Game 9: Sixers Lose to Mavs; Jrue Holiday Balls
by Jordan Sams on Nov 12, 2010 8:46 PM PST
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PrintOnce again the Sixers hung tough with a superior opponent, and once again they fell short, falling to 2-7 on the season. The Mavericks lead virtually the entire game with a couple Sixers runs here and there. Then, in the fourth quarter the Mavs turned it up a notch, stretching their three point lead to 14 within a matter of minutes.
For all you #missionBJ fans this is good news – another hard-fought game with flashes of brilliance from Jrue Holiday, ending in a loss and another ping pong ball. The Sixers will finish the night tied for the second worst record in the NBA.
Observations after the jump.
- After a slow start to the season Jrue Holiday is beginning to hit his stride. The past six games, including tonight, he's averaging 16+ points, 9+ assists, 1.8 steals, 2.6 turnovers and percentages of 49/39/76. He's head-and-shoulders above any other Sixer in terms of running the offense, so naturally the Sixers stall in the half-court when he's on the bench.
- Holiday recorded 13 assists tonight in a variety of ways: drawing the defense with penetration and kicking to the open man, crisp backdoor passes, risky passes in heavy traffic, etc. Some of the passes he made were unbelievable, and ones that only a handful of guys can make. He still makes the occasional lazy pass and gets sloppy with the ball at times, but that'll happen when you're running an NBA team as a 20 year-old.
- It's not just Holiday's court vision and passing that make the offense click, it's his ability to hit a spot up jumper every now and then, keeping the defense honest.
- Like last year, Jrue continues to show flashes of great defense, but he lacks consistency. He made some bad decisions going under screens tonight, and got burned because of them. JJ Barea also torched him too many times for my liking. Just because he's killing it on offense doesn't mean he gets a free pass on D.
- Andre Iguodala returned from his strained right achilles tonight, and looked far from 100%, until his POSTERIZATION of Brian Cardinal.
- Iguodala was okay in his return. He scored 13 on 13 shots, grabbed 7 boards and had 4 assists. He still takes and misses too many jumpers.
- Having Holiday, Turner and Iguodala on the floor at the same time helped the Sixers weak half-court offense because all three can create for themselves and each other pretty well. As the season goes along, Turner and Holiday develop and Iguodala gets healthy, this trio could be deadly on both ends.
- Elton Brand had by far his worst game of the season. He was completely non-existent on offense outside of back-to-back wet jumpers. And Haywood/Chandler killed him (among others) on the glass.
- Turner was bad offensively, but lead the team in defensive rebounds and D'd up his man pretty well. On offense he was passive and may have been affected by Iguodala's return. The ball was in Iguodala's hands a lot, which means less ball time for Turner.
- Mo Speights was bad, really bad.
- Lou Williams only played 9 minutes. The shoulder must have been bothering him, because he didn't look like himself.
- Meeks played 17 minutes and only scored because he shot two technical free throws.
- Ed Stefanski filled for Eric Snow as the color guy tonight and apparently has a future in the business.
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It doesn't get any easier tomorrow...
It would also be great to see Turner get a little more aggressive offensively. Perhaps then Iggy won’t take as many poor jump shots. FT and 3pt% Yuck. We have to do better. As for tomorrow, SA can post up with the best of them. Hopefully Hawes and Brand bring their A game. Jrue will have his hands full with Parker as well.
So…we have seen that Turner and Jrue can play together, and play well…but Turner and Iguodala…didn’t look like Turner could get into a rhythm at all. Of course it was only one game so I am not going to make any judgements yet, but I will be curious to see how things plan out over the next few games. If this team is going to continue to play well but struggle to win games then this team really should consider trading Andre, assuming they can get equal value, or as close to it.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
We’re not going to get “equal value” in a trade for Iguodala, our definition of “equal value” is inflated. Like I said, I’d love it if there were a way to determine just how many of his usual 17-18 PPG comes from fast break opportunities and free throws.
Iguodala’s a good player, don’t misunderstand that. But he’s far from worth the 12.5 million he’s getting paid this year and the 15 million he’ll be paid at the end of his contract.
Tonight, aside from the jumpers Iguodala had a relatively okay game. He finally understood that he’s not a great finisher in terms of lay-ups, so if he’s going to drive he should be trying to dunk that stuff.
But Ed Stefanski apparently made the comment that Doug would rather him drive to the basket and praises him WHEN he does. How is it that a coach, fans, etc see the guy’s weaknesses and he doesn’t? Furthermore, the coach for god sakes. And a highly qualified one at that: Listen to him.
We’re not going to get “equal value”, because what Iguodala means to us. A mediocre or lottery team(That ain’t a good place to be, by the way), he doesn’t mean to others.
To the Hornets, Iguodala means another highly qualified defensive wing to help them get out on the break and attack. But it doesn’t mean acquiring a 17-18 PPG player. Or they wouldn’t have offered Thornton and Peja’s expiring.
Why? Because they know he ain’t putting up 17-18 anywhere BUT here.
Please move him, I beg of you Sixers brass.
by LeQuan Glover on Nov 13, 2010 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
I think Turner is going to be a much better offensive player than Iguodala when all is said and done. Iggy can dunk, but he takes way too many random forced jumpshots that rarely go in, Turner thusfar seems allow the offense to come to him and his midrange J is better than Iggy’s. The Sixers would be wise to trade Iggy at the deadline when they can get the most value for him.
I’m pulling for the kid. You know he is dying to find the range on the NBA three and sink one. He was a decent 3 point shooter in college, although he simply didn’t need to attempt many at that level. He should also settle in as a 75% FT shooter. Even though he has never excelled at the charity stripe. We have now drafted 3 talented swingmen in Turner, Iggy and Young over the last 6 years. (not including the plethora of draft and traded euros….among others) Hopefully Turner excels and is the cream of the crop. We have invested a great deal in all 3.
I say we draft either corey fisher(we would have to trade Lou,I like him better anyway rumor has it he scored 105 points in a street ball with “nba” caliber players)or corey stokes from Vill or john jenkins from Vandy with our second round pick and try and draft Lucas Nogueira with our first round if Enes Kanter ain’t available or we could go Josh hamilton with our first round and Meyers Leonard out of Illinois with our second round
by Shawn Alexander on Nov 13, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Josh hamilton with our first round
who’s that?
"I'm a beast ready to be unleashed." -- Paul George
by Tanner Steidel on Nov 13, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t believe that with Iggy they will actually grow and be dangerous because the only one out of the “Philly Big Three” that can truly stretch the floor is jrue and he isn’t even a true three point threat . We need two of these three things to before we can be consider a contender we need a catch and shoot three point shooting guard meaning trade ET or a catch and shoot small forward and a rebounding big with a little bit of offense. If we had those we could be a dangerous foe for years to come
by Shawn Alexander on Nov 13, 2010 1:08 PM PST reply actions
Jrue isn’t a 3pt threat, uh what? Aside from Meeks and Nocioni, he’s really the only one for the 76ers.
by LeQuan Glover on Nov 13, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
this was the first push of the year – shots of listerine all around!
"I'm a beast ready to be unleashed." -- Paul George
My bad jordan hamilton out of texas..here is his scouting report:
Strengths: Very versatile player possessing a strong body … He can comfortably play any position 1 through 4 at the current level, but will eventually settle into a role as a multitalented wing player … He has a variety of moves off the dribble to create space, but he also knows how to use his body to get the defender offbalance … Once he gets into the lane he is very difficult to contain because he can finish in a variety of ways using his strength more so than athleticism … He is a confident shooter and once he gets into a rhythm he can make them in a flurry … As a rebounder he has a great sense of where the ball is going, add in his broad shoulders and leaping ability and you see why he is such a force on the glass … His best asset may be his ability to take the rebound and push the ball in transition, where he makes good reads and delivers the ball to the right spots … Plays with great tenacity and is never afraid of a challenge on the court …
Weaknesses: There is no doubt that he has many talents, but he has not yet found a niche to his game … He is a scorer, but you can’t categorize him as a shooter because he is still somewhat inconsistent, nor as a slasher because his ball handling still needs some tightening … His shooting stroke is smooth and he gets good elevation but his release is off the side of the head and he tends to fade which may be the cause of some of his shooting inconsistencies … At times he tries to do too much on his own and can throw up some ill advised shot, but it is something that should naturally change as he matures … His biggest drawback may be subpar footspeed, especially laterally … At this level he is effective defensively because he can bump the offensive player out of the driving lanes, but when he faces stronger and quicker player he may struggle staying infront of them…
by Shawn Alexander on Nov 13, 2010 2:13 PM PST reply actions
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