Sammy D to Bobcats?
A rumor popped up this week that has Samuel Dalembert going to the Charlotte Bobcats for Nazr Mohammed and Vladimir Radmanovic, with the Sixers either getting a second-round pick in the NBA Draft or swapping first-round picks (17 for 12) with the Bobcats. -- PhillyBurbs
This would be an amazing trade. Again, if you asked me, "Jordan, what trade would be the best possible trade of Samuel Dalembert and be realistic at the same time?" It'd be this one.
Mohammed and Radmanovic both each have 6 million dollar contracts which expire in two years (just like Sam). The difference between them and Sam is, neither one of them would complain as much as Sam. Not to mention, Vladimir Radmanovic would give the Sixers another three-point threat. (38 percent for his career)
Then you throw in a second rounder or move up five spots in the draft? I wouldn't have even looked twice at a rumor like this until the Jason Kapono trade. With Ed Stefanski, anything is possible!
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There are a few ‘insider’ pieces on this
1. SUpposedly it was initiated by Charlotte
2. The sixers are the ones who want the picks involved
It gets rid of sam – so that’s good
aside from that – meh
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 6:47 AM PDT reply actions
Mohammed is maybe almost done as an NBA player, while I think Radmanovic can still contribute. The picks swap will increase the possibilities to get Flynn, all in not a bad package.
Two more bench players on a team that needs starters.
Flynn isn’t the guy to get – so i hope this doesn’t increase the chances of getting him (he’s mostly gone in the top 10)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Sam can be considered a bench player too, can’t he? I believe Radmanovic is more flexible, gives us more options. Mohammed will have a minimal impact.
Sam is better than mohammed – so by saing he has minimal impact you realize that the sixers will be worse defensively right?
Radmonovic got traded for shannon brown and adam morrison – radmonovic is over paid and not very good – sixers already got one bench player who only shoots 3’s, they need another?
I’m all for getting rid of Sam – but if this is the best deal to get and it means elton brand starting at the 5 – it’s a bad dal
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Again.
What more can you ask for? It’s not like you’re going to get anything better for Sam, and I could think of a lot worse.
Yeah – it gets rid of sam – but that’s really all it does
and as much as sam royally sucks – defensively he helps sometimes – and nazr wouldn’t help as much – then again – if jordan wants to start brand at the 5 – the sixers are screwed already
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Hoopsworld
Jonny Flynn?: Last year most draft experts had Russell Westbrook going anywhere from 8 to 12, so when David Stern announced Russell’s name at the #4 spot to Seattle/Oklahoma City most of the air came out of the WaMu Theater as then Sonics’ GM Sam Presti surprised almost everyone. This year it seems Jonny Flynn may be that guy. League sources have indicated Flynn may have cemented himself into a top 6 selection, unless the team with interest moves down. Teams do consider the projections on a players when scheduling workouts but as Sam Presti proved last year when it’s your turn to pick, you pick the guy you feel best solves your needs and problems and if that means the players goes several spots higher than projected that’s rarely something teams consider. None the less when David Stern announces Jonny Flynn a lot earlier than #10 to Milwaukee, don’t be surprised.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 7:09 AM PDT reply actions
ok, I see your point, but having the 12 pick will increase the possibility to have a multiple choice as PG (Maynor, Lawson etc.) instead than picking the one left.
Show me a mock draft that has maynor or lawson going before 17
I’ll wait for you to find one
Most have maynor going at 17 and lawson going long after it…i’m not worried about them being unavailble.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh – well that explains much
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats’ right they can be – and the key word is experts
Though there’s not a single expert mock i’ve seen that has lawson going to #20 – and reports from his workouts are mediocre to middling at best…people who focus on the NBA and the draft for a living.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you apfan
Your words touch my heart.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
If he touches you any other places be sure to let the proper authorities know
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
shoulder?
President and Personal Escort of the Gerry McNamara Fan Club
by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.hoopsworld.com/the_draft/
That looks like earl clark to me
They actually have lawson going 17 to the sixers right now then again they have maynor dropping to 27
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Well they either changed it or I got the site messed up because I am 100% sure that one of the sites had Lawson going to the Pacers
fightlockdown.com
I got the site messed up:http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/06/16/fanhouse-2009-nba-mock-draft-version-3/
SI just posted there new mock and they have us taking Austin Daye
fightlockdown.com
ill eat my face if we take austin daye
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by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
And the sixers drafting dejuan blair and curry falling to new york (which seems unlikely these days) and hasn’t been updated in over a week :)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Blair is infinitely more talented than Evans
Although I totally agree we don’t need him.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
But same type of player: Banger, enforcer, rebounder?
by Jordan Sams on Jun 17, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
So, I tend to agree with you but there seems to be alot of concern about our defense being really bad if we do this trade. I would respond how many games did we play w/ Sammy on the bench most of the game due to dumb fouls. But, anyway, I don’t understand the game as well as some of the people who say our defense maybe the worse in the league if we do the trade.
Thoughts?
Yes
we will be slightly worse at defense because (unfortunately) sammy did know how to play half-decent defense.
Does that mean we’re worse off as a team right now? No. We would get rid of what some would call a ‘virus,’ who complains when he doesn’t get what he wants and has little-to-no team unity. Anything that gets rid of sam is for the better – if not now then definitely for the future.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 17, 2009 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Hang on
this trade is not gonna help the sixers, u get rid of sammy D who is the only rebounder the sixers had, mohammad is not anything special, radmonovic has been traded already once from la to charlotte, and he would be traded once again, so you all know that is saying something about him, he is also like willie, lets start him for 5 min then pretty much done for the rest of the game, green is not bad, idk why he gets the bad rapp with that, but it would be big if they move up in draft, but lawson is better than flynn, so maybe they could drop down 1 or 2 possibly and get another role player and lawson? that sounds like a good idea
A. Radmonovic can shoot 3 better than willie
B. Willie wouldn’t start
C. Sam is terrible, wants to be traded, and the sixers don’t want him
D. Who cares how many times he’s been traded – how many times has chauncey billups been traded – if there was a rumor the sixers were trading for billups would you be against it cause he was traded too many times.
This is a garbage for garbage trade.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 18, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
B should be Radmonovic wouldn’t start
Oh yeah -they play different positions
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 18, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm out of breath from reading this.
That’s one jumbled up run on sentence with a lot of inaccuracies, my friend. The only point I agree on is that Nazr is nothing special. He’s a solid backup center.
You suggesting that Radmanovic isn’t useful to this team because he’s been traded a couple times has no validity. Green and Radmamovic are nothing alike. Yes Green is bad. It is highly unlikely that we can pickup “another role player” if we drop down 1 or 2 picks from 17. This is fantasy world where sentence structure has no bearing on my health.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 18, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s not the question to ask – the question to ask is how much worse was the defense with sam on the bench versus when he was on the floor.
THAT"S the question to ask
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
actually, that is what I have thought alot when I read some going on and on about how bad this trade is because of defense. I thought I recalled 10 or so games last year when Sam was on the bench 35+ minutes, I don’t recall us getting killed at the hoop. Do you?
If only there were a way for you to look it up. – oh wait there is – you could prove your assertions if you wanted
And it all depends on how you calcualte getting killed at the hoop…
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
defense
I would be fine with this trade if we signed a guy like gortat. otherwise we are horrible rebounding wise. then again if brand is our 5 and thad our 4, we will be horrible to. I’m scared.
a savvy defensive lineup
if we sign gortat, a vet like udoka, a vet like barnes, do this bobcats trade, and sign a cheap savvy veteran point guard, our lineup would be:
gortat, smith, mohammed
brand, speights, radmonovic
thad, barnes, kapono
iguodala, udoka, green
brevin knight?, rookie, williams
the team would not have any real holes. we do not have a superstar but we have iggy. we don’t have a superstar point guard, but knight is a great passer that can defend really well. we are layered with shooters on the bench. the team would be set to at least get out of the first round.
Gortat takes the entire MLE to get
So you convince barnes and udoka to take vet minimum deals to play for a team not in the upper echelon of the east?
I doubt it
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
true
even if they use the full mle, don’t they still have the biannual exception? they can give that to udoka (which is actually a pay raise). barnes is quite a reach for the minimum (he actually had a good year last year), but there is nothing wrong with a combo forward coming off the bench that can be a tough defender. if not him, maybe a guy like justin reed or stephen graham is serviceable. imo, just because we have an offensive coach does not mean we should not have lock down defenders.
It’s a pleasant pipe dream
but I don’t think that the sixers are going to pay the luxury tax
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
could this be a move
to possibly land brandon jennings? i’ve seen his name go anywhere from 8-13 (not saying they are credible at all) and with johnny flynn rising in the draft there could be a shot at bj
by Tanner Steidel on Jun 17, 2009 11:48 AM PDT reply actions
I doubt it’s as much a move to land any one particular but just to put them in a better chance to make the pick – 12 is better than 17 – in a mediocre draft it’s not that much better – but the options at 12 are better.
I don’t believe it’ll happen though
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 17, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Jennings is my 'sleeper'.
I think him and Curry are going to be two players we look back at and say, “Man, I can’t believe they went so low.”
People have Jennings going as early as 4 to Sacramento
If Rubio gets drafted 2. I don’t think it’s gonna happen, but that hardly qualifies BJ as a “sleeper,” closer to a long blink.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Rubio isn’t going 2 unless Memphis plans to trade him
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 18, 2009 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I would love us to have a 2nd round pick
My dream: Maynor in 1st round, Christmas in 2nd
I will be thrilled with about 5 others at 17. However, if we instead trade up, that opens a small window into a few players we wouldn’t have had a chance at.
I loved Speights last year and would love nothing more than to rid the Sixers of Sammy D. Nazr only played in 39 games last year at 8.7 minutes per game he’d have to do better than that to fill Sams shoes. Sammy D put up > 24 minutes a game for us and played in every game, can Nazr do that? Does Speights/Brand become the starting Center?
I don’t know just get rid of Sam.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Ok, I got it...
Make the trade, start Brand at the 5, then we can use next year’s high lottery pick on a new center. :)
In all seriousness, though, I’m not sure about that trade. I obviously love the idea of getting rid of Sammy, but I think we might be getting worse in return. Sammy is not terribly good at basketball, but is he more useful that Narz and Radman? As a player? Yeah, probably — Narz’s washed up and Radmanovich is… well, himself. Not only that, but Sammy could actually get us back something in a trade if another team is looking to fill in for an injury. Obviously nobody’s gonna jump out of their seats to get him, but a Rafer Alston-eque trade might be possible if somebody (Houston, I’m looking at you!) loses a center. Finally, come next year, I would think Sammy’s giant, unreasonable expiring contract might be more tradable than 2 smaller, unreasonable expiring contracts*.
*Depending on that trade kicker, I guess?
John.
Are you against this trade? For as much as you hate Sam and Reggie, I expected you to be more excited about this trade and this rumor.
I think you just like playing devil’s advocate. How can you not like this deal?
I hate any deal that puts Elton Brand at the starting five, if the sixers will offer the full MLE to gortat to get him signed i’m better with the deal – but right now elton brand at the five is a horrendous idea – worse than sam at the 5
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 18, 2009 6:47 AM PDT reply actions
Have you guys forgotten...
…how much last year you wanted Sam to ride the bench and give the starting job to Speights? Remember Sam wasn’t going to fit in the new offensive scheme anyway This is the best case scenario for Speights and Smith’s development.
“you guys” – which guys are those?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 18, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions
So a global generalization made up out of your head – that’s always strong…people were calling for speights to get more minutes (including people like John Hollinger) – i recall very few who thought he should start since he was foul prone, and a defensive sieve.
But yeah – you stick with ‘everyone’
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 18, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude..
You’d complain if they kept Sam or if they traded him. So I’m just gonna ignore whatever you have to say from now on.
Say what you want about this deal, BUT 2 bad contracts would be easier to move than 1 god-awful contract.
Well that’s a different aspect – contracts are an off the court issue – there are on the court issues as well.
Look – you said everyone wanted to start speights, and then you changed it, and then you changed it again, and then you change it to an attack on what I have to say and then you start talking about contracts.
Well which is it?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 19, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s not just the trade, the sixers in interviews have posited playing brand at the five.
If this trade happens it would most likely be the plan going into training camp unless speights GROSSLY improves in the off season, like more than Young improved after his first season. Speights defense would need to improve by leaps and bounds to be as mediocre as Sams
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 18, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
this would be a terrible trade, green is better than rad, all rad does is stand by the 3 point line and makes them here and there. we just got some guy named kapoono to do that. plus young and spieghts are improving and now both espially speights is gonna not have as much playing time. Naz and sammy d are a split, all this trade does is gets news into the media and a chance for players to start out fresh with new teams, only way this trade is a success is if the sixers do in fact swap picks. idk how much the salaries are with the players so maybe another reason why this trade may go through. anyone have the salary information by chance?
You’re not making any sense
some how radmonovic affects the playing time of willie, speights and young all at once? I don’t know how that’ spossible since they play THREE DIFFERENT POSITIONS
Radmonovic would not be a starter in philadelphia – he isn’t a starter – and there’s one thing the sixers SUCKED at that Radmonovic is good at
whereas willie green sucks all around
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 18, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The trade works salary-wise
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ldt8kf
Sammy D doesn’t want to be here, and this trade would give us the chance to get another guy who can hit the 3, and a better pick to bot. Nazr’s at least serviceable as a backup C. Don’t see how this doesn’t make sense.
Starting Elton Brand at center
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 19, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Again
They don’t play the same position
And oh yeah
WILLIE GREEN SUCKS
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 18, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought this way it might get through to you.
They play different positions, they are both bench players, willie sucks overall, louis williams is better than him, Radmonovic at least has a history of 3 point shots – the thing the sixers are most heinous at.
Pointing out that this somehow will take minutes away from Willie Green (again – tell me why) and saying it like it’s a bad thing is baffling.
This won’t take minutes away from anyone on the team who matters if it happens
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 18, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
10:1 if you track ESPN’s ‘source’ on this it ends up back on the realgm posting.
This is how it works these days…something gets posted on the internet – might just be made u by someone – someone takes it seriously – it evolves – than some newspaper idiot prints it as a rumor with legs and then it gets to ESPN>
It’s worse than believing Sam Smith or Peter Vescey…ESPN doesn’t exactly have any kind of track record here with the rumor mongering
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on Jun 23, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
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