RUMOR: Iguodala Drawing Interest; Sixers Not Budging
Via Chris Broussard ...
The Hornets have already contacted Philadelphia about Andre Iguodala. But the Sixers, who aren't yet sure they're willing to move Iguodala, rebuffed them fairly quickly. Philadelphia's getting lots of calls about Iguodala and will have plenty of options if it decides to trade him.
A potential offer ...
New Orleans might be a viable one, with the Hornets capable of throwing in a young talent like Marcus Thornton or Marco Bellinelli alongside Stojakovic.
Kate Fagan confirms Sixers stance ...
There's been a lot of talk about including Iguodala in a trade, but as of right now, it seems the Sixers are not trying to trade Iguodala. There will need to be a change in upper management's thinking before Iguodala gets peddled because right now -- according to a source close to Iguodala -- he has been repeatedly assured that the team is not trying to trade him and does not want to trade him. Obviously, there is a difference between the Sixers trying to trade Iguodala, and a team approaching the Sixers with a great deal. There is no guard against the latter.
Trading Iguodala is the correct move, barring a pure salary dump. If the Sixers are able to trade him for a cheap young player with reasonable upside – preferably a young big man like Derrick Favors or Serge Ibaka, since they already have Jrue, Lou and Turner manning the backcourt – a draft pick and cap relief, it would be a success. As I wrote in July, the Sixers have a 2-year window to trade Andre before it potentially sets the franchise back another decade. Two years is ample time, so there's no rush, but if the Sixers are presented with a good offer they have to take it.
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would not take
the proposed thornton/peja deal even if they threw in the peja heads with it – clearly the peja part is getting the expiring and thornton would be the main part of the return but we already have lou williams, no need for thornton
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by Tanner Steidel on Nov 10, 2010 11:55 AM PST reply actions
I think Thonrton’s size and release make him a considerably better catch and shoot prospect than Lou, and as such a potential starter (although his defense is similarly an issue). I wouldn’t jump at this now, and would probably need more, but Thornton does intrigue me a little.
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by Derek Bodner on Nov 10, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
I’m looking for skillsets more than a position. They don’t have someone of Thornton’s caliber as a catch and shoot player, and that’s something they really need.
I would rather get a big, and I wouldn’t do this trade now because at this point in the season someone would need to blow me away with an offer, and this clearly isn’t it. Iw as just saying I have some interest in Thornton.
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by Derek Bodner on Nov 10, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Bidding War
For once they have the right idea…I’ve been trying to tell lames all over the internet that 6ers aren’t going to move Iggy for nothing…since it’s going to be hard for Denver to maximize Carmelo’s trade value b/c the teams he would sign with don’t have the assets that Denver wants…Iggy will be the 2nd hottest commodity out there, so why not try to beat a team in the head in order to acquire him???the sixers need what about 90% of the league needs:big men who can rebound & defend the rim, who aren’t an offensive liability….so after wasting all this time & money hoping that Iggy would develop into the star he is not, why not hold out until somebody goves you what you want…it’s about time 6ers are the ones on the recieving side of the steals
Derek/Jordan: Do you guys really think Ibaka can battle the Dwight Howards, and Shaqmaine ONeals of the East – even the Lopez’s and Amare’s?
He just seems too slight to me.
Slight isn’t a problem at all when you put yourself in good position and when your a shotblocker. Ibaka’s future as an NBA 5 is bright. He’s not a prototypical 4, unless you got a scoring 5 like Yao Ming.
by LeQuan Glover on Nov 10, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
yeh – I guess he’d be like Sammy D without the 3-point shooting illusions?
But bringing an extra 20lbs sure helps with that positioning on the boards… ask Barkley, right?
Sure, I didn’t argue that he couldn’t use some more frame to his body. Why not? You just wanna make sure he keeps his speed and athleticism. He could be a far smarter Samuel Dalembert, which would easily be a top 10-15 center in today’s NBA.
by LeQuan Glover on Nov 10, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
fair enough – which is better than Hawes. I guess I am just obsessed with Favors.
Moses Malone was my idol growing up playing ball. Him and Barkley. I’m a 6’2" 240 lb power fwd…..if only….
I love Favors and Cousins being in the NBA. We need more bigs in the league. Yes, Barkley was an underachiever. Had he bothered to develop handles he could’ve challenged Pippen as the most physical wing man in the league at his time.
by LeQuan Glover on Nov 10, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Seems to me the Sixers are thinking the right way. Iguodala is a starting 2 or 3 on a Championship team, which makes him a pretty valuable piece. Unless someone offers you a player that fills a real need it doesn’t make sense to trade him. If we could parlay Iguodala into a Favors then the Sixers would have a reason to consider it, but unless that happens, you’d get better value in keeping him.
Let’s drop the Derrick Favors act. Favors has already shown he can contribute at NBA-level competition at 19 years old. If we ignore the statistics for a minute and look at his game, Iguodala hasn’t developed much, if at all. His stats have just been inflated.
And I highly doubt these other GM’S want him that badly. He’s valuable, but if your gonna keep him oh well, there’s other cheaper alternatives.
by LeQuan Glover on Nov 10, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
So why would the Hornets want Iguodala? They have Iggy-lite in Ariza. And it makes no sense to put 2 non-shooters (Ariza/Iguodala) in the same back-court with a great PG(CP3.) Lots of talent, but mis-matched pieces- sort of like the Sixers, except the talent part :)
And for the same reason, you’d have to find a 3rd team if Ariza was in the deal. Because Ariza/Turner does not give you enough shooting either.
The Hornets- I here they have a young big, a former #10 overall pick. Maybe the Hornets throw him in to sweeten the pot :)
Ariza’s proven to be a spot-up shooter, and to have Ariza/Iguodala on the wings defensively with Emeka Okafor is very enticing.
Basically, NOH wants him as the ultimate glue-guy and roleplayer.
Ariza IMO is better, his salary is more flexible, he can actually shoot and he’s just as good of a defender. He just had a bad season in Houston.
by LeQuan Glover on Nov 10, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Ariza IMO is better, his salary is more flexible, he can actually shoot and he’s just as good of a defender. He just had a bad season in Houston.
Ariza isn’t the player Iguodala is, and it’s not debatable. You can look at traditional stats (ariza averages 13.1 pts, 6.4 rebounds, 2.8 assists with 2.0 turnovers on 44% shooting per 36 minutes for his career, Iguodala 15, 5.5 and 4.3 with 2.3 turnovers and 46.4% shooting ) or advanced stats (Iguodala’s career PER is 17 with a 0.122 WP/48 and 55.8% TS%, Ariza 14.2 with 0.095 and 51.5%), or the fact that in 6 nba seasons ariza averages 23 mpg. Iguodala plays more minutes, plays a bigger role, produces more at a per-minute clip, and does so more efficiently.
btw, last year Ariza shot 34.7% on catch and shoot jumpers (268 shots), Iguodala 39.4% (218 shots). Thank god Ariza proved he can actually shoot and Iguodala hasn’t. Thank god.
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by Derek Bodner on Nov 10, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Iguodala’s minutes and role is inflated. Because of the inflation, the stats aren’t really that credible in my eyes. Iguodala could do NOTHING as a 76er, beyond playing above his level of expected play to ever change his worth. Nevertheless, let’s discuss them.
So Ariza is a bucket inferior, equal in turnovers and the only real difference here is assists. Yes, Ariza doesn’t However, the last thing I need from my perimeter wing is to be a playmaker. I need him to be able to play off the ball.
Let’s address the 2.4 percent difference, I believe this slight difference can be attributed to poor shot selection, Trevor Ariza, like Iguodala was a high percentage roleplayer in his time as a Knick, Magic and Laker. Now, what he was in Houston and New Orleans is a #2/3 option on offense. And like Iguodala before him, he’ll have to develop in this sense. However, because of the solid 3pt shooting he did for the Lakers in terms of corner situations, I imagine he’ll be able to develop further than Iguodala did. Small sample size but he’s already shooting 37.5% this year from 3.
Indeed, both players have a tendency to struggle in isolation situations.
With most of these stats, we’re grasping at straws. You’re gonna grasp at your straw and I’m gonna grasp at mine. PER, to me means nothing. Mathematical calculations CANNOT determine a player’s effectiveness. But the fact that Ariza’s 14.2 is only 2.8 off of Iguodala’s, it’s fair to say Ariza is an equally effective player.
Equally speaking 0.095, I’m going to use mathematical rule and bump that up to a 0.100 WP/48. There’s only a .22 difference between them.
True Shooting Percentage, if I’m correct that combines all factors of shooting(FG%, FT% and 3pt shooting, right?). This reveals another one of Ariza’s weaknesses, the 4% difference is found in the free throw shooting, where Ariza has struggled for his career. Being somewhere around a mid-60’s to maybe early 70’s% FT shooter.
I also think Ariza sabotages himself. In these last two seasons, nearly half of his
shot attempts are 3pters. While he hits them at a good percentage(the advantage he has over Iguodala), the four or so misses on average really kill his FG%,
It’s for that reason Ariza got 50 more catch and shoot shots than Iguodala.
Ariza would be a better scorer if he increased his ft percentage and if he had better shot selection.
Actually, I figure he’d be a 15-17 PPG scorer if he made those corrections to his game: Surprisingly, right around the average of one: Andre Iguodala.
And as we know, he has the potential to be a good 3pt shooter, which is what a wing man needs to have to be successful.
Iguodala’s stats are inflated, Ariza’s are deflated. In reality, Ariza is Iguodala’s equal and could develop to be his superior.
After all, this is only Ariza’s 2nd year in this whole: Be an option thing. And he’s already improved his shooting percentage. Now he needs to understand which shots to take and he’ll in no time at all equal Iguodala’s “scoring output”.
But even so, I value Ariza’s potential 15-17 PPG higher. Why? I feel like Ariza actually would have earned it. He could create shots for himself, hit the 3 ball etc. Ariza would be able to make an offensive impact on the game.
Whereas I feel like Iguodala’s been jacked up by this system. He’s not anywhere near as good as his stats indicate.
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by LeQuan Glover on Nov 10, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
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by Michael Levin on Nov 10, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
How are rate stats and per minute stats inflated by playing more minutes?
I don’t understand how you can say a career 32.4% 3-point shooter is a better shooter than a career 32.1% 3-point shooter.
Ariza is 1.5 years younger than Iguodala. What makes you think he has so much more room for development?
Bill Simmons’ idea is James Harden & Morris Peterson’s expiring for Iguodala.
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harden’s interesting but I’d like either the Clippers first rounder that OKC owns or Serge included in that
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by Tanner Steidel on Nov 10, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Actually he did suggest that the Thunder should throw in a first round pick if that’s what it took.
Would give OKC an elite defender and re-unite 3 of the 4 best players from the US world champion team.
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Go to Orlando and get Gortat and Ryan Anderson. Give em Iggy and Speights or Hawes. We have our tough center and heir to Brand in Anderson. Put Turner in the starting lineup and draft a small forward/Shooting guard to grow alongside him.
Over simplified crap? Of course. Particularly since Orlando won’t budge when discussing Gortat and I have no idea how the numbers match. That, and I’m a little drunk.

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