Trading Dalembert was a big mistake!
by cowboyny on Oct 7, 2010 5:32 PM PDT
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On the day Samuel Dalembert was traded to the Kings many were upset of what the team received in return. Was the trade a cap savings move, was it to get rid of a disgruntled player, was it getting compensation for a player who would leave via free agency after this season? Nobody truely knows, but what the team lost was a defensive presence in the paint who was an above average defensive rebounder & shotblocker. Yes, Dalembert would never been a offensive weapon for this team or have a high basketball IQ, but leaves the team with absolutely nothing underneath our basket. I wouldn't be surprised if the team is dead last in the rebounding, shot blocking statistics at the end of the season. Finding such a Center isn't easy to find and they do not come along to often to draft either.
When you look at the current Sixer Roster, it has an abundance of tweener wing players. How many darn small forwards, two guards does this team actual have? I know it is extremely early, but Evan Turner doesn't look like a #2 pick overall in the draft. If the team would of kept Daly and drafted either Favors or Cousins, the team would look that much better. I know this is a season to evaluate our roster, but it appears to me that the team may have taken steps backward, not forward. It is going to be a very long season with another year without hope of doing anything. Frustrated like the rest of the fan base.
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Wait a minute, we have two guards? The only one I’d classify as a 2 guard is Jodie Meeks, as of now. Nocioni’s still nursing his injury and I’m not sure how much time Kapono has gotten in the two games. So there’s very few perimeter shooters out there, little slashing. And I’d guess the ball movement is probably stale.
Now, Hawes has his strong points but when we acquired Hawes it was imperative we get a second shot blocking big. Instead, Tony Battie is wasting a roster spot. I love you Collins :)
It's a bad sign when there's already a Sam Dalembert nostalgia movement
This coming from one of Sam’s biggest fans (even got a #1 Sixers jersey which I wore despite the ridicule). No shooting. No rebounding. No defense. Evan giving us cause for legitimate concern. Still no solution on what to do with Iggy. Or Elton. Or even Lou Williams. Jrue had a good month last year, but his potential is still a big question mark. I’d say the sky is falling, but where’s the sky been with this time in the past 8 or 9 years? The glory days of the O’Brien regime?
We should just buy into the league’s push of Kevin Durant as “the anti-LeBron”. I have no beefs with Westbrook or Jeff Green, either. Go Thunder….
I strongly disagree. While I agree we need a center, we do not need Sam. We are a young team and Sam was an expiring contract that was not going to be renewed.
Give it time, it is way too early to jump off the bridge.
by DeanH on Oct 7, 2010 7:28 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The mistake was not trading away Sam.
Sam was not part of the future. He was gone this coming summer as a FA anyway. No real issue in sending him away a year early- especially if he is going to be a distraction.
IMO the real mistake/failure is Stefanski failing to address interior defense through his moves over the last 3 seasons. He knew Sam was not the long term option. So why, now that he is gone, is there absolutely no center on the roster with any sort of defensive pedigree.
Like I wrote in my other post,, there have been numerous legit 7’ defensive prospects drafted 25-50 i the last few drafts. Six players in the last draft alone (Orton, Plieb, Pittman, Jordan, Whiteside and Alabi), and we sold away Fasenko 3 years ago.
It was negligent to have never brought in at least a developmental prospect as a defensive center. Instead, they are left with players that were known to not have defensive credentials (Players like Hawes, Speights, Smith.)
I see your point, and I agree,
except we got rid of Smith, which I think you knew though.
I’m indifferent about the trade with Sammy.
We trade him— get SOME sort of value back while we can, and potentially (key word: potentially) get a solid starting center.
We don’t trade him— if we don’t trade him, I’d assume it’d be similar to Andre Miller last year; we get nothing in return… but at least we get rid of him. Since we’ve wanted to trade him for so long I really can’t blame Stefanski for pulling the trigger on this trade; Sammy really isn’t part of the future, so why not get at least something for him?
Obviously we’ll find out how that pans out, but if you want me to jump to conclusions we could have done much better…. Hawes is only 22, but at the same time I don’t think he’ll ever be a defensive threat on a championship caliber team.. Nocioni just made the contracts match.
On the topic of jumping to conclusions— My extremely forth-coming conclusion— Turner will sadly be a bust. He possessed the skills to dominate at the college level, but I feel that he reached his peak last year at Ohio State. He is truly a 6’7" point guard, and will not quite learn how to play off the ball. If you compare the 1st and 2nd pick, John Wall is just a pure athlete. Turner is a college basketball player. I believe there is a difference in the two; athletes are versatile and can adjust to any skill level. Turner knew what it took to excel at the college level and earned himself the 2nd pick in the draft; too bad the NBA is completely different from college ball. I think he may play decently at point guard in the NBA, but I would take Jrue over Evan any day at the 1.
Dear Evan Turner,
Please prove me wrong on the above statement about you; I believe you have it in you if you bust nuts and do whatever it takes to excel at the pro level alongside Jrue Holiday.
Sincerely,
Jason Greathouse
P.S. Four lokos make you crazy ese.
Let the Jruth be told.
by guitarmouse35 on Oct 8, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, the Smith part was confusing. I meant that when this team acquires bigs, it seems to go for guys who are known to be weak in terms of defense and rebounding. Even when drafted, Smith and Speights were both thought of as “offensive” centers who could shoot but not protect the rim.
As for the Sam trade- I agree that trading him was not a huge deal either way- since he was going to be gone in a year. The problem was not having a legit defensive center in place, not drafting a potential replacement, and thinking Hawes can be the replacement.
As for Nocioni- it was about money and the luxury tax. The Sixers were willing to sacrifice cap space in the summer of 2011 to get under the tax for this season. Which was the true reason for the Sam trade. Without the trade, the team would be over the tax this season. And being 2M over the tax costs them 8m (2M X2 + 4M lost profit sharing that goes to teams under the tax.)
Exactly. We keep acquiring the same type of player (offensive minded) and try to make them good at defense. Last time I checked that doesn’t pan out the way it’s supposed to.. but for our ownership, it’s really all about money in the end; which is why it will take a stroke of luck for us to ever contend for a title anytime soon.
Let the Jruth be told.
by guitarmouse35 on Oct 10, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks.....
about Sammy Dalembert , all i have to say is thankyou , thankyou , thankyou. we love him here in Sacramento. hope hawes and nocioni can help out the 76ers , but i’m just excited about sammy , cousins , whiteside. sammy is make a positive impact on the team , glad we have him.
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