The Off-Season: What would you have done differently?
by jsams on Jul 24, 2009 6:54 PM PDT
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This off-season has been disappointing to many Sixers fans. Some have gone as far as labeling it "Dookie". Here's your chance to show off your GM skillz, and construct the perfect off-season -- hypothetically speaking.
I would like to know what you would have done differently. Everything from the coaching search to the Summer League has to be covered.
To make it easier for you aspiring GMs, I'll give you six categories to operate with:
Head Coach
Hire a coach.
Re-Signing
Choose which Sixer free agents to re-sign and which to let walk.
Draft
Select a player with pick 17. No trades. Hypothetical trades get too complicated.
Free Agency
Sign player(s) using the Mid-Level. Or don't.
Summer League
Orlando or Vegas? Or both? Which guys would you send/invite?
Fill out the roster
Fill out the rest of the roster with league minimum guys -- veterans or young-ins.
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It's as simple as that. If you're one of the fans who lose sleep because of this off-season, tell us what you, the new Sixers GM, would have done differently.
Off you go.
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Buy the Hornets trade paul to the sixers :) ....
just came to say, My condolences for your loss of andre…..
I’m sure he will be missed greatly.
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"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
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by faith on Jul 24, 2009 7:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what is your opinion of andre's 3 ball?
if it’s to sore of a subject right now, I understand, but given my loyalties I’m really stoked about this.
sorry for only commin over to …. ask about andre… from what I’ve read ya’ll got a nice site and some knowledgable fans :)
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"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
by faith on Jul 24, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
kiss ass..
nah, i’m sure that most of us would agree with me by saying that his 3-ball is obviously inconsistent and almost nonexistent. he might take 2 a game if he’s feeling the “3-ball vibe” and he might actually hit it but he probably wont…
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by Remis on Jul 24, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think he’s a better three point shooter than his percentage says he is. all his threes last year seemed to come at the end of the shot clock.
he also made some big time clutch threes this year.
he doesn’t need to take em in Portland though. they have plenty of shooters. I expect 12-7 numbers from dre.
he’s a real solid PG. you guys will like him, but be prepared for a realllly slow start to the season. you’ve been warned.
by jsams on Jul 24, 2009 8:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
LoL Thanks for the warning
I’ll let Coach Nate know to start Blake(we all know that isn’t happening) and he will listen…
Only because of what you told me! =)
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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 25, 2009 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think it's a conditioning thing? like during the offseason he chills too much and he'll show up out of shape?
n if that’s all it is, … I’m not sure when we’ll start practicing but over the past few seasons we’ve started almost a month earlier than other teams… ( I think, or a few days? lol I dunno but I know portland started early for the past 2 seasons) except for joel for some reason… who stayed in minni for … most of the pre preseason report to camp camp. if I’m remembering right.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
by faith on Jul 25, 2009 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And i think our off season sucks mainly because it kind of does suck (sorry for the madden moment) but more importantly, compared to the Eagles, it really sucked; most sixers fans are probably eagles fans as well and IMHO the sixers are really kind of quiet compared to what the eagles have done in Their off season and what the Phillies are doing right now just being active around the trade deadline. also, we were kind of used to last off season where we had Extremely high hopes after not only signing EB, but also signing players almost the same way the Celtics did after they got Garnett. almost like players were jumping on OUR bandwagon and it kind of gave me a warm feeling in my stomach similiar to alcahol consumption..so in short.. this off season does indeed suck, but i don’t think that it’s truly as bad as it is perceived to be.
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by Remis on Jul 24, 2009 8:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How much does it suck really?
We should take a sigh of relief that we didn’t make the mistake of giving Miller a 3 year deal. I like him and would have loved to see him back for another year… but 3? Please…
Most people seem to like Holliday’s upside. I think Eddie Jordan has the ability to put his system in here and build something around it.
None of these things are likely to make the team a winner next year, but in a two or three years it could. Jordan has the guys playing his way, Holliday has developed into a starter, and we aren’t stuck with Miller’s contract… plus won’t Dalembert’s contract be off the books in two years?
by JasonB on Jul 24, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually 2 years with a team option on the 3rd year.....
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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jul 25, 2009 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEAH SO IN YOUR FACE JASON
(jk and whatnot)
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 25, 2009 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
na man it sucks. me and you know first hand, the eagles are making stefanski look horrible right now with their front office’s work
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by Remis on Jul 25, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s also a totally different situation. The Eagles aren’t saddled by garbage contracts like Dalembert and Willie Green, and even if they were, the NFL salary cap is much more forgiving. Also, the Eagle build through the draft, which is much easier to do in the NFL where you can get productive players in late rounds, or even undrafted. That and winning the offseason doesn’t translate to anything. Ed Stefanski knows all about that…
by zfg on Jul 26, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest difference between the NFL and NBA is the fact that bad contracts can be ‘cut’ in the NFL and you’re stuck with em in the NBA…
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by jemagee on Jul 26, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how would you grade ES overall since he took over?
B-
Good intentions but has not turned out for the best. Somewhat like how BK started.
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by tk76 on Jul 25, 2009 9:16 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
B- is fair. This season will show how good or bad the Elton signing really was.
by jsams on Jul 25, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giving him anything above a C indicates tht he’s been an above average GM since he took the job…I don’t see that at all.
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by jemagee on Jul 25, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given where the Sixers were when ES got the job, he hasn’t really done much any other average GM wouldn’t have done. Nothing stands out to make him “above average”. I agree that a C is in order.
by chillicothe20 on Jul 25, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My offseason
Head Coach
Tom Thibodeau
Re-Signing
Miller, but only if he’ll take 2 at $8M per or less. No 3-year deals (a team option could be OK) and no more than $8M. If he won’t go for that, push hard for an S&T that gets Blake. Also, keep Ivey if possible. Maybe 2 years at $4 or 5M per. Also, would definitely still make the Evans-for-Kapono trade.
Draft
Holiday. Too obvious – at a position of need, and just sitting there. Would be a tough choice over Maynor, though.
Free Agency
Make a run at Gortat, although Orlando would likely have matched a Sixers offer just as they did with the Mavs. Jarrett Jack wouldn’t have been awful, but Bibby for 2 would have been a top choice. Also, wouldn’t necessarily have been upset with throwing the mid-level for 3 or 4 years at Anthony Parker to replace Willie. If we take it from where we are now, I’d like to see about half the mid-level offered to CJ Watson, Juan Dixon, or Ray Felton (in that order), for 2 or 3 years; the other half, offer to Ike Diogu.
Summer League
I don’t know too much about the other prospects, but from what I know I think they made fine choices on the invitees/roster. Not at all a fan of the joint team, though; would have sent a full squad to Vegas, or if budget is a real problem, then a full squad to Orlando. But a full team either way.
Fill out the roster
If none of the PG or C options work out above, sign Carlos Arroyo, Anthony Carter (is he still available?), Brevin Knight, or Jason Hart for PG (in that order), and Ryan Hollins, Aaron Gray, Adonal Foyle, or Primoz Brezec for C (again, in that order).
by Saul on Jul 26, 2009 5:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So best case scenario we’re looking at:
PG – Miller, Ivey, Jrue
SG – Iguodala, Lou, C.J. Watson
SF – Thad, Kapono
PF – Brand, Speights
C – Dalembert, Smith, Diogu
by jsams on Jul 26, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d hit that
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by Remis on Jul 26, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason
that I didn’t include “trade Willie and Sam” is that, unfortunately, I believe that to be basically impossible.
by Saul on Jul 27, 2009 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of a quiet one, eh?
I feel like you guys are kind of hamstrung in what you could do. Kapono seems like a good fit for you, and seems like Reggie kind of was on the outs as far as fans go. Draft is a wash since no one will have a spot on opinion until 3 years from now (I like Jrue, but after that sentence it seems like a waste of time to write). Jordan, I know nothing about. If he can find a way to work Brand into your line-up and actually improve the team as a whole, I say he’s worth the money. You guys still have problems at the 1 of course. That is the thorn in your side. I hope it works out for the best there. There are still prospects and it seems like you guys know a lot more about them than I do. Really I’m just writing to say I’ve been reading your stuff all summer, just haven’t been posting. Now that we got Miller I thought I would let you know that I’m stoked. I know that guy won you over despite not getting off to a good start. I’m kind of the same way, as I wanted the team to take a run at Sessions, but it’s difficult to be disappointed with Miller. See you around.
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by einman77 on Jul 27, 2009 5:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tom Thibodeau has gone two offseasons as the ‘hot name’ and still not gotten a job. I’m starting to wonder if there’s some flaw in who he is when he interviews that turns teams off.
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by jemagee on Jul 27, 2009 7:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
williams, holiday, ollie/lue/knight
iguodala, murray, green
thad, kapono, udoka
brand, speights
dalembert, smith, voskhul/hollins/mbenga
i would not mind the above signings. the advantage of sigining ollie over the other two is getting a guy who could teach lou. lou played better when ollie was on the team as a tutor. murray can shoot. udoka can shoot and defend. the big guy to sign is a toss up.
by el on Jul 27, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d have made this trade.
Seriously, there’s not much else out there they could do. It’s not the greatest of offseasons, true. But Miller, regardless, doesn’t fit in to Eddie Jordan’s offense very well. Holliday is the team’s future.. get a guy for a year or two and let Jrue at it after that.
This isn’t a team that’s going to compete in the next year or two. Even after re-signing Miller. So let Portland pay all that money. Get a guy to play the point for a couple of years until Holliday is ready.
My biggest argument this season was with the hiring of Eddie Jordan. I think I might’ve preferred Thibodeau. But as stated above, considering how many jobs Thibodeau has been up for, and how he hasn’t gotten one yet… I think the GMs out there might know something we don’t.
by wildcatlh on Jul 27, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stil doesn’t work – just tell us what it was
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by jemagee on Jul 27, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is the most unrealistic trade ever
We get Dwight Howard, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Anthony Johnson. Heat get Thad Young, Jason Smith, and Sam Dalembert. Cavs get Elton Brand and Willie Green. Magic get Andre Iguodala and Lou Williams
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by The Legend on Jul 28, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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