Unsubstantiated Sixer Rumor #395720
[From the FanShots. Here's a very intriguing Sixers rumor on a slow day. The rumor of the rumor (yeah, this is ugly) is that the Sixers would be willing to package Thad Young and Sam Dalembert in a deal for "an elite guard" (The obvious choice being Joe Johnson). Now this isn't just any rumor -- this comes straight from the mouth (or keyboard) of alleged Sixers insider, "sixersfan1976". Apparently this guy has been correct before, but I've never witnessed it, so take it for what it's worth.
Unsubstantiated or not, as John pointed out, it makes for an interesting debate and it gives out little minds a break from the draft and the Princeton Offense.
I say the deal makes us instant championship contenders. You say? -ed.]
My gut tells me the 'unnamed elite 2 guard' is Joe Johnson
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Apparently this guy's been right before.
But never on my watch. We’ll just have to wait and see, but my gut tells me this stays a rumor.
by jsams on Jun 3, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, so it’s a made up trade like all the others, but more interesting than beating the draft to death
Johnson salary wise matches up pretty much exact to sam and thad
Johnson also only has one year left on his deal
If they re-sign miller
Miller
Johnson
Iguodala
Brand
Speights/Smith
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 3, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked earlier today, i forget he’s like 28/29
Are they campionship contenders?
Defensively worse at center (i mean – sure it’s sam but still worse
Integrating Brand
Integrating new offense
If Johnson doesn’t re-sign it’s a one year rental and that’s an awful lot of overhaul in one season
Not to mention – the bench is still crap :)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 3, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have confidence that Ed would work out an extension before the deal is made.
Thad is a huge piece to give up.
by jsams on Jun 3, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but if you think about it, this is the only kind of deal the sixers really are going to make to vastly improve their team – can’t get something for nothing…hawks have liked sam in the past supposedly – need a center and maybe they like thad as a future 3 for with all their PFs?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 3, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying.
Ed can’t just give away Thad unless he locks JJ up.
by jsams on Jun 3, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the hawks says ’we’re saving you 13 million dollars that you don’t have to pay sam’ and the sixers take the risk go get out from under sam.
What happens to the sixers if they have an extra 14 million in cap for 2010?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 3, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yes, championship contenders.
If not next year, then the year after. (Assuming JJ re-signs.)
by jsams on Jun 3, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no no – be clear
I believe the rumor is sam and thad for ‘an elite 2 guard’
i put 2 and 2 together regarding salaries and who woud realistically be available and got joe johnson
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 3, 2009 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
RE: SF1976
He has gotten a lot of stuff right, and had info that did not get into the media until days later. I would say he’s a good source.
That said, I don’t know what they think “elite off-guard” means in the context of this convo. Johnson? K-Mart? I am not too found of either for a potential beast like Thad.
by RSWKnight on Jun 3, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll take proven over potential any day.
JJ preferably, because he’s done it on the big stage before. Who knows what K-Mart does on a good team.
Plus JJ’s only 28.
by jsams on Jun 3, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One guy no one's mentioning is Manu.
In that case, I’d stay away. Too old and too injured.
by jsams on Jun 3, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t believe the Spurs have the ‘need’ for a center to take on crappy Sams contract – not to mention they like Manu.
The Hawks have need of a center (and a SF actually) it’s one reason I picked Johnson – not just the salaries matching :)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 3, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we get JJ great, but...
we have been called instant contenders before, like this past season after we signed Brand, but have never lived up to expectations. Lets just wait and see I guess.
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by dolphin341 on Jun 3, 2009 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yea you are right about that
if brand would have had more time to adjust to all of the running, I’m sure we would have been what we were expected to be. Finally we agree on something lol
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by dolphin341 on Jun 3, 2009 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
More importantly, if we makes this trade, no more sam, and as we all know the sixers will just stink if that happens
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 3, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
alright...
arent I entitled to my opinion? The main point that I was trying to get across was that Sam was an important part to the fastbreak because he is one of the quicker centers in the league. lol
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by dolphin341 on Jun 3, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to freak yo uall out he had another one today that i absolutely DO NOT believe is real cause if it were stefanski would have said yes already
Willie Green for JR Giddens and Tony Allen
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 3, 2009 8:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Less money and WILLIE GREEN GONE – how is that lame?:)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 4, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wrote it wrong.
From a pure trade standpoint, I’d love it, obviously. As you said, there’s no way Stefanski turns that down, so it’s obviously false.
What I meant to say is, that rumor is lame. If you’re gonna make something up, give me something better than Green for Giddens and Allen.
Like the ‘elite guard’ trade. Now that’s juicy.
by jsams on Jun 4, 2009 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, so lame that it’s not worth making up.
But at the same time, is Danny Ainge really that stupid?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 4, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just kind of realized… that whatever major move we make, if we do indeed make it, i’m probably going to support it just because it’s major lol
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by Remis on Jun 3, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One of those guys huh?
I used to be the same way.
by jsams on Jun 3, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Thad
Please. I think it’s still way to early to give up the Iguodala-Thad at the wings. Pickup a second round pick and draft a shooting 2 guard. Don’t trade Thad, I’ll shed epic tears.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jun 3, 2009 11:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trading Thad for a guy who’s nearly 30 would make me a sad panda.
by zfg on Jun 4, 2009 5:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I personally like Thad BUT I the book is still out on him. If there is an extension signed on Joe Johnson, I would definitely do the trade. Without an extension, no, it is not worth giving up Thad.
One more point, in order to get better, we are going to have to give up one of our guys (and sorry, trading Sammy for Dwight Howard is not going to happen). If I had to give up one of our prospects, Thad would be the one. We have Iggy and Speights still and unless Iggy moves to the 2, someone is going to be on the bench.
So, do the trade if an extension is part of the deal.
by DeanH on Jun 4, 2009 7:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Iguodala can play the 2
There’s no “if.” He and Thad should be the wing players, both of their jump shots are improving as well as their ball handling. A blanket statement made by the general populous saying he can’t play SG is asinine.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jun 4, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iggy playing the 2..
and playing the 2 WELL are completely different things.. he could play it but he doesn’t have the ability to consistently knock down long-range jumpers that you need in a 2-guard.. he’s perfect for the 3 and i really don’t see why anyone would want him playing the 2 or, god forbid, the point
WFC
by stillhotish on Jun 5, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Iguodala at the point than at the 2 any day.
Think of his skill set – not a great shooter, but can handle the ball well, pass, drive and dish, etc.
I think for the Princeton offense we will be taking on next season, we need to worry less about each player’s position and what that positions’ traditional duties/abilities are, and concentrate more on who can 1. drive and dish, 2. make open shots (bill, get back on the bench), and 3. MOST IMPORTANTLY- move WITHOUT the ball.
After considering this, my infatuation with drafting Ty Lawson has somewhat diminished. The new thought of drafting Terrence Williams has almost overtaken my original favorite in Ty Lawson. I’d be very happy with either of them.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 5, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want him playing the two because you want to put your 5 best players on the court
And Thaddeus Young is without question one of our 5 best players. So unless Thad plays the 4, ‘Dre is a 2-guard. Thad is solid as a PF but he can be a star as a small forward. It doesn’t make sense to have him play less minutes because the guy in front of him is not a stellar shooter. They are both improving and EJ promises even more improvements with him as coach. With that in mind, it doesn’t make sense to delegate Young to the bench. You can bring up Lamar Odom, as I’m sure you will, but the Lakers have the luxury of having better players than we do, so they can think about powering their bench with a starter-caliber player.
The lame argument about needing to be a great shooter to be a SG is the same one used by baseball fans that don’t think Jason Donald’s bat would play at 3rd base because he doesn’t have enough power. It’s stupid, especially because we get more power out of our middle infielders than most of the league. If we get a point guard that can stretch the floor, it alleviates AI’s average shooting ability (which, as I said, is improving). If Jason Smith and Marreese Speights step outside and hit some, it doesn’t matter that Iguodala is only an average 3-point shooter. They’re basketball players. Some do specified things better than others, but the object is to put your 5 best basketball players on the court. Here’s a starting lineup for a team made up of just specified talents:
1. PG – Brevin Knight (ballhandling, distributor)
2. SG – JJ Redick (3-point shooting)
3. SF – Corey Maggette (slashing, athleticism)
4. PF – Brandon Bass (low post game, toughness)
5. C – Erick Dampier (rebounding, defense)
Those are typical characteristics that players of each position are supposed to provide. Clearly this is not a good basketball team. My point is that Iguodala at the 2 makes us a better basketball team. Benching Thaddeus Young makes us……wait for it….. asinine (that’s the incorrect use but I was giving Jordan some love).
And as for drafting Terrence Williams, his skill set is almost exactly the same as Iguodala’s, except he’s slightly worse at everything. It makes no sense for us to take him at 17.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jun 5, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Although I do agree with most of the things you said, you were still missing my original points.
1. I never mentioned Thaddeus Young and bench at all in my post. I am talking about Andre Iguodala playing the point guard position as opposed to the shooting guard position. So… you kinda missed that. Therefore, I don’t need to bring up Lamar Odom, because Thad would be starting.
2. Another point I was trying to make was that for the Princeton offense is that you do not need a traditional line-up like you just described. Since the Princeton offense is more about movement and who can hit the shots when they’re open, I can’t think of why you’d absolutely need that kind of traditional line-up.
Andre Iguodala’s shooting is improving – at a slower rate than it should. He has his nights, but he’s too inconsisent. Will this coming year be different? One can only hope.
The likelyhood of drafting T Will is small, especially since there is a better player for us. He, along with T Will, worked out with the sixers on friday. On Comcast Sportsrise, he was the featured player of the workout. If this player is drafted then Iguodala would then move to the 2 spot, and rightfully so. Who is this mystery man? The future point guard of the sixers, hopefully. I am still in favor of drafting him don’t get me wrong, but if he’s gone and no other decent point guards are there (flynn, holliday, maynor), then I’d draft T Will.
Again, my original point is that if we don’t resign miller, and if for some strange reason we draft T Will, taking into account the Princeton offense and his skill set, Iguodala is better suited at the 1 than the 2. THADDEUS YOUNG STARTS AT THE 3.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 6, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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