Moving On - Free Agency
by jemagee on Jun 29, 2009 1:29 PM PDT
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Ok...I'm not sure about all of you, but I feel like the 'drafting Jrue Holiday' debate has been beaten to death and no one has won or lost because no one could win or lose. It takes maybe 3 years to figure out how guys are really going to turn out - especially drafted that low. So until then, there are other issues the sixers have to deal with.
I supposed that we could talk about summer league, but I don't want to. I find it irritating and a waste of time right now. The sixers are working with the Nets which means it'll be a mish mash of players and who knows what else and I find it no more interesting than a pick up game. I'd rather the Sixers do some kind of OTA like in the NFL for a week, I think they'd get more out of it than this stuff. Run 5 on 5s with players on the team together. To me, summer league is more of a waste of time then usual - though maybe Holiday and Speights get some time together.
I'm going by memory here, but I think free agency opens on July 1st, but there's a 'signing moratorium' until July 8th. You can agree but you can't make it official.
Now, let's remember the basics, the sixers have no cap room, but they have room under the luxury tax. Depending on who you believe, Comcast is or isn't willing to pay the luxury tax, I fall in the category that believes Comcast isn't willing to pay the luxury tax.
The numbers aren't set yet, according to what I've read, but the cap/tax levels aren't likely to move much if at all this off season so the sixers probably have about 8-9 million left before paying the tax as I understand it.
As I three it there's at least three issues that the sixers have to deal with, two immediately and one is kind of a luxury they don't have to fill this year. It's a 'contending teams' issue per se:
- Starting Point Guard
- Center
- Bench
Point Guard
Wherever you stand on the Jrue Holiday debate, I think we can all agree that he probably won't be ready to start once the season starts. A new way of life, a new place, a new coach, a new system, he's going to be pretty busy. Andre Miller would be the 'easiest' to keep cause the sixers can afford to offer him more but there's the pesky salary cap and the whole 'he doesn't fit the system' issues. Plus he's old and I don't think he'd sign a two year deal, or three, and I don't want the sixers to sign anyone for more than three years. I see the next point guard as a place holder until Holiday is ready (All star break 2011 is my prediction) to take over the reins. There are a lot of point guards out there that might be 'gettable' but for one reason or another I don't think they're viable. Sessions will want too much money, Kidd will want to win. One named bandied about is Brevin Knight, which is an interesting stop gap as long as you're willing to take on a point guard who shoots worse than Andre Miller (seriously, dude has a sub 15% 3 point FG% for his career if I read the numbers right), but he is a solid pass first point guard who can play some defense. Not ideal of course, but the ideal point guard isn't available for the sixers this off season. I don't know anything about Jamal Tinsley except that Indiana hates him and has been looking to dump him for over a year now - if they would be willing to take on problem number 2 - why the hell not - unless his contract runs until like 2015.
Center
Sam Dalembert has to go, while he may be adequate defensively, he will kill the new offense that Eddie Jordan will want to instigate. When Jordan was hired, I felt it was the 'death knell' for three players as sixers. One of them is gone (Evans) one is relegated to the bench and hopefully no more than 10 MPG (Green) and then there is Dalembert. The rumored (bs?) bobcats trade never happened, and honestly, I don't think it would have helped. Mohammed is terrible offensively too but doesn't bring the defense even Sam Dalembert brings. So yes, the sixers need to upgrade center and trade Sam, but they can upgrade the center position without HAVING to trade Sam, yet, and they has the money to do it. One Polish Hammer later of the Orlando Magic. Restricted free agent, Orlando probably can't match a solid deal to him after ruining their team last week with the trade for Vince Carter. Chad Ford projects that he'll get 14-16 on the open market which sounds like less than MLE for 3 years I think. I sign him for 4 at least and offer him much more - according to one poster on another board the sixers could give him like 35 million over the life of his contract. This is a position of need right now with options right now. I think the primary target this off season has to be Gortat. That's just me.
Bench
The sixers need two things off the bench, shooters and defense. They added a shooter (Kapono) who doesn't do much else by giving up little to nothing that isn't easy to replace. Jason Smith might come back healthy and provide some outside shooting (but I don't think 3's) and speights may progress defensively but these aren't htings you can count on. Lou and Will doen't shoot or defend very well, and if you can improve either of those by trading them, more power to them. As for Lou Williams as point guard, I don't buy it, it's been 2 season with various amounts of attempting and none of it is working and as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't progress either. It's a failed experiment in my opinion, don't keep trying it. To paraphrase:
Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
So yes, I think it would be insane to keep running Lou Williams out as point guard and he should be the third point guard after draft night and a free agent being signed. But improving the bench, in the short term, like I said, it's a luxury, the sixers aren't really going to contend next year in my opinion (i've stated why repeatedly, if someone reads all the way to this and is interesting, I'll explain again in the comments.
So that's it, I guess, a little 'priming the pump' to start off the free agency discussion. I went purely from memory here, I don't know which free agents are available at all the positions off the top of my head and the moneys are just estimations, but I think there are two things that have to be done this offseason, to sum up:
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- Get a point guard - to mentor holiday
- Get a center who can defend but has offensive skill
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One other thing, and if you think this makes me not a fan, whatever. I don't think if the sixers miss the playoffs next year it would be a bad thing. LIke I said, they aren't championship contenders, so being in the lottery wouldn't be horrible. If Chad Ford has any credibility with you, next years draft is deep in big men (you know, big men, like centers, like the sixers migth need). Now, I'm not saying I want the sixers to lose, I just am not worried about the won loss record as much as I am worried about the following:
- The continued development of Thaddeus young as a three towards stardom
- Integration of Elton Brand as a sixer, and a fully healthy season after some freak injuries, as a power forward
- Andre Iguodalas continued (and still increasing) development as a shooting guard.
- Speights and Holiday progressing as I hope and believe they will
- Learning the system, the new Jordan system, and getting it backwards and forwards
To me those 5 things are more important than whatever record the sixers have next year.
I could say more about other things - but I kind of wanted to focus this on free agency, and since i tend to ramble and meander, I'll just stop now.
Thanks for reading, I know some of you think all I do is criticize, but really I don't - I swear - so feel free to rip this apart :)
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NOTE: I am no expert on cap and money available so just throwing ideas out there.
I agree PG is #1.
My top 3 PG to sign:
1) Andre Miller- 3yr deal with mutual option for a 4th yr sounds good to me.
2) Jason Kidd- 2 yr deal at max, he shot over 40% from three plus can still pass the ball.
3) Mike Bibby- a possibility for a year, maybe two (still a good player and shot 39% from three).
Center:
Why sign a guy in Gortat with no starting experience (actually 3 games), when (if possible) you could sign Okur. He can shoot, which we need (44.6% from 3 last yr), Let me remind you that Jordan spoke of him in press conference (if I remember correctly) Looks like he will opt out of 9 mill, so even if took increase would still be in same region of 15 million. Though I’d say we are not going to make any changes for a center as no one will take Sammy and money is locked up with him.
Bench is hard to say who to pick up etc.
by fantasybc88 on Jun 29, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, let’s take this one at a time.
First, the sixers only have the MLE left, they can’t offer anyone more than the MLE value (not set yet) as a base salary unless it’s Andre miller. So there’s no max to offer anyone. There’s no cap room.
- Andre Miller – I wouldn’t give him 3 years with a fourth option, i might give him 2 with a third, but as a last resort, I don’t like him any more and I thik he’s a bad mentor for HOliday, he’s weak defensively and doesn’t pass enough for Jordans offense
- Jason Kidd – See above, can’t offer him the MAX and can’t see him playing 2 years in philly for the MLE when he could get a 2 year MLE deal somewhere else (Cleveland maybe) closer to winning or more money from Dallas
- Mike Bibby – Hadn’t thought of him, he’s being pushed out the door in Atlanta, if Portland doesn’t want him he might be job hunting…might be a good 2 year stop gap
- Gortat – backing up Howard in Orlando doesn’t get you much starting time – that’s now how I’d evaluate him – look at what he’s done when he’s on the court. Sam Dalembert starts, but on a good basketball team he’d never start…it’s not whether you start or not in my mind but how you do on the court
- Mehmet Okur – see Kidd reasoning – except that he’ll want many years – and ha another option for money in that a country like turkey calls and would offer big bucks for him to play back home.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 29, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
niiice piece
http://www.libertyballers.com/
by Remis on Jun 29, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Didn’t want people to think all I can do is comment :)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 29, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have ESPN Insider you can Click Here to see Chad Ford review the majority of the relevant free agents.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 29, 2009 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
bringing back A.I.
if Miller goes is Iverson “The Answer” (i had to)
i’m just saying. he’s an experienced vet who could tutor Jrue to be a true point guard and wouldn’t be a bad fit in the Princeton offense
by sports00fan00 on Jun 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t take this the wrong way, but how could Iverson tutor Jrue Holiday to be a ‘true point guard’. Allen Iverson isn’t a true point guard – he’s a shooting guard in a point guards body, a volume shooter with a bad percentage who over plays on defense to get steals as opposed to playing solid defense. He only works in one kind of offense – the 2001 sixers – that’s not an insult – that’s just a fact.
In my opinion he’d be the worst option to mentor Holiday, worse than ANdre Miller
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Although I think our buddy sports fan doesn`t understand Iverson`s game...
In Iverson`s defense- at his height and weight there wasn`t much he could do in terms of solid defense. Most players he defended could back him down or easily shoot over him. He was at his best when he went for steals (although he was never good defensively). That is, when he was fast enough to go for steals.
by jefu on Jun 30, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On his twitter, Ric Bucher said that Miller is most likely headed to Portland for Blake and somebody else(I am assuming Outlaw)
fightlockdown.com
by The Legend on Jun 29, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I read that twitter, I actually sent him a comment about it, because it’s unclear if that’s a hope, a rumor or plan. When he responded to my comment (and he did) he didn’t clarify it. But if you read the quote (I’ll past it below) – I think he was more pushing a plan, since it’s a plan that involves signing Hedo and the sixers agreeing to a trade after the Blazer and Miller agree to a contract.
Remember, the blazers can not ‘legally’ negotiate with anyone until Wednesday at midnight (or Tuesday at midnight depending on how you do it – july 1st really early in the morning)
Here’s the Bucher Twit (i refuse to call them tweets, it’s called twitter, not tweeter, tweeter makes speakers)
Some confusion over a previous tweet: Andre Miller to Por wd be sign+trade. They’re hoping to sign Hedo straight up.
So to me that’s a plan, a hope, that’s their off season blue print but not a guarantee. Though I wonder, I know you can’t negotiate with free agents but can GMs talk ‘parameters’ of a trade such as this?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 29, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you be happy with a sign-and-trade...
for Blake and Outlaw? I would. I haven’t looked at their contracts yet.
by jsams on Jun 30, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose – I don’t know a lot about them – people keep mentioning their names.
Ford in his chat said the blazers want hinrich first assuming the bulls trade him and then miller.
Intrestingly, to me, no mention of any interest in bibby
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
@RicBucher Is Hedo a point guard? Then why would Portland spend all their cap space on a position chock full of talent?
RicBucher@Sabonis4Ever Hedo is a playmaker. Which, after BRoy, the Blazers don’t have. Other west teams are fearful Blazers will get Hedo and Andre.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 2, 2009 3:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I saw your twit.
I just saw a post from Tom Moore that said that if we do a trade with Portland it might be Webster instead of Outlaw. I don’t want that since Outlaw’s contract is shorter.
fightlockdown.com
by The Legend on Jun 29, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Blake alone would be enough. If you follow the logic, the reason the Blazers do the sign and trade is to save their own cap room for someone else, thus whatever they want to give Miller has to be matched.
At the same time, if the sixers did something like this and took back ‘all’ the contract space of Miller’s most likely salary – well that’s dangerously close to the tax limit – before the MLE – so do they use the MLE or is the tax the hard ceiling?
Free agency is going to be interesting for the sixers this year.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Webster too.
He can be a develop into a really solid outside shooter. Plus, he’s young.
by jsams on Jun 30, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you can write! Nice and agree overall with your thoughts.
1. I definitely don’t want A Miller back. I would like to go w/ older, experienced, low scoring but very good point guard. This will get the sixers to move on to Jrue.
2. I would like to sign Gortat BUT if we don’t trade Sam (which should do but not just to get rid of him), it maybe best to use the money for the bench.
3. I want to give Lou a chance to start and either perform or trade. We need to get some bench help in shooting and defense. I would like Christmas to be one and another rookie along w/ a vet for defense.
I agree that this year is not an important year to be in the playoffs but it is a must year to try AI at 2, play Jrue at 1, Thad, Elton and whover is center needs to get comfortable. If things go well this year, the following could be a good year.
by DeanH on Jun 29, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with using it on the bench, if you can’t get Gortat, then don’t spend it, bench guys aren’t vital to a team still building up, become a solid contending team then you can get ‘better’ bench guys who might chase a ring.
I also disagree with lou starting, he’s not a starter, and he’s not a point, that’s my feeling. He’s a bench guy, he or willie need to go in my opinion asyou have ‘one guy’ taking up two roster spaces.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One guy taking up two roster spots...
is well said. Could we possibly trade Lou for a worthwhile point guard and sign Gortat with the MLE? Now, that would be an excellent series of events.
Who would that point guard be, though?
by BSM PSU 93 on Jun 30, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would someone trade a worthwhile commodity for someone not worthwhile?
by andyreidswaistline on Jun 30, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well there’s debate over what’s worthwhile and what isn’t and roster fit, but I agree that Lou for a worthwhile pointguard is unlikely. The only ‘asset’ the sixers have that I’d advocate trading is the S&T with Miller if it can imiprove the team.
Sam Dalembert should be traded, but I don’t see him as an asset…
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw, I want nothing to do w/ AI coming back for a 2nd trip. WIll not help us in the future, the past is done and our future is AI9, Thad, Speights, Jrue and possibly Lou??
by DeanH on Jun 29, 2009 8:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed completely - W-L is not primary for next season.
Bibby would be my first choice, but that’s probably hoping for more than is possible. Brevin Knight wouldn’t be a bad option, though – he’ll never PG a championship team, but he’s smart. I don’t, however, think it would be awful to have Miller back – he has shown time and time again that he is more than capable of adjusting to whatever situation he finds himself in. If he has to play Jordan’s system, I think he’ll do it the best he can. I still wouldn’t give him any longer than 2 years with an option for a third, though. Either way, I’m not too worried: as long as a vet who can pass is at the point, I’m satisfied.
I also don’t think it would be awful to keep Sam as a good defensive backup and a guy who can play 10-12 minutes per game. He won’t be great in the offense, but he can undeniably block shots and defend the rim. He would likely be extremely unhappy, but if we can convince him to be satisfied, that’s a nice asset to have on the bench. Gortat would be an excellent signing, though. I would be very happy with that. Okur would be nice too, but I don’t think he plays enough of an inside game (although he does have one) to do what we need. It’s probably a moot point, though, since we likely can’t afford him.
I’m not too concerned about the bench right now. Depth is something that we can develop through draft, smaller signings, and trades, and isn’t a pressing issue right now anyway. That’s a matter of adding a few small but important pieces, which becomes more crucial when a championship for THIS YEAR is the goal, and we’re not there yet.
As always, John, excellently reasoned and well said. I think the Sixers are very well positioned going into the future.
One last thing, though: I do think the Magic made a good move by getting Vince. But that’s a completely different story.
by Saul on Jun 29, 2009 9:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Be interesting to have a debate about Vince on the Magic – but my summary points
stripped their bench and moved pietrus to starting line up
Not as good from the 3 AND don’t have the ‘mismatch’ at the 3 they used to have.
I think it makes them weaker in all aspects and that while Vince is still a ‘star’ he’s not the guy the Magic need.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he basically comes in as a replacement for Hedo
Pietrus plays the 2 as a defensive specialist who can shoot – a Bowen or Battier type – while Vince is basically a clone of Hedo who can do just about everything better except perhaps shoot clutch 3s. He’d definitely a better ballhandler and shooter. Ryan Anderson replaces Battie (which is minor). Alston only had value as a stopgap for Nelson, who’ll be back (although with Devin Harris at the point for Jersey, I’m not sure I get that part of the deal). I am also a little skeptical of the decision to give up Lee. But I think Vince was a good decision; he would have been a grand slam if they could have kept Lee…. but now Jersey has a heckuva backcourt there. But time will tell, throughout the season, if this was a good trade.
by Saul on Jun 30, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree for a coupe of reasons
One – the freaking Magic live by the 3 – a decrease in 3 point shooting is terrible for them.
Two – Vince is a 2, Pietrus will play the 3, and now the great mismatch of having a 3 the size of Hedo Turkoglu is gone.
Three – they STRIPPED their bench and eliminated any financial burden they could take on.
So – after they lose Gortat, practically guaranteed – they don’t have solid back ups at the one (Alston) Two (Lee) or Five (Gortat)
So, to me…a weaker starting five without all the advantages of the one that made the finals AND a weaker bench.
Strong move
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dalembert
Yeah, it would be great to have the luxury of playing Dalembert just a few minutes a night for defensive purposes, but his contract is holding management back from making a move. It’s financially impossible to pay a ten minute a night player 11 million, especially when it’s doubtful whether Comcast wants to pay the luxury tax
by fatdub on Jun 30, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plans
At PG, my first option would be Kidd. Yes, I know about his desire to win. But there are also rumors about him wanting to be closer to his family, which remained in Jersey, to the point that there were rumors he was interested in the Knicks. He is worth a midnight phone call at least. Worst he can say is no, right? I’d give him 3 years w/option at MLE. He’d be the ideal mentor for Jrue.
2nd choice would be a Miller S&T to POR for Steve Blake and Outlaw, which helps resolve two issues you mentioned, shooting and defense. Blake makes a nice placeholder until Jrue proves ready, sort like a better Doug Pederson kept the seat warm for McNabb during his rookie campaign. Then, Blake becomes a solid backup. Outlaw gives you another long hybrid forward that can shoot and defend, who is also still improving.
As far as Center goes, I’d look to move Sam for Dallas’ Erick Dampier. Meanwhile, I’d open up the competition in camp to Damp, Speights and Smith to earn a starting spot next to Brand. May the best man win, but they would all play almost equal minutes next season.
by RSWKnight on Jun 30, 2009 5:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope this is just spin from the sixers, making Miller feel wanted, making the average fan the sixers are doing ‘good’ and thus that fan can ‘hate’ Miller when he doesn’t re-sign.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20090630_Andre_Miller_is_76ers__No__1_concern.html
If the headline was ‘Point Guard is 76ers No 1 Concern’ – I’d like it better
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 7:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie Price
If the 76ers are unable to re-sign point guard Andre Miller, they could pursue Ronnie Price.
Price, a veteran who spent the last two seasons with the Jazz, would share time at point guard with rookie Jrue Holiday and combo guard Lou Williams.
http://http//realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60194/20090630/is_price_philadelphias_fallback_plan/
Don’t like that much at all…
http://www.sportspantheon.com
by YoSixers on Jun 30, 2009 7:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather that name be Brevin Knight because of his ‘veteranability’ (trademark JM productions) – and after looking at prices numbers, yeah, rather get Brevin Knight
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That link is broken – and per usual realgm.com is not the source
http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/126/2009/june/30/decision-time-on-miller-1.html
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather have Miller than either
But yea Knight over Price. And yea my bad the RealGM link is broken since I put an extra http;// at the front.
Nice fanpost though, couldn’t agree more with it, especially the five points for Sixers success at the end.
http://www.sportspantheon.com
by YoSixers on Jun 30, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only want mller at an affordable price for a short period of time, though I don’t want him to mentor Holiday, he gives the sixers a better chance to ‘win’ than other options (realistic) right now but I don’t know that he’s the best point guard to prepare Holiday and the sixers for winning a title…his game doesn’t fit the system or the future…plus i’m tired of his not working on basketball in the off season attitude, ESPECIALLY in a brand new system that requires really good working knowledge
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CBSSports.com reporting today that Miller is a priority target for the blazers and the sign & trade would be with Orlando for Hedo (which makes more sense actually, for both teams) but bad for the sixers.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 8:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice post
I don’t want Miller back here, he’s not the guy I want showing Holiday how to play. Knight would be great because he has great court vision and can play pretty good D. He’d also be much less expensive and content with playing less minutes while we integrate Jrue.
As much as I dislike Green, I think he’s a better fit for the Princeton offense than Lou. Green has a solid midrange jumpshot and shoots better coming off screens. Lou fits the one on one offense where he dribbles at the top of the key for 20 seconds and chucks it. If we had to trade one to get rid of Dalembert or get a true veteran point guard, I’d be fine with it being Williams. He’d bring back more in return than Green anyway.
I would like the Blake and Outlaw for Miller because we need an athletic wing off the bench, something we severely lacked last season. Outlaw still has plenty of room to grow also. Blake is serviceable for a year or two.
I find it impossible to root for any of my teams to lose. So while I would love a lottery pick, I’m not hoping for them to tank. I think even with a guy like Knight at the point this season, we can finish around 4-5 in the East. And if we’re contending, maybe we make a move at the deadline to give us a leg up. It’s highly unlikely, but I wouldn’t be shocked if they made a run with this team, especially if Holiday figures it out quicker than we expect.
Next year’s draft projects to be a better big men corps, but predominantly power forwards with only a couple centers. Cole Aldrich is someone I’d love, Donatas Motiejunas is a 7-1 Lithuanian people are going crazy about, and Ed Davis-Greg Monroe are both PF-C with some Chris Bosh in them, needing to put on some weight. I’m already excited about it.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jun 30, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to be clear, I’m not ‘rooting’ for them to lose or to tank, I just think the playoffs aren’t as important as development next year. Assuming they progress, I’d rather see big minutes going to Holiday and Speights and the sixers losing but developing players, versus ‘vets’ who won’t be here in a year or two trying to win games whil speights and holiday ride the bench for no other reason then getting the win.
I don’t root for losses, I root for teams to build towards championships, it’s why I wanted thome gone earlier than most, cause Howard was ready (baseball folks), it’s more important to the long term (championship) success of this team to accelerate the development of guys like Speights and Holiday than to keep miller and have another barely 500 season with a 6-8 seed but no serious development of the young guys.
It may be the same thing to some, but I think it’s different, to me wins and losses don’t matter as much as development.
Has anyone see Justin Jones (I think) of tulsa play? Fords top 100 had him exactly where the sixers picked this year
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Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what I was trying to imply
That you can root for them to lose. I agree that a lotto pick would be nice but it’s difficult for me to watch a game and hope for that outcome. We’re all just hoping they can build for a championship
You’re thinking of Jerome Jordan. He’s a very raw big man from Jamaica that still has plenty of development left but will take at least 3 years. High risk high reward.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jun 30, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry – didn’t mean to say you were implying that just making the finer point on my position that other things to me are more important than the overall record next year :)
Well jordan has one more year in college – at tulsa i think – so i’ll have to find tulsa games next year.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i saw jerome jordan
he came to maryland for a mini-tournament two years ago… he didn’t have much skill but has room to improve… should have dominated the biggest guy on the opposition (hampton university – i think he was like 6’9") but really just blended in to the background… that was two years ago i haven’t seen him since then
by tsteidel on Jun 30, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey lookie, i’s made the big time:(
So it occured to me – if dude dosn’t want to be robin but you wanna keep batman you can go with a justice league motif
lots of varying options there
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with whatever, but some quick research gave me some ideas.
Since the Green Lantern’s real name is Hal Jordan, I think that should be you, Mr. Sams. Martian Manhunter’s real name is John Jones, so there ya go magee. Since Batman and Superman are basically untouchable, and Wonderwoman is a chick, that leaves Flash and Aquaman. Tanner, I’d be pleased with either one. Your pick.
If this is too lame, a virtual slap in my face is not out of the question.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jun 30, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no – the justice league is MUCH bigger than that…if you idolize shaq you could be steel (but that movie sucked) – I was going to be green lantern actually since he’s more of a ‘galactic policeman’
:)
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Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was looking just at the founding members
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jul 1, 2009 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id go for aquaman myself
Seeing as im not a big comic book/superhero fan but i know two things that would make me choose that
1) vincent chase plays him and although he cant act his life is awesome
2) mandy moore plays opposite him
by tsteidel on Jun 30, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok – so you picked a fake person cause he was played by a fake person in a fake movie?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good, I’ll be Flash. Not Tom Gordon.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jul 1, 2009 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
should’ve looked below before posting. I am Dr. Manhattan.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jul 1, 2009 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS – for those pipe dreaming about Kyle Korver coming home, he’s not opting out.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not quite sure that was really an option anymore anyways after the Kapono trade.
by wildcatlh on Jun 30, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you guys think we can somehow convince Dallas or the Clippers to give us Dampier or Camby for Dalembert?
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by The Legend on Jun 30, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Of course it involves Thaddeus Young and a future first round pick – but sure they probably could :)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys.
Feel free to use this as an open thread for tonight. we’re less than 5 hours away from free agency.
by jsams on Jun 30, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I don’t expect anything huge to happen tonight…lots of free agents and tight money…i honestly expect it might be like baseball – a couple big splashes but then a lot of quiet for a while – maybe the amare deal gets done.
I started using twitter to fllow the ‘relevant’ nba folks who might be out there – cubans flying up to new york tonight for a ‘free agent meeting’ that I believe is probably to meet Jason Kidd…full court press by Dallas to keep Kidd?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they want to keep Kidd?
And yes, Twitter is awesome.
by jsams on Jun 30, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone on ESPN, I think Bucher, wrote a real strong article about why, Kidd has adjusted his game as he’s gotten older, keeps emp in their best position to win, and what other options are there really?
Kidd shot very well from 3 point land this year, may have led the team…
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd apparently
already turned down a 3 yr (not specific if third year was guaranteed or not) deal at 8 mil per year from the Mavs link now take it as you will considering it’s coming from a new york source
by tsteidel on Jul 1, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other sources have confirmed this. Suppsedly the knicks have have offered 3 years 18 million (total), all 3 years guaranteed, the mavs offer is reportedly 3 years 24 million but the terms of the third year probably a team option. It sounds like a starting offer and they’ll negotiate to the middle- he can’t want to go to new york
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as the 'masterhead' names go.
I’m going with shazam.
I think John’s going with “V”.
we’re waiting on you “Silent Destruction”
i personally think tanner would like quailman.
p.s. for the sake of political correctness we can’t give you guys this name — real superheroes nonetheless.
by jsams on Jun 30, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I do love me some ambiguity.
But if we’re losing the Justice League, I’d get ballsy and go with Dr. Manhattan. I always post naked anyway.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jul 1, 2009 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for...
Successfully integrating “ballsy” and “naked” into a comment.
by jsams on Jul 1, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do what I can.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jul 1, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am V
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by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mehmet Okur and Carlos Boozer didn’t opt out. I’m shocked that both of them stayed, but I think it’s smart. I think anyone who has a ‘one year’ option – should not opt out – it’s just a bad summer to be a free agent.
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by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially surprised about boozer
Considering he was pretty much guaranteeing all season that he would opt out. Just makes the 2010 free agent class that much better
by tsteidel on Jun 30, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s missed tons of games in the past two seasons and it’s a weak market, aside from Detroit it’s dobutful anyone would give him major money.
The more I think about it, the more Stoudemire demanding an extension to be traded is silly…
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by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jazz have to be pissed about this as it will likely cost them Millsap.
by andyreidswaistline on Jun 30, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam Dalembert makes a top 10 list Click Here to find out which one
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by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i actually just read that and loled at “Summer of Dalembert”
by jmorcate on Jun 30, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The line that says we’ve yet to determine if the Sixers will regret signing Brand more than Dalembert is pretty laughable. Unless he’s hurt for the remainder of his time here, the answer is no. People who don’t watch the Sixers regularly say that Brand was having a bad year before he got hurt, which is true. However, what they fail to realized is that he was still MUCH better than Sammy.
by zfg on Jul 1, 2009 5:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Varejao opts out – mistake…
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by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i imagine he's doing it for financial reasons
but is he realistically gonna land more than 6.2 mil? and if it’s more so for long term satisfaction will the cavs really commit long term to him?
by tsteidel on Jun 30, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that’s why it’s a mistake – play out the last year – and get more next year when there’s more money.
The MLE is more than 6.2 million probably, so if he can get the MLE for like 4 years or so – which isn’t out of the realm of possibility from some team that over values his ‘hustle’…maybe he was motivated by boozer and okur NOT opting out – if you’re the only guy out there and SOMEONE wants a PF – they might over pay him (or Milsap)
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by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think the sixers could pick up Bibby?
It might be nice to see a change of face on this roster. I like how he plays and anyone who can shoot from the perimeter will mesh well with this upcoming offense.
To Miller`s credit, he passed the ball a lot when his teammates were making shots. He didn`t pass the ball when his teammates were sucking. There were some games where he would score 28 points with 4 assists, and other games where he would score 7 points with 10 assists. Seems fair to me. If the princeton offense if supposed to open the floor more to create better percentage shots, I think passing won`t be an issue for Miller. I think the team will still develop if he stays for another two years.
by jefu on Jun 30, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I did mention Bibby, I do think he’s a good stop gap, if he’s willing to take the MLE for 2 years with a team option for the third.
HOWEVER, he’s not going to take a minimum contract yet – so Gortat is the primary target – after he signs – turn your attention to the MLE with a point guard…
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by jemagee on Jun 30, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m seeking constructive opinions on Zaza Pachulia as a secondary target if Gortat falls through (and it’s looking like it will…Rockets are giving him super hard press, and Rockets are a better situation)
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 7:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Zaza as a backup
He’s a solid big man that can rebound a bit and hit a 10 foot jumper. He won’t wow you with anything, but he’s a very good backup, and if we somehow get rid of Dalembert, I’d be ok with him starting for a year until Mo is ready.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jul 1, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So here’s my ‘new thinking’ on the big man. If he’s defensively a step back fro Sam, he HAS to be an offensive improvement. Or just keep Sam and start him.
The problem with Sam offensively is not that he will suck in the Jordan system (that’s a given) but his suckitude could then hamper a good ‘learning curve’ for the guys that matter (the rest of the roster) when you have a clueless center who needs to have some basketball IQ, vision, and quick crisp passing skills to make it work.
I think keeping Sam in the starting lineup will actually lengthen the timeline of ‘full integration’ of the Jordan offense into the sixers roster
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And Zaza is definitely an offensive improvement from Sam. I’d liken him to Zydrunas Ilgauskas, but not as tall. He can step out to about 15 feet, but his comfort zone is 8-10. He might be a little slow in terms of cutting and setting picks, but I think he’d learn the offense much quicker than Sam. I think we just have to bite the bullet on Sam this year and see how valuable he is next year when his contract is expiring. That’s 12 million coming off the books.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jul 1, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expiring contracts are a function of free agency – who is going to be a free agent in 2011 that teams will drool over, combine that with 2010 players that don’t get what they want…do they sit on cap money or over pay for second (third?) tier options?
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Post
It will be interesting to see what happens in the next week.
I wonder if they even make a play at Gortat I am with you and I think they should I just wonder if they do.
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by Whodie126 on Jul 1, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just came across a BS rumor. We send Sam, Willie, and a draft pick to Houston for McGrady. The dude that wrote it probably didn’t realize that the salaries don’t match.
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by The Legend on Jul 1, 2009 9:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He factors in a couple more pieces and Sam’s trade kicker.
But be clear, and this is how crap gets started on the internet: this is not a rumor
This is the made up imaginations of one writer, spitballing an idea much like the fans do no the net. There’s no rumor, there’s no source, just an idiot writer who gets paid to make crap up as opposed to the rest of it. Referring to it as a rumor lends it more credibility than it actually has
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s really not nice of people to come out with things like that — it gets my hopes up a bit even though I know it’s not true. Now way that Houston would ever make this trade. The only thing that is remotely reasonable from their standpoint would be something like Dalembert + Iguodala for T-Mac’s expiring contract… and I’m not sure how I’d feel about that one.
by zfg on Jul 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s fine with people to come out with things like that, people just have to learn to read more closely and realize when a writer is just spit balling and when he says ‘unnamed’ sources…it’s not a rumor, that’s all, it’s speculation that’s no better than dudes playing with a trade check on ESPN or realgm…actually it’s worse since the numbers don’t match.
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still though, it’s mean for those of us with over-active imaginations. I mean, what if something like that deal actually happened? It would probably be the best news I’ve ever heard. I’d probably have to take the rest of the day off from work to celebrate or something.
by zfg on Jul 1, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, well, if that happened, it’s not your overactive imagination that would worry me.
Go Hard or Go Home
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Leon Powe wasn’t 3-4 inches taller and coming off of ACL surgery because I would think about signing him
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by The Legend on Jul 1, 2009 9:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And if Sam weren’t a lazy, basketball sttupid, whiner, the sixers wouldn’t need to think about trading him.
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Kicker...
John, not sure if you have explained this or not yet but what is a trade kicker (like with Dalembert) and is it something that the team gives the player? It seems pointless to me from the little i have read about it. What advantages, if any, come from it?
by Ben16 on Jul 1, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know exctly how they work – best cap resource on line is the larry coon FAQ
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insidehoops (twit) – says Waojnarowski has a source saying the pistons and Gordon have agreed to a deal – first one of day?
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What are the pistons up to? Isn’t it their frontline that needs help? They also had a meeting with villanueva so let’s see how that works out.
Btw, good post dude. Keep it up.
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by soman319 on Jul 1, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Gordon is the prize of FA – I have no idea what they’re doing since he doesn’t fit the roster
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same source reporting via twitter that PIstons have agreement with Villnueva as well
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do the Pistons think they're contenderS?
by jsams on Jul 1, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows – I’m thinking the shine is wearing off of Dumars :)
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 years 55 million is pretty much what gordon got offered last year, and a short scorer with very little else going for him ain’t getting much more – he could have saved himself the hassel and made bigger money this year.
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did the same thing as Iguodala.
Iguodala is just lucky he got his contract one year before the market plummeted… and yes, for the record, I love Iguodala’s contract.
by jsams on Jul 1, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iguodala is a bargain compared to over paying for Ben Gordon and his one dimensional game
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Gordon knows going in that he won’t be starting in Detroit.
Change your opinion on the contract at all?
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of interesting things are happening...
I have no idea where the Pistons are going with Gordon and Villinueva, but it looks like it will take them some time before they come around again.
Sucks that Gortat is going to be a red rocket.
What exactly do the celtics think they can do by getting Wallace? Horrible move.
by jefu on Jul 1, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok – so in the whole ‘reading too much into things’ department…
Ben Gordon has signed with the Pistons which according to all reports and rumors would indicate that Kirk Hinrich is off the trading block…and yet Portland will still be looking for a ‘vet’ point guard for their maturing squad….and their top FA target with their cap room is still Hedo Turkoglu.
That means their ‘second best’ option for their PG via trade is still Andre Miller through the sign and trade if the sixers are willing to participate
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
More Twitterness
LA Times reports the Clippers will trade Zach Randolph to Memphis Grizzlies for Quentin Richardson
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gortat hasn’t agreed to anything with anyone has he?
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So he has, and supposedly 7-8 teams are interested (though none of the reported teams are the sixers), the rockets haven’t come to an agreement and right now they can’t offer more than anyone who isn’t memphis or OKC so it’s not like it’s a done deal
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It`s not at all, but the Rockets are being the most aggressive
Followed by the Mavs.
Sixers, on the other hand, have to worry about Miller. By the time they even address trading their homeless center, Gortat will have probably agreed to sign with another team.
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by jefu on Jul 1, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I saw that, it’s creative and unique but doesn’t make them the front runners – remember the tortoise and the hare…
If the sixers can’t negotiate with Miller and Gortat at the same time, then they got bigger problems…hopefully the front office folk can do more than one thing at a time.
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to the articles I`ve been reading, and the direct quotes from Stefanski...
Miller is their number one priority and that`s what they are focusing on first.
But you`re right, let`s hope they can multi-task.
by jefu on Jul 1, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that – but I’m hoping it’s just spin cause as far as I’m concerned Miller shouldn’t be a priority until someone comes up with a good sign and trade for him – he should not be back – period – until ALL other options are exhausted. I’d rather have Bibby or Knight
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a sign and trade is exactly what they`re trying to do
Just a hunch, but it makes the most sense to me.
But I imagine sign and trades are more tricky than just signing a free agent, thus they take more time.
by jefu on Jul 1, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign & Trades require an interested team willing to pay Miller more than their available cap room :)
And then it requires the sixers wanting what the blazers offer – I realize they take longer – and that miller probably is in the second round of FA’s, but I’m concerned if SIGNING miller is their top priority
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't really considered Gortat.
It seems like the Sixers fans are interested more than the Sixers front office. It’s unfortunate, but I think all the “Gortat to Sixers” talk is a pipe dream.
I hope I’m wrong.
by jsams on Jul 1, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I think the sixers have no interest in Gortat and think it’s a big mistake
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think the Sixers have no interest?
Besides the fact that they haven’t been named. Too concentrated on Miller? The idea that we’re “set” in the front court? Ed?
by jsams on Jul 1, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they have to get rid of Sam first before they’ll think about a new big man – I thik so many teams have been leaked (by the agent) that the sixers no being there indicates a lack of interest…they keep hyping smith so much this off season I think they hav eunrealistic expectations
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insider Article
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 5:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
SF1976 has been saying that we are trying to get Rip from Detroit and Miller could be one of the pieces in a sign and trade(he said that on one of the pages) besides that though I don’t know who we can offer that would get a deal done? Ed won’t trade Thad so I don’t think it will happen.
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by The Legend on Jul 1, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The only reason to do that is because Ed Stefanski buys into the “Iguodala is not a 2” debate.
Sigh…
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Ed buys into that I have heard him say on the radio that he thinks AI9 can be a 2 in this league.
The only question for me is who would run the point? Ed has said that they view him as a point forward so him? or Rip?
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by The Legend on Jul 1, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I woke up this morning and turned on SC they said that they have no plans of moving Rip and are going to bring Gordon off the bench
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by The Legend on Jul 2, 2009 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lebron courting artest
To come to cleveland accordig to inside hoops twitter. Not only do they twit nice info but they also rip on sasha vujacic
by tsteidel on Jul 1, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My personal opinion.
Ron-Ron is kinda washed up, but seems like that’s what the Cavs are going for.
Side note: Quailman, we need a porkchop.
by jsams on Jul 1, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t thik he’s washed up, but I think his behavior is always an issue – and he breaks offenses – BDL had a nice piece about it today
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, his personality is very volatile which can be potentially good or bad depending on if they are up in a game or down. I think that if he does end up on the cavs…well, with the egos that are on that team, I don’t know how they would all coexist.
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by soman319 on Jul 1, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sekou Smith Twitter (writes for AJC)
Sources indicate Hawks are inching closer to common ground w/Mike Bibby’s camp on a new deal. Nothing concrete as of yet, though
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by jemagee on Jul 1, 2009 7:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ariza is on the verge of leaving the Lakers according to Chris Broussard
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by The Legend on Jul 1, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it was over at the espn message board where some moron(no surprise since there are a ton of them there) said he would rather have Ariza over AI9. I had to re-read 100 times to make sure the guy didn’t have some mental disability.
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by The Legend on Jul 1, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some sucker out there
is gonna really overpay for him.
by phillyhoosfan on Jul 2, 2009 5:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gortat
why is everybody so high on Gortat? someone sell me on him, because i can’t figure out how this guy is supposed to impress me. certainly not his numbers.
by ghsu on Jul 1, 2009 9:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He has a lot of potential. He played well in the playoffs when given time. The reason he gets the hype is because people caught a glimpse of him in the finals. I agree, he is a little overhyped, but he is certainly has more potential than a backup. I don’t agree that he should be paid as much as I think he will but, that’s business.
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by soman319 on Jul 1, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t agree he is worth the MLE?
Sam Dalembert and Eddy Curry will make over 10 million dollars next year.
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can see that he has potential, and that is definitely nice. i’d personally be more careful about just throwing money at people. with a team as young as the Sixers, it’d be well advised to just be patient because you never know what could happen. it’s something that we should have learned as Sixers fans from the Billy King era when he just threw money at Sammy and Willie and created some pretty terrible contracts. you could even look at Elton Brand. we’re still waiting to reap the benefits from that contract, though i think he’s going to be more productive than not.
so yes, i agree with you soman. even though there are more terrible contracts out there, it’s really hard for me to give almost $6 million a year to a guy who averaged less than 4 ppg, even if he played behind Dwight Howard.
by ghsu on Jul 2, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you can’t get past the PPG – then there’s nothing worth talkinga bout.
Gortat has years ahead of him and he’s a better option than Sam Dalembert (if you can get past his PPG number) – he also has a basketball IQ higher than sams (but then again so does my dead cat) – if Sam Dalembert is still the starter this teams long term success is threatened
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m not saying the ppg is the end-all-be-all stat that i’m looking at by any means at all, i’m just using that as a point of reference. i agree, Sam Dalembert can be upgraded, but i’d have to seriously question whether Marcin Gortat would be any better. if you gave me a choice: Gortat at $6 mil OR Dalembert at over $10 mil, sure, why not give Gortat a shot. but if the Sixers are going to carry both on their roster, i’d be very wary of potentially carrying two average starters at the same position for quite a big financial investment.
by ghsu on Jul 2, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, but if the sixers don’t sign Gortat then trading sam means you have to find a big man to get back – however, if they have gortat then they can just trade sam to the team who makes the first offer they like because the ‘center’ need is already filled.
It’s a chicken/egg thing if you like – but signing Gortat makes it much easier to get rid of Sam
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed. i’d love to know that was their intention, though, if they were to sign Gortat. if signing Gortat = trade of Sam, then alright, i like the direction there. my only issue would be holding on to Sam, signing Gortat, and having a difficult situation where you have a big bad contract in Sam, a bit of a logjam at the position with Speights and Smith also vying for time at center.
by ghsu on Jul 2, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sams been on the market since before the deadline this year in February – the sixers have said that – but they’re not just going to trade him for anything offered and they need to have a center
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Houston Chronicle
There’s also a tough-love side to this story. Gortat’s agent mentioned wanting a full mid-level exception. That amounts to around $30 million over five years. The Rockets aren’t offering nearly that much and apparently aren’t prepared to go higher. They’ve assigned a value to Gortat, and if, say, the Mavericks are offering more, the Rockets are prepared to lose him
This is the second time I’ve read this ‘not budging’ thing for the Rockets this morning. I’m sorry – but someone should tell them it’s called negotiations – not – take it or leave it. This is the kind of thing that could cost the Rockets a lot more in the future, if agents feel they won’t negotiate they won’t steer their players towards them.
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ike Diogu
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can you elaborate? I haven’t found anything about him regarding his status in Sacramento or elsewhere.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jul 2, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to the hoopshype.com rumors page, he’s an unrestricted free agent…puts up solid numbers when gets minutes…
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From ESPN
Let’s start with the negatives: His practice habits and conditioning have been questionable at best, and he’s not a good defender.
As a scoring big man off the bench he can be devastatingly effective, and I’m surprised he hasn’t got the chance to do it more regularly. For a team looking to fill that role, he’ll be available for pennies.
Why would he be any better than M16 or Jason Smith? I guess I’m kind of surprised with everyone’s infatuation with big men this off-season. We have four very capable big men on our roster, and that’s not counting Thad at the four when we go small. The only way I see “big man” as a pressing need is if we get rid of Sammy D.
I’m much more interested in getting a point guard (obviously), and more shooters off the bench, but that’s just me.
by jsams on Jul 2, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m obsessed with getting rid of Samuel Dalebmert.
He’s better than Smith cause I think smith is softer than a marshmallow and is a perimeter player with the low post skills non existent…and speights – well he’s foul prone and has a long way to go…he would solidify a questionable bench
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we all knew you are obsessed with getting rid of Sammy.
I was thinking if we don’t do a sign & trade with Andre Miller would anybody be to devastated if we re-signed Ivey and let Lou start until Holiday is ready? Keep in mind that Lou wouldn’t always be bringing the ball up in this offense.
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by The Legend on Jul 2, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be angry if Williams starts. If the projected starter is lou williams you make it an open competition in training camp. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Holiday beat Lou out in a fair competition
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t either but I remember a while back Wizards fans saying that Jordan doesn’t like starting rookies and he said that at his PC. If it came down to Ivey and Williams who would you rather have start?
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by The Legend on Jul 2, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly – i’d rather be a clippers fan at that point…god what an awful decision that would be – setting the team back even further in its pursuit of title contention.
Look this whole ‘eddie jordan’ doesn’t like to play/start rookies…what great rookies has he had that should have started? It’s like the nonsense with larry brown and rookie (debunked by Derek Bodner once in a great work of research pointing out that Brown rookies play just as much if not more ‘average minutes’ as other guys drafted at the same spot in the past, with exceptions, like Darko)…
If Jordan goes into training camp saying ‘no way can holiday outplay louis williams’ – he should be fired immediately cause he’s a putz. Holiday has more experience playing point guard (and defense) in his life than Louis Williams does – they’ll both be learning a new system – but ones not so damn short – if they are the only two options it HAS to be an open competition.
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is me playing devil's advocate
But if you believe that we’re not a championship contender for two years, then why not start Lou at point. If he ends up figuring it out (a pipedream, perhaps), then he turns into either a verifiable point guard in the princeton offense or trade bait once Jrue is ready to start. Since in your eyes we’re not contending anyway, why not let Lou get 35 minutes a night learning to be a legitimate point guard? Plus we wouldn’t have to spend the money on Miller or Bibby for two-three years and could use it instead on your boy Gortat.
That being said, I don’t think Lou is the answer, but I would like to hear your take on it.
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by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Jul 2, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not Lou at the point?
I believe he’s already had a shot the past two seasons to demonstrate any innate point guard abilities he might have, and I don’t think he’s shown much of anything…trying him out in a system that requires smart passing and quick thinking just to me seems like an experiment doomed to fail. If he beats out Holiday in a fair competition in training camp, fine, but don’t hand him the job if he and Jrue are the only options.
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling.
That we’ll either a) re-sign Miller B) work out a sign-and-trade c) sign a veteran point guard.
I see no scenario where Lou is our starting one.
by jsams on Jul 2, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comcast being cheap
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see them being that cheap.
And if they are, I see Ed figuring it out. I think he knows just like we do, starting Lou at the one benefits no one.
by jsams on Jul 2, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ed is given too much ‘brilliance’ credit for what he’s accomplished.
PS – i’m not in favor of miller over bibby for 2 years
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry – that should be NOW – after a bit more info and reading i prefer miller all other things being equal
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller's a real solid PG.
I’d much rather Holiday learn from him than Bibby.
by jsams on Jul 2, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
that Miller’s a nice point guard to learn from because he’s patient and manages the game well, but don’t underestimate Bibby’s experience. he was an integral part of that Kings team when they were tops in the Western Conference and he is battle tested. he’s a pretty good leader, and i don’t think it’d be a bad thing at all to learn from a guy like Bibby.
by ghsu on Jul 2, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather have the guy who is better on the court overall, right now, and that’s Miller
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you be willing to sign him for 3-4 years at $10 mil a year? if we can get him for 1-2 years, i’m all for it, but i’m not sure i’d want him for 3-4 years.
by ghsu on Jul 2, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope and I’ve said no more than two years repeatedly :)
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, if Brevin Knight isn’t under contract to a team, i’d also be aggravated
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we all want Sammy gone.
But Ike doesn’t interest me.
by jsams on Jul 2, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not the hugest fan of Sammy...
but i’m not sure how many other centers in the NBA i’d rather have, really. it’s really not a vote for Sam as it is just a knock on the Center position in the league in general.
by ghsu on Jul 2, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
flavio (Brazil)
if it’s unlikely Miller returns to Philly, any chance that iverson go back to philly??
John Hollinger (3:25 PM)
None. If Miller goes they’re probably going to play Louis Williams at the point.
by jsams on Jul 2, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah well, hollinger is a prat some times – so there’s that.
New rumor from dallas basketball – mavs closing in on kidd and gortat
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell em again why the wolves fired mchale?
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Marc Stein Twitter
Marcin Gortat on his way to Dallas, literally and figuratively. Promises Mavs he’ll sign offer sheet July 8th. ESPN.com link on the way
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems like we may not see much more from the Sixers this offseason.
I don’t expect any big names. Probably some veteran point guard, but I’m not sure if he’ll be a starter. Maybe a small trade or signing. But I expect things to stay pretty quiet for now.
by Saul on Jul 2, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to be very disappointed if miller walks for nothing and the only thing they do is sign a PG to back up Louis Williams.
Think about that for a minute folks – a point guard to back up Louis Williams
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree - I'm not saying it's a good thing.
But it’s more or less what I expect at this point. I don’t envision anything big coming.
by Saul on Jul 2, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stefanski is quickly losing my faith.
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet for me...
I don’t think there’s any way we win a title this season no matter who we sign. So I don’t think anything big is necessary. I’m not saying he shouldn’t try; I’m just saying he shouldn’t panic or do something for the sake of doing it.
by Saul on Jul 2, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Louis Williams as your starting point guard is lunacy
Not even putting in a call to gortat so you can get rid of Sam is bad
Not moving Miller at the deadline if you weren’t going to give him the deal EVERYONE knew he wanted – stupidity
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh...
My instinct with things like this – and I probably take this too far, frankly – is to assume that 1) people like Stefanski know more about basketball than I ever will, and 2) there’s a lot going on behind the scenes that I don’t know about. That translate into it being really tough to skewer him for not making a particular move. It’s easier, though, to criticize a move that is made. I try to not to let this make me someone who always accepts what they do, and I usually do a pretty good job, but I still rarely end up as any more than a skeptic.
by Saul on Jul 2, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t assume GMs know more than I do until they prove it – Stefanski hasn’t done anything ‘shocking’ or impressive yet – signing Elton Brand by getting rid of Carney – that’s a duh move – drafting Holiday when he slides that far down and he was your highest rated PG left – that’s a function of a solid scouting department – they get credit – stef doesn’t.
Eddie Jordan – well hell people were talkinga bout him in philly since he got fired in washington.
Naming Louis WIlliams the starting point guard – regardless of what goes on ‘in the back’ is asinine – cause he’s not a point guard – nor has he demonstrated enough skill to be a starting NBA point guard in a princeton type offense – anyone can see that – hell i can see it.
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul (Trenton, NJ)
Any chance Philly could offer some kind of package to Detroit for Rip involving Dalembert and whatever else makes Detroit forget that Dalembert is involved in the trade? Hey, the need a center.
John Hollinger (3:47 PM)
No. Sixer fans, stop with the Dalembert trade proposals. You’re stuck with him. Get used to it.
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by The Legend on Jul 2, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't make it any easier to accept.
I think we just keep trying to convince ourselves that the fact that Dalembert is staying – which we all know – is false. I know no one will take him. I just don’t want to believe it.
by Saul on Jul 2, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Hollingers chat sadness implication.
Basically if the sixers don’t get Miller re-signed he said they’ll go with williams and a vet back up.
I sad now – fire Stefanski
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
John... why'd you change from the Morey quote as your signature?
I liked it.
by Saul on Jul 2, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I got sick of reading it :) I post so much i like to have variety – my new one is of my own invention – i’m thinking of making tshirts
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just seems so....
generic. The other one had some flair.
by Saul on Jul 2, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The manual says I only need 8 pieces of flair…
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 well done.
Obviously it’s all your decision. But I’m a big Morey fan… I love all this new stats stuff, and there’s nothing like some good Daryl Morey anti-boxscore vitriol to get your juices flowing and get you excited for some basketball. Maybe I’m biased.
by Saul on Jul 2, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually my favorite part of his diatribe was the blocked shots diatribe – of course – i was anti blocked shots about 3 years ago – he stole my thunder – he’s a thunder stealer
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was actually the one bit I didn't agree with...
A blocked layup – at least – is a good thing no matter what: a high-percentage unblocked shot has a high percentage chance of going in. But a high-percentage blocked shot has a zero percent chance of going in. I’m not sure about blocking jumpers (again, though, you’re still turning a shot with some chance into a shot with no chance), because the confusion that a blocked jumper creates can open a lane for layup. But blocking a low-post move? That helps, I think.
by Saul on Jul 2, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that ALL BLOCKS are scored equally – i don’t oppose blocked shots being tracked, I just advocate some kind of finer mechanism.
Case A – Sam Dalembert blocks a shot with 2 seconds left on the shot clock – out of bounds – shot clock expires – good
Case B – Sam Dalembert blocks a shot with 23 seconds loft on the shot clock (because he couldn’t get the rebound as usual:) – out of bounds – opposing team maintains possession and still has most of a shot clock to run their offense.
To me, not all blocked shots are equal :)
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest is a Laker.
If my sources are correct.
by jsams on Jul 2, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean the interwebs :)
Sorry – this is a mistake in my opinion – should have made nice with Ariza
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only is he better, and younger, he’s saner and plays withiin a system.
God Artest is over rated, has anyone aside from Artest verified this?
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it with my own eyes.
In the Rockets/Lakers series, Ron couldn’t guard anybody.
by jsams on Jul 2, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the horrible shots he takes.
by jsams on Jul 2, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does get under people’s skin though, regardless if its intentional or not.
…And if the fans get rowdy, the team can just take him off his leash and let him go rampant.
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by soman319 on Jul 2, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s still existing on his rep of a good defender anymore…I’m not sure how this isnt’ a mistake for the Lakers…Ariza is younger and better
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=273
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 5:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ariza to Rockets – Marc Stein via Twitter – Rockets get better end of ‘trade’ of Artest for Ariza (John’s Opinion)
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh man – my new favorite rumor – can the Bulls GM REALLY be this stupid?
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/15865675
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There`s no way that would work smoothly for the Bulls.
Rose is not a croney-type point guard like eric snow was for the sixers. Iverson wouldn`t work well together with him.
If this really does happen, they`ll try to get rid of Iverson after a year. He`ll probably spend the rest of his career getting passed around like a smut.
Ridiculous.
by jefu on Jul 2, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Snow knew his role – eric snows role was to give the ball to iverson and play defense…wouldn’t call him a ‘croney’ – he was limited and knew his role.
I wish the sixers would hire him as a coach
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yahoo sports reports that Cavs working on a S&T for ANthony Parker.
Really…anthony parker? No Artest, no ariza, so anthony parker…
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess Mo Williams wasn`t the answer for them.
Why would the Spurs want him? (I`m assuming the sign and trade involves him)
by jefu on Jul 2, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the spurs be involved in a sign and trade for anthony parker?
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Why would the spurs give up Parker? Other than his age. He`s still producing the numbers.
by jefu on Jul 2, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok – let’s try this slower
There’s ANthony Parker and There’s Tony Parker
One’s a free agent for the raptors and ones an all star point guard for the spurs.
Which is more likely to be in a S&T deal?
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok that`s why I was confused
Tony is a shortened name for Anthony.
Now that makes more sense.
by jefu on Jul 2, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am well aware of that…
Of course I also know that there’s an anthony parker and a tony parker and that one is a FA and could be involved in a S&T and the other isn’t and probably would never be traded to the cavs by his team…
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah believe it or not, imperfect people, unlike yourself, can sometimes make mistakes
Although, I believe it was last week or so when you were arguing repeatedly with people that Elton Brand was only 28 years old.
If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that he`s 30.
The difference between me and you is I don`t have to correct people in a pompous manner to feel better about myself.
by jefu on Jul 2, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, you have to insult people like a 13 year old to feel better about your own insecurities whereas you still don’t understand what I’m doing….but that’s ok, I expect you’d have to graduate high school for that.
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, you're always the person who does the initial insulting. I'd say that's pretty childish intself. Not just to me of course, but almost to everyone who posts on here.
But anyway, your superiority complex would never allow you to see yourself as wrong. At least you would never openly admit to it.
by jefu on Jul 3, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone really believe that Sheed would go be a backup in Boston? I think he goes to San Antonio or maybe Stefanski can give him a call and convince him to come here?
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by The Legend on Jul 2, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rasheed is washed up
I wouldn`t want him here. Plus he has attitude problems. Him and Dalembert would share tampons with each other.
by jefu on Jul 2, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously – you need to stop…just stop…it’s getting tiresome….
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No silly – you didn’t make an immature post about tampons shortly after confusing anthony parker and tony parker did you?
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It`s absolutely sad how you try to dictate what gets posted on here. As if you are my boss or something.
In case you`ve forgotten, this is a basketball blog. That`s all it is.
It`s obvious that you have a superiority complex.
You can say what you want as a rebuttle, but I`m not the one who sounds like I haven`t gotten laid in the past five years, if ever.
In fact, with as much time as you dedicate your life to looking up basketball statistics and articles, and shooting lame insults at people, both on here and on the phillies SB page, I doubt if you have any real friends at all.
Grow up.
by jefu on Jul 2, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t dictate what get’s posted here, I express my opinion.
And I expressed my opinion about your juvenile tampon comment and your ability to dinstinguish between Anthony and Tony Parker.
I’m not sure why people believe I get a say what is posted here, Jordan does. Not me. If you have a problem with me suggesting you post like someone with something constructive to add…sorry about that.
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Notice I said, "try to dictate."
Seriously though, there’s a difference between trying to insult someone just for the sake of insulting them, and pointing out how someone (like yourself) is a loser. From the way you sound on here, not just to me, but basically to everyone, you seriously sound like you have no friends.
Sometimes people who are completely full of themselves need to be told this. It’s good therapy. So I guess in a way I’m helping you out. Maybe some day you’ll thank me for it.
And by the way, I’m not exactly sure what the green thumbs up thing indicates, but I guess my immature tampon comment was good enough to deserve that.
by jefu on Jul 3, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing
aside from the mentioning of the word “tampon” that must’ve really made your blood boil, it was constructive. I openly disagreed with the idea of Rasheed coming to the sixers. He has attitude problems just like Dalembert does and he’s over the hill. I just don’t think that’s the best combination for this team.
by jefu on Jul 3, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
and you can express your opinions as you wish – John’s just trying to tell you to do it in a more mature manner (which I agree with).
I believe John’s not trying to insult you, trust me I’ve seen much worse. Please try not to get so defensive… unless you like to argue for the sake of arguement.
by guitarmouse35 on Jul 4, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're also right, but
There’s a right way to tell someone to be more mature, and there’s a wrong way.
If you choose the wrong way (which was done), that in itself is immature. It also warrants a rebuttal. I also disagree with people trying to parent on blogs (which was also done).
As the old saying goes, two wrongs don’t make a right.
And trust me, there are far more immature things I have read on blogs than the mentioning of tampons. Including on this one.
by jefu on Jul 5, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes…KG recruited him hard, and I think Wallace will be a solid back up on a contending team. He’s going to a team that can win a title this year, and he’ll be a solid back up. He wouldn’t come to philly and he doesn’t help much on the court in my opinion.
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he wouldn’t come to philly it was just an idea to throw out there. The reason why I think he would go to SA is because didn’t they just trade there center(I could be wrong)? He could start there beside Tim Duncan and if they did they are one of the contenders in the west.
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by The Legend on Jul 2, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
even w/o sheed
they are a top 3 team in the west with parker, ginobli, timmy, jefferson, and even with dejuan blair coming up… as always the spurs are making moves to better the team… how i wish the sixers were run like them
by tsteidel on Jul 2, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they traded a center yes (oberto I think) but that team starts Matt Bonner some times :) If healthy with an added Rich Jeff, they’ll be a solid contender…SA is a good spot for him but I’m not sure they’d be interested, plus I don’t know their cap/tax situation if they’re willing to go over. Not sure he fits on or off the court, but I know that the Celtics are thinking they can make one more solid one next year with everyone healthy and if they don’t bing back davis or powe – Sheed is a nice ‘step up’
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by jemagee on Jul 2, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Mike Bibby told the Sixers no thanks.
by jsams on Jul 3, 2009 7:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense if he's going to get more money staying with the Hawks.
I don’t blame him, but he might have been a nice addition to the team.
by jefu on Jul 3, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I havent’ read anyhting about what Bibby might get from ATL but mentions of the MLE?
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The article Jsams posted seemed to mention he's seeking about 10 million a year
by jefu on Jul 3, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawks writer mentioned around the MLE – philly sports writers in general carry less credibility with me than most…they tend to be soft on facts long on speculation, I think the only city worse is New York (and sam smith)
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if all he's going to get is the MLE
At the age of 31, after getting 15 million a year he going to settle for that? He must really love playing for the Hawks.
If the sixers could work a sign and trade for him, I don’t understand why he wouldn’t want to take that over a much bigger pay-cut.
by jefu on Jul 3, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sixers won’t give Andre Miller 10 mil for 3 years – why would they give Bibby 10 mil for 3 years. I doubt the sixers would give him 10 mil a year either.
The crawford deal makes a bit more sense if the Hawks weren’t looking to pay Bibby more than the MLE.
Much like baseball, this economy, and free agency is on the teams sides for a bunch of guys who for whatever reasons arent valued as much…the second tier guys (as they are perceived) like Miller and Bibby might be out ther for a while…a lot of guys who have some experience might not even get more than the vet min….some nice ‘bargain shopping’ can be done this off season I think…if one is patient.
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it might come to the point where Miller and Bibby both have to settle for the MLE
But, perhaps unfortunately, my gut feeling is telling me the sixers are really trying to sign Miller.
It would be a mistake to sign him for 3 years, but if they had to sign either one of the two for three years i would prefer Bibby only because he’s two years younger (and I think there’s a big difference between 31 and 33) and he can shoot the three much better.
by jefu on Jul 3, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
via inside hoops
it seems bibby’s agent contacted the sixers today to talk about a possible contract but talks “didn’t go anywhere”
by tsteidel on Jul 3, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New player in the Hedo Turkoglu FA process…his wife?
REmember last year when one of the rumored reasons for Brand coming to Philly was his wife, pregnancy and being closer to family.
Now if only Toronto would be willing to renounce those three players to clear the cap.
Carlos Delfino or Hedo TUrkoglu – is it that tough a decision?
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
haha i saw the wife thing last night
on ric bucher twitter…. however this afternoon inside hoops said hedo and the blazers have agreed to terms so we’ll see how that plays out
by tsteidel on Jul 3, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and its official
confirmed by the mothership itself hedo is a blazer
by tsteidel on Jul 3, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well technically they’ve agreed to a deal, but no one can sign until July 8th, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that someone gets stupid…I doubt it highly but nothing is done until it’s done.
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And similra motivation for brand since the money was about the same…family, wife, etc…have him choose toronto over portland.
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by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SO the Raps are interested in David Lee, want to discuss a S&T, but the Knicks hang up the phone when it doesn’t involve Chris Bosh?
That can’t be true can it?
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It would make sense if their long-term plans are to wait for next year's FA
At least for this team that would probably be the smarter thing to do?
by jefu on Jul 3, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I meant to ask, and should have said more clearly is – The Knicks can’t think David Lee is worth Chris Bosh can they?:)
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah there's no way they could think that.
I mean, you don’t even have to follow basketball that well to know that.
by jefu on Jul 3, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Moore says we are looking at backups for PG, SF, and C and we believe that nobody will demand the full MLE. If we S&T Miller we could knock out PG and SF. If we do trade Miller do we lose our MLE because I forget if I read that or not?
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by The Legend on Jul 3, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t believe the MLE would be affected by miller, sixers are over the cap already, even without miller, the bird rights are how they do the sign and trade for him. So the MLE would still be in play…however…that’s just in theory. There’s no way to S&T MIller for what he wants AND use the MLE and stay under the tax number…hell S&T for Miller might not keep em under the tax number, so if Comcast isn’t paying the tax, that would make the MLE unusable if that makes sense.
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Berri on Gordon & Villanueva signings
http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/gordon-and-villanueva/
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by jemagee on Jul 3, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol loved the little story at the end.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by soman319 on Jul 3, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you know that whole Hedo to Portland thing
by phillyhoosfan on Jul 3, 2009 7:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea i just saw on yahoo sports
That was quite a quick turnaround
by tsteidel on Jul 3, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
New ‘stupid way to spend’ money rumor. BLazers thinking of spending 10 million per year on David Lee.
Cause the Blazers need another back up power forward?
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by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Inquirer via ESPN reports Hawks & Bibby have agreed to 3 year deal
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by jemagee on Jul 4, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kidd agrees to go back to Dallas
Sheed agrees to go to Boston
Rumors of big baby to dallas
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by jemagee on Jul 6, 2009 6:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And
Celtics pursuing Grant Hill as well.
by guitarmouse35 on Jul 6, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also a report
the the magic will go after big baby
by tsteidel on Jul 7, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SHocking i tell you – SHOCKING
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by jemagee on Jul 7, 2009 6:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Bibby agrees to 3 years 18 million from Hawks.
If the sixers signed miller to similar i wouldn’t be too upset, 6 million in year 2.5/3 is fine for a back up
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by jemagee on Jul 7, 2009 7:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Avery Johnson fails to get another job, seemingly cause he still doesn’t understand the market for coaches or that no one views him as a savior ala Phil Jackson worth a long term deal.
His failed attempt at the pistons job makes me feel better about the sixers passing on him (probably don’t make sense I know)
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by jemagee on Jul 7, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought he passed on the sixers
Because he felt he was too good to be interviewed…or so was implied.
by jefu on Jul 7, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berri on Artest/Ariza
http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/artest-for-ariza/
I like when numbers support my gut feelings :)
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by jemagee on Jul 7, 2009 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I dont like how they passed up on a good player with a bright future
for someone who gets more media attention.
Ariza will continue to be good on the Rockets, but you won`t hear about him as much.
The lakers, on the other hand, might have team chemistry problems. I never like when championship teams (or almost championship teams) make unnecessary trades the following year.
by jefu on Jul 7, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t even look at his media attention thing, I think thta’s a non issue, but on the court, Artest just doesn’t fit what the Lakers try to do…
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by jemagee on Jul 8, 2009 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So some sort of 4 team deal has occured that gives the magic a trade exception and mavs Shawn Marion.
Also involved Raps (obviously) and Memphis
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by jemagee on Jul 9, 2009 6:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i tried to read the details on this trade
and my brain started to hurt
by tsteidel on Jul 9, 2009 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the players involved are insignificant, I think Stackhouse even has a 2 million dollar buyout – so he’ll probably hit the open market by August 1.
Keys are marion to dallas, toronto finalizes turkoglu and Orlando gets something (the trade exception) for losing Turkoglu
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by jemagee on Jul 9, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea stackhouse has a guaranteed 2 mil and gets 7.5 if he’s on the roster after aug 10 so i expect the grizz to buy him out by then
by tsteidel on Jul 9, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cavs re-sign varajeo
for an average of 8.3 mil a year… personally i would not give that kind of money to him at all
by tsteidel on Jul 9, 2009 6:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Check it out how important is the 3 point range of your point guard?
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by jemagee on Jul 9, 2009 6:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, this link Here takes you directly to the research
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by jemagee on Jul 9, 2009 7:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Portland makes an offer to Milsap – will jazz match?
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by jemagee on Jul 10, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Back up toughness off the bench, supposedly he’s ok with coming off the bench.
Another, more crazy theory is that Portland made the offer to spur the Jazz to action to trade Boozer to the BUlls – I don’t buy that reasoning though.
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by jemagee on Jul 12, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knicks set to offer 1 yr at MLE for Mr. Miller
mentions it about halfway down the page
i don’t expect miller to accept this at all.. it just looks life a formal thing to stat negotiations by donnie walsh
by tsteidel on Jul 16, 2009 7:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know that he’ll get better than the MLE from anyone – and Brian at DF made a good point about why he’d take the MLE from someone else instead of the sixers AND from the Knicks
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by jemagee on Jul 16, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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