Sixers @ Wizards: Turnovers, circus shot denies Sixers first win
Up 6 with under a minute left to play, the 76ers found a way to lose to the previously winless Washington Wizards. John Wall made a fantastic and-1 off of a defensive breakdown and Cartier Martin made a circus shot to send the game into overtime. Brand scored 4 points in the extra period, but fouled out with 7 seconds to go on the Andray Blatche free throws that would put the Wizards ahead for good.
Of all the losses, and at 0-4 they're starting to pile up fairly quickly, and in unique ways, this was the hardest to stomach. Against a team that shouldn't be in contention to make the playoffs, the Sixers were well-rested and came out on fire, jumping out to a 14 point lead midway through the first quarter. Some sloppy passing led to some transition opportunities for Wall, and some great shooting from Nick Young brought the Wizards back quickly.
Some quick thoughts after the jump.
- I thought Jrue did a good job on Wall in the half-court, for the most part. There were some breakdowns (Wall's and-1 late in the 4th), and some misfires on the pick and roll. But in the half-court, I thought Jrue did a good job of denying Wall dribble penetration. On the flip side, I thought Jrue struggled at times off the ball, particularly on Nick Young in the second quarter.
- Overall, I thought Jrue played a great game. Not perfect, particularly due to some sloppy turnovers at times. A couple of lazy passes in the 3rd helped Washington extend their lead, and that turnover with under a minute left in regulation helped Washington erase the deficit quickly. That being said, he carried the Sixers in the 4th, played good defense against a very tough opponent, and made an array of dazzling passes throughout.
- Similarly, I thought Evan played surprisingly good defense against Wall during that time in the second half he was matched up against him. Again, Wall beat him at times, but when matched up in isolation situations, I thought Turner moved his feet very well, a good sign on Turner's defensive potential going forward.
- Lou obviously carried the team offensively throughout the 4th, and his ability to get to the line is sorely needed for a team that otherwise hasn't been getting there. Lou's averaging 11.7 free throws made through 4 games this season. The next highest on the team is Elton Brand at 2.4.
- Speaking of Elton Brand, another terrific game from him. 21 points on 11 shots, 9 rebounds, 4 steals and a block. Can Elton play his way into trade-ability ? Probably not, but it's nice to see this Elton over last years.
- I thought Iguodala's defense was suspect on the last play in regulation. Tried too hard to draw the foul, which unless it's blatantly obvious the refs aren't going to call in that stage of the game (ask Bryon Russell). Put your hands up and let a scrub who has made 28 three's in his professional career make a contested shot to beat you. *edit* after watching the replay a few more times, I think Iguodala was trying to foul Martin before he got the shot off, and he backed off once Martin started getting the shot up because he didn't want him to go to the line for 3, not that he was trying to draw the foul.
- The Sixers starting lineup outscored the Wizards by 14 to start the game. That's the only time the starting lineup (either variation of the starting lineup) has outscored the opposition to start a half in any of the 4 games. They've lost the other 7 rotations.
- Numbers: Wall picked up 8 steals in the second half. The Sixers shot 55% from the field and lost, they were 7-1 when shooting 55% or higher last year. The 22 turnovers were a big reason for the loss (the Sixers only committed 22 turnovers or more once last year), as were the 30 personal fouls the Sixers committed and the 43 free throw attempts the Wizards attempted. No opponent attempted greater than 41 free throws against the Sixers last year. Iguodala was 1-7 on shots beyond 16 feet.
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I expect to see something happen with this team in the next 20 games or so. Either Thorn goes for a trade or they start to figure out how to win games, or both. If not, they’ll be heading into last year Net’s territory.
Anyway to just buy out Hawes’ contract? He’s terrible.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Tough loss to see today. First off, I want to disagree with the statement against the defense on wall. Jrue throughout the game pressed wall well passed the 3 point line causing wall to blow by him with his amazing speed and either dish it or shoot it. Biggest concern for the sixers for this season is going to be height. I was originally very high on hawes coming into the season, but lately I’m thinking otherwise. The sixers need to make a trade that will include a 7 footer that can bump with the big centers in the league. Elton is trying his best at center, but he’s just too small for the 5. As far as Iggy, something needs to be done. I feel him leaving will not effect us that much with the Turner replacing him. I also want to see what that young fella Craig Brackins can do.
I want to disagree with the statement against the defense on wall. Jrue throughout the game pressed wall well passed the 3 point line causing wall to blow by him with his amazing speed and either dish it or shoot it.
Disagree. I went back and watched every one of wall’s field goal attempts, assists, and fouls drawn.
Wall made 6 shots against Jrue last night. 2 of them were in transition (off Holiday turnovers, which is where he messed up), 2 off pick and rolls, 1 was a contested jumper, and one (the one in the final minute) was Jrue pressing too far up against him. For the first 47 minutes, I don’t think Jrue was playing too far on him.
Of the 10 fouls Wall drew, 5 were when Jrue was defending him. 1 was off a pick and roll where Brand fouled him, 1 was in the final minutes when Iguodala fouled him going for the steal and Jrue was in position, and one was in transition by Turner after Turner committed a turnover on the break. Only two were really on Jrue. One was in the final minute, which I already said was bad defense by Jrue. The other was early in the game when Jrue was between Wall and the basket, contesting a pull-up jumper.
Of Wall’s 13 assists, 8 came while Holiday was defending him. One was off the inbounds pass to Cartier Martin. 6 more were off pick and rolls. One Brand over-comitted and ended up guarding Wall, one where Jrue was right on him and Hinrich hit a contested long J. Another Wall actually threw it away but Thornton picked up it for a dunk. The others Blatche did most of the creating. Only 1 of the 6 pick and rolls did Wall get into the paint on for the dish. Finally, there was one off dribble penetration on overtime. This was the only one Jrue was pressuring too much and allowed penetration off of.
I thought Jrue did a great job keeping him out of the lane last night, outside of those two plays (the one with ~1 min left in regulation, and the one in overtime). Wall’s a very tough guard, and got most of his opportunities in transition (off turnovers) and in the pick and roll (where he is going to be one of the best pick and roll guards in the game, and where our bigs are wretched at defending).
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by Derek Bodner on Nov 3, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
sad... just sad...
And Brand is not a center. We def need a big man in the paint…
by 92-74-99-96 on Nov 3, 2010 3:09 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Definitely not trolling
But I heard a strange rumor that Turner was being frozen out on offensive possessions, and someone pointed to clubhouse problems Turner was supposed to have had his freshman year…is this ridiculous garbage?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 3, 2010 6:01 AM PDT reply actions
Don’t buy it. I do buy him handling not playing well poorly. He did it in college as well, according to Mark Titus.
Got it.
That sounds more in keeping with his perceived character. Thanks :)
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 4, 2010 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I really like the rotations near the end of the game that seemed to involve- jrue, turner, lou, thad, brand, and AI those are our best players with nocioni probably deserving some time in the mix too. I hate Hawes… he is terrible. We really need another big man really not liking the dalembert trade right now. Though I guess it matters not since we are probably on our way to the lottery anyway.
Of all the losses, Im hit but this the hardest.
Why? Coz I think it was a won game that we lost. Im not blaming anyone. Im just saying the Sixers blew it tonight.
But I am hopeful that tomorrow will be a better day!
There can only be one Noce!
3 pt. shooting differential
Among the reasons for the loss, one should also consider the huge difference in 3pt. shooting percentage – the Wizards made a high percentage of their 3 pt. shots and the Sixers made a low percentage. Here we have a game where the Sixers are scoring efficiently from 2pt. land, and playing a weak offensive team, but despite this they still take a lot of poor percentage shots (for them) from 3 pt. and give up good percentage 3 pt. opportunities to the other team.
No rest for the weary, as the Sixers head back to the Wells Fargo Center tomorrow night to play the Pacers. If the Sixers don’t pick up a win in the next three games, is #missionBJ officially on?
I guess I could wait three more games.
I have a question if we keep on losing, would it be best to trade AI9 for a young big?
It’s best to trade Iguodala for any young piece/draft picks, regardless of whether we win or lose. IMO.
Depending on who it is
If it’s for DeAndre Jordan, I’m not doing it. I need more upside than that.
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by Michael Levin on Nov 3, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
It might be a longshot but the guy I have in mind is Cousins. Then hopefully we could get Barnes and have a lineup of Cousins-Brand-Barnes-Turner-Holiday
I don't think you can pry Cousins away from the Kings.
Cousins, Dalembert, Landry and Jason Thompson is turning out to be an awfully effective frontline for Sacramento and Cousins is the one who has the cowbells ringing (aside from Tyreke of course) and I sctually think it will take more than Iguodala to get Cousins.
There can only be one Noce!
how 'bout picks/$30 million in expiring contracts?
by Alan Smithee on Nov 3, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
all depends on the team – if it’s picks but late first, those essentially second rounders, if it’s late lottery/mid-first, that may be more enticing
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by Tanner Steidel on Nov 3, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
yep – and frankly Brand is playing pretty well actually. Id rather see if we could get some young bigs back.
Now if the hypothetical team is Dallas, it might be interesting if Ty Chandler is part of that package. Houston – Jordan Hill/Chase Budinger, San Antonio DeJuan Blair.
I’d still be more interested in Favors or Gallo/Randolph/W.Chandler in a Carmelo deal or maybe Kaman from LAC.
the only reasonable deal between dal/philly as I see it
DAL gets: Iguodala, Brand
PHI gets: Butler, Chandler, Stevenson, Ajinca, and picks
So, Philly gets $29 mil in expiring contracts, picks…but they’ll be in the 20’s. There are those that think Ajinca has talent, being just 22 and having the longest combine recorded wingspan ever at 7’9.
If the Melo-Favors three way deal opens up this deal obviously looks like peanuts.
im dubious of Ajinca, intrigued by chandler, but the picks are not so good. I feel for Dirk – seems like a good, loyal guy.
picks
Obviously, the picks aren’t the feature. However, it appears Philly is on a path to getting a pretty high pick next year, so it’s not as though they won’t be able to add a blue-chipper.
The big thing is that by trading with Dallas Philly has a chance to drop from around $70 mil to around $25 million, meaning they could offer a max contract in addition to the lottery pick and late 1st rounder. That isn’t easy to sell, of course, and it remains to be seen what else pops up in the trade wire.
It’s going to be a long wait until February, that’s all I know.
I actually agree.
My preference in what to acquire for Iguodala
1) Young big (Favors, Love, etc)
2) Packing Iguodala with Brand for expirings
3) Picks
We have this youth thing down, and if we trade Iguodala will have another top 7 pick to add to the movement. Getting rid of Brand and Iguodala could make us huge players in FA this year.
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last year there was a fairly extensive discussion during the Iguodala to Dallas trade rumors, and after the trade with Washington I made some comment essentially saying that I’d prefer Butler/Haywood over Iguodala/Dalembert because of the respective contracts, the fact that Dampier would have to have been included to get the latter, and because I wasn’t that big on Dalembert and thought Haywood was a gem wasting in obscurity.
Since then, Butler has tanked, Dampier’s big nonguaranteed contract brought back the flashy but fallible Tyson Chandler, and Haywood got a huge contract to sit on the bench and pout as Carlisle exerts his ego.
So, hindsight being what it is, I was wrong. I was always high on Iggy; now I feel like he’s the last chance Dallas has of avoiding dead zone status: old, over the cap, and without quality trade assets.
it's 1am here in the philippines (yeah I drew graveyard daddy duty)...
so how many hours do I have to wait for the game?
There can only be one Noce!
Gonna be a long year
The thing about the NBA is, unlike the NFL, you go into the season and you know only 4-5 teams have a shot at winning the title. Sixers need to drop AI, Brand, Hawes when they can and get what they can for them. And then hope for a great player via the draft. A long shot, and a shame for a team with a rich basketball tradition.
Charles Barkley: “I’ve nevah seen Igwuhdullah drive and dunk on anybody in traffic. Have you?”
The Wizards shot 43 free throws and made 36. The Sixers had only 29. That was the real difference in the game. In nearly every other measure the Sixers and Wizards were comparable, and the Sixers were much better from the field with 10 more assists (34).
What is disturbing about this loss was that the Sixers were the better team, except for the free throws, and really should have won the game.
Talk about trading Iguodala seems pointless, you will end up with a lower-quality player under the scenarios proposed. Better to hold onto him, and see what kind of talent you can attract once the new NBA/Union agreement comes through, plus a high draft pick.

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