, and the only way to get him is to get him in the draft, or hope one that you have turns into one.

So logically you should tank, if you can be assured of adding that player. By now it’s clear to everyone that last draft the right pick was Favors, and Sixers fans will now start to see that drafting Turner was a huge, idiotic, error of the first order. Favors may turn out to be that player that we really needed to put us over the top! He was our chance and management blew it.

I say that you still need to develop what you have, in order to plan for the future. On a height challenged team, not playing Speights and Hawes major minutes is just plain stupid. We need to know if these guys can play or not, and we need to see just how good they are.

If this makes us lose a few more games because Speights does something dumb, or Hawes can’t get it done, I’m fine with that. We’ll miss the playoffs and get a better pick. But IF they can get it done, I’d rather see that. Let’s see us actually beat Boston and demonstrate that they have the capacity to really compete.

We can always worry about losing games later. We’re far enough back thanks to the start of the season that Doug can experiment and put in the new players that might have the talent to put us over the top. He’s gotten the team to play much better and it will take them to the point where they could make the playoffs, but not compete as they are. Only Speights and Hawes playing well will do that, and this is the primary thing Doug should be focused on. Adding Meeks to the rotation, gave the Sixers critical mass, they now score enough that other teams have to work to beat them.

The rest of this season should be about developing the young bigs, and intentionally missing the playoffs. Even if Speight, Hawes or Brakins turns out to be the guy, getting another high draft pick is the difference between being the top contender and an also-ran.

by RickoT on Dec 10, 2010 1:12 PM PST reply actions  

By now it’s clear to everyone that last draft the right pick was Favors, and Sixers fans will now start to see that drafting Turner was a huge, idiotic, error of the first order. Favors may turn out to be that player that we really needed to put us over the top! He was our chance and management blew it.

Still way to early on this. We all know you loved Favors’ youtube highlights but you can’t judge this early. At this time last season Brandon Jennings looked like twice the player Stephen Curry did.

by yosoysean on Dec 10, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

No opinion on Thad, Mike?

I’m sure his feelings are crushed :)

The other thing is, it might be that Spawes could be a useful player, even on a good team, teamed with the right kind of PF, a really killer rebounder/defender/shotblocker with something resembling a post game, preferably.

by dweebowitz on Dec 10, 2010 1:16 PM PST reply actions  

I'm a jerk

Liberty Ballers / Ridiculous Upside / SBN Philly / Twitter

The Artist Formerly Known As The Artist Formerly Known As Michael Bourn

by Michael Levin on Dec 10, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't tell me...

…tell Thad. He’s the one crying on the phone….

by dweebowitz on Dec 10, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

#missionBJ for life, that is all.

by prideoux on Dec 10, 2010 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

+1

formerly jdcvr6

"When I'm dead and buried, and my time here has passed. I want them to bury me upside down, so my critics can kiss my ass." - Bob Knight

by James_C on Dec 10, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Good work Levin

I agree with everything you said, also in two years when Brands albatross of a contract becomes a very valuable expiring contract we might be able to make trade magic with a team needing to rebuild.

I hope someone offers us a nice package of picks/players for Dre

by Tron79 on Dec 10, 2010 1:46 PM PST reply actions  

This looks like good work

But it’s kind of long. I rec’d it anyway.

I write about basketball players with Ridiculous Upside. I know you'll love it.

by Scott Schroeder on Dec 10, 2010 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

After last season

I am just glad that we are having this conversation at all. Last night’s game was awesome to watch. Who would have thought at the beginning of the season that we would be able to go back and forth with the Celtics? not many of us. I would love it if we could play games like that all the time, obviously I would wish for a different outcome, but just to see this team being that competitive was great.

With all that said, I think it would be best for our team to miss the playoffs this year and continue this youth movement. As Mike said, we simply do not have the pieces to win 12 games in the playoffs. The losses this year have been much easier to swallow than the losses last year due to the fact that we are competitive and you can see flashes of greatness and the potential that some of our players have. Jrue is definitely part of the solution and I believe Evan will eventually become the guy we thought we were getting with the 2nd overall pick, but right now I think securing a top pick would benefit this team the most.

formerly jdcvr6

"When I'm dead and buried, and my time here has passed. I want them to bury me upside down, so my critics can kiss my ass." - Bob Knight

by James_C on Dec 10, 2010 2:14 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Just to regurgitate what everyone has probably already said...

I think we all share the same sentiment, that this team is moving in the right direction. Granted, there really is only one direction to go…and that is up. I think last night’s game left us wanting and asking for more, something that I could not say last year. When Iguodala made that last shot with 6 seconds left on the clock, I actually jumped up and got excited. Last time I got excited like that was his buzzer beater against the Lakers.

Its not just that we are competitive, its that we can actually visualize a core of players that will continue to grow and get better together for an extended period of time. If all things work out and we play the right cards, we’ll be a contender again.

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Dec 10, 2010 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

I was just thinking since we’re all excited about Meeks right now, how would our record look if he was playing instead of Kapono and Nocioni getting a mandatory 20 minutes? We might of won a couple of those close games like the Washington ones.

by The Legend on Dec 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST reply actions  

As awesome as getting blasted in the first round of the playoffs sounds...

#MissionBJ it is.

BOILER UP!! 2010-2011

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on Dec 10, 2010 5:12 PM PST reply actions  

My current concern is that we won’t suck enough to land one of the top picks. As much as I like Iguodala, I want to see Turner play, and agree it’s time to trade Iguodala. I fear we may end up drafting in the 8 to 12 range.

I’m certainly more in favour of Jones over Barnes. However I would settle for Kanter or Sullinger if we screw up Mission #BJ.

by briztoon on Dec 10, 2010 5:51 PM PST reply actions  

This is what I’m thinking. I doubt we will finish with records worse than twolves, kings, clippers, nets, wizards. I just don’t think we suck enough to have one of the worst records. That being said were still probably going to miss the playoffs and get a pretty good shot at a nice pick. That pick plus whatever we get for Dre and hopefully we’ll get better within the next few years. Hopefully sooner than later but you know what I mean.

by jrb5094 on Dec 10, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That is the beauty of the lottery. As long as we miss the playoffs, the Sixers will have enough ping-pong balls in there to luck out like they did last year. As bad as we were last season we were no where near the bottom.

It is that element of luck that you can’t quantify that makes the draft so exciting and so frustrating to the worst teams that miss out. I think the Sixers do a pretty good job of drafting, even after the first five picks are gone.

by RickoT on Dec 10, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

That is the beauty of the lottery. As long as we miss the playoffs, the Sixers will have enough ping-pong balls in there to luck out like they did last year.

No they won’t. If they finished with the 12th worst record they’d only have a 2% chance at top 3.

As bad as we were last season we were no where near the bottom.

They were the 6th worst team – 18% chance at the top 3.

by Jordan Sams on Dec 11, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I would love Sullinger…if he is a consolation prize then consider me thrilled.

Personally I would take him over Barnes but that’s just me.

BOILER UP!! 2010-2011

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on Dec 11, 2010 7:53 AM PST up reply actions  

A lot of it comes down to luck on draft day

Someone brought up the example of Dallas earlier. They took a gamble on Nowitzki that paid huge dividends. These 6ers are in need of a franchise-defining moment like that. They’ve got some talent and are pretty fun to watch, but need that “it” guy. Sorry Iggy, it ain’t you.

by ChrisDTX on Dec 10, 2010 6:42 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

“Iggy” doesn’t think he’s the guy. He doesn’t jack up 20 shots a game to try to get those coveted 20 ppg that everyone thinks you need to get in order to be a star in this league.

"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan

by jefu on Dec 10, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

This.

I think enough of us have made the “Andre is not trying to be Kobe” argument. I’m so tired of the perception of a “star”, as well. “Stars” are made most of the time, not born. That is, not everyone is a Lebron James. In addition, the media also plays a role in creating “stars”. The casual fan probably couldn’t name players like monte ellis (I was watching the GS/Miami game) because of the amount of exposure they receive.

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Dec 10, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Not implying that

The point is AI9 is the best player on the team, but he’s not an alpha dog on a championship club.

by ChrisDTX on Dec 11, 2010 12:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I am not sure he is the best player on this team BUT he certainly thinks he is the best player on the team! Agree 100%

by DeanH on Dec 11, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

+35 wins

Can anyone do better than +35 wins on the trade machine… you probably can but this was the best I could do.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2czpedn

by Tron79 on Dec 11, 2010 6:22 AM PST reply actions  

- 39. Thats right, I can make us win 39 less games.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26zgu6t

Ergo, we are going to win 39 games minimum + whatever we get from Kapono,he seemed untradable.

by hart ford on Dec 11, 2010 6:46 AM PST reply actions  

I am pretty sure...

…that with this trade, no one could ever complain that the Sixers don’t have enough frontcourt players. Since, basically, the only guard you have left on the roster is Turner.

But the really cool part is that you have both Koufos and Hawes on the roster. How awesome would that be? STIFF WHITE GUYZ ROOL @55!!

by dweebowitz on Dec 11, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I got us 3 of the top 5 last draft picks.

I’m thinking the lineup would be:
pg: Turner/ Reynolds
SG: Wes/ Christmas
SF: Hayward/ Paterson/ Brackins
PF: Cousins/ D Jackson
C: Hawes/Pek/ Battie/Whiteside/ Koufus

And Yao ming would be a traveling team rep (think all star ballots and China).

We would have almost 10 million in cap room, so we could sign Scottie Reynolds and Donte Christmas to seriously front loaded deals like the Collinson extension. Maybe each get a three year deal averaging 2.5 million but structured 5, 1.25, 1.25.

Obviously we could tweak it slightly, maybe give a little more to Reynolds and less to Christmas? But I think the general premise is a sound plan forward, and trade machine says it nails having the worst record, so it has that going for it.

by hart ford on Dec 11, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

>> and trade machine says it nails having the worst record, so it has that going for it <<

Which is nice.

Actually, if you waived Koufos, Pek, and Hayward, this almost looks like a roster. Mind you, it’s a terrible roster, but a roster nonetheless :)

by dweebowitz on Dec 11, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Pek is guaranteed future money, we cannot just waive him. It would look bad.

by hart ford on Dec 11, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Because, you know, I care about how it looks :)

by dweebowitz on Dec 11, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I almost did not read this blog because I have NO interest in tanking or trying to get a high lottery pick. This is entertainment, not a matter of life and death. The reason one plays a game is to win. Not to lose.

Last year the 76ers were 6th worse team and lucked out getting the 2nd pick. Chances of that happening again is very slim. To waste 1/2 a year rooting for a team to lose and then waste the other 1/2 hoping they get a great pick THAT maybe will make them a winner! I think there is enough examples of where a top draft pick did little to help a team, Oden, Theabet (sp), etc….

On the other side, I would rather the team not be the 7th or 8th place and not be in the lottery. But, I will continue to root for my team to win EVERY GAME and have no interest in hanging around with a bunch of losers!!!!!!

by DeanH on Dec 11, 2010 12:17 PM PST reply actions  

and have no interest in hanging around with a bunch of losers!!!!!!

Snap.

by hart ford on Dec 11, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

BJ - hold on before u get 2 crazy

Barnes may be good. even real good at some point but everyone has gone 2crazy. did you watch the hs games. he was clearly more talented than his area (iowa a bball haven? no) but when he shot & missed he was able to out jump guys and get a lot of off rbs. as u see in college his size does not make for a great rebounder & someone u want spending much time in the paint & this is part of his struggle as he acclimates himself to the college game. also every1 needs to stop going nuts because unc has a kid highly touted and think he’s a star right now..u see that stackhouse was not the next jordan but had a solid career(like a clifford robinson or dan marjele), rasheed (part of the darryl dawkins,derrick coleman tradition) was super talented but not wanting 2do the work involved with being a star, vince only had a few major star seasons, jamison’s been a solid role guy. then you add the guys who people said you have to draft because the upside is through the roof- marvin williams, brendan wright like barnes they were long guys who showed some range and every1 labeled future star on.. i wouldn’t all of a sudden say he’s the 1-2 lottery option (kyrie irving was showing more value til his injury).. the last thing philly needs is great athletes with upsides if things go right. thats what i heard with iggy,lou,young,&speights. we need 2find a guy who’s just a great bball skills guy – i want a bird, reggie miller, deron williams, tim duncan like skill guy before another guy who fast,can jump &if he works on his shot & selection can be very good

by captRons on Dec 18, 2010 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

&to my point there are some skilled guys who have the game to bring in

de’sean butler will get nowhere with the miami 3amigos running the show even if his knee is strong again. he’s a guy to work with. has all the skills like another ny kid artest – defends, makes good shots, & can handle the ball well as a 6’7-6’8 forward.. i like his basketball game(or iq) as a forward in this league in 2-3 yrs over having iggy

by captRons on Dec 18, 2010 9:33 AM PST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools


Editor

Morris_small Jordan Sams

Sharone_wright_sixers_small Michael Levin

Associate Editor

Lourdre2_small Tanner Steidel

Twitter_small Derek Bodner

Contributor

Autographed-photo-ben-rivera-phillies1_05ba981348520854b79233eacee8eeee_small Dave Rueter