Getting to know Eddie Jordan
Since the day Mo Cheeks was fired, Eddie Jordan's name has been tossed around as a possible replacement. I've heard conflicting stories about his coaching style and gone back and forth with my opinion of him, so I decided to seek the "expert" opinion of Wizards blogger JakeTheSnake to get the real scoop.
Liberty Ballers: What were your overall feelings about Eddie Jordan when he was the Wizards coach?
Jake: In my mind, Eddie Jordan is a very solid coach. Sure, you won't put his name alongside the greats in the league like Jackson, Poppovich, and Sloan, but he can take the talent that you give him and make it better. I don't think it's a coincidence that players like Gilbert Arenas, Caron Butler, Larry Hughes, Jared Jeffries, and DeShawn Stevenson all enjoyed career years under his tutelage.
He'll always have a special place in the hearts of Wizards fans because he was able to lead the Wizards out of the first round of the playoffs in 2005. For some franchises that might not mean a whole lot, but considering it's the only happened it's happened here in the last quarter century, that's pretty special.
Liberty Ballers: What were his strengths? Weaknesses?
Jake: His greatest strength definitely comes on the offensive side of the ball. His Princeton offense comes with a steep learning curve for some, but once you see a player start to understand the system, it's a beautiful thing.
He's also not an ego-driven coach. You won't see him trying to make himself the story or burying players on the bench just to show who's in charge. The one exception to this rule being the saga he once had with Brendan Haywood back in 2006-07, but he also went out of his way to resolve the issue that off-season.
His greatest weakness is always going to be defense. Sure, he might not have had the roster in Washington to form a top-notch defense, but there were some fundamental problems with his defensive schemes that kept the squad from even being average on the defensive end. His other weakness is that sometimes you'll see him rely more on players who look like they're giving effort, even if they don't produce that much (see Ruffin, Michael). If Jordan ends up in Philly and you end up lamenting that Reggie Evans is getting more playing time than Marreese Speights, remember that I said this.
Liberty Ballers: In an average year, how many times did you write the phrase "We were out-coached tonight," in your recaps while Jordan was the coach?
Jake: Admittedly, I'm not the best evaluator of in-game coaching decisions and I didn't write many recaps until after Jordan was fired, but if I had to guess I'd say he was out-coached a little less than half the time. In other words, his won-loss record when the team was healthy was indicative of what kind of success he had in the coaching battle. More times than not when he was out-coached it was because of poor substitution patterns rather than bad X's and O's.
Liberty Ballers: How do you think the players responded to Jordan? Did they respect him?
Jake: Jordan had a rep as a player's coach in Washington and I think that the team's performance reflected that. You didn't see too many nights where the team didn't show up or looked disinterested. There were a lot of times where the Wizards would beat good teams and lose to bad teams in a very short span and people would attribute that to a lack of effort, but I think that's just a byproduct of having an explosive offensive team that can't stop anyone. They were good enough to outscore anyone but they were so bad defensively that they could never run away from anyone either.
Liberty Ballers: How did Jordan handle Agent Zero's huge personality?
Jake: It's hard to really say because Jordan is the only coach that Gilbert has worked with in Washington (unless you count the two games he played with Ed Tapscott), so I don't have another example to compare it with. Some fans think that Jordan did a good job of understanding Gilbert's quirks and working around them to keep everything flowing smoothly, but there are others that think he gave Gilbert too much free reign. I stand somewhere in the middle (cop out!): He wasn't cracking down on every goofy thing he did, which was a good thing since most of it is harmless, but there were times where I think everyone would have been better served if he had put his foot down a little more.
Liberty Ballers: Jordan never won more than 45 games as the Wizards coach. Do you think he should have won more? Or was 45 wins the best he could do with the Wizards roster?
Jake: If the team had stayed healthy, I think the team was capable of winning 50 games. The injuries he had to deal with negatively skew his win-loss percentage (44.4%), but even if the team was fully healthy, I don't think we're looking at a coach that's championship calibur on a consistent basis. Without a defense, it's hard to expect much more than 50 wins per season, unless your name is Mike D'Antoni.
Liberty Ballers: Did you ever feel that the Wizards were unprepared or unfocused under Jordan?
Jake: Not really. Like I said before, Eddie was a player's coach and the relationship that he had with the players made it easier to get consistent performance out of them every night. Every team has times when they look unprepared or unfocused, but I think Eddie was better at cutting down on than most coaches.
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I want to thank Jake for taking the time to answer my questions. Now I have a better understanding of Eddie Jordan the coach. My newly formed opinion: One wore sums it up -- solid. Would I be super-psyched if we signed him? No. Would I be bummed? No. He seems like a super-solid coach, and much better than Tony DiLeo. I don't like the fact that his weakness is defense, but hey, I'm sure the perimeter defense can't get much worse can it? I think the biggest beneficiary of his Princeton offense would be Thaddeus Young, and that's exactly what this team needs -- Thad to develop into a star.
EJ is beginning to look like my favorite coaching candidate.
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How do you see the individual Sixer players in the Priceton offense?
Can you hide a Sam or Reggie? Can guys who live off isolation (Iguodala/Lou) thrive?
I think the other bigs have decent range and offensive IQ’s, so Brand/Speigts/Smith would do well.
Thad could be used in any system. Once he has a good handle he really has few flaws on offense- but he too is well suited to isolation with his good first step.
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Yes – the roster has to be adjusted – which is why the first thing that happens in the off season predicates what comes next – GOTTA hire a coach.
And if Jordan is the guy – it also means that jordan wanted the job and/or comcast was willing to out pay the maloofs
Those are good things right?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 6, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's how I'd rank the roster in-terms of fitting with the Princeton
Good fits:
Andre Iguodala
Thaddeus Young
Lou Williams (because the Princeton doesn’t have as big of a distinction between 1 and 2, but if he doesn’t pick up the system, it’s a moot point)
Donyell Marshall
Not a bad fit or a good fit (a.k.a. I have no idea):
Willie Green
Andre Miller (I have no question about whether or not he could learn the system, I’m just not sure it would utilize his strengths very well)
Royal Ivey
Kareem Rush
Elton Brand (If he can make it back healthy, I’d probably put him closer to good)
Bad fits:
Samuel Dalembert
Reggie Evans
Marreese Speights
Theo Ratliff
Just remember as you read this that just because a player is a bad fit doesn’t mean that they’ll become a bad player. Jordan has a way of making players that might not be traditional fits for the system turn into productive players. Likewise, just because someone is a good fit doesn’t mean they’ll immediately become a star either. Talent still counts for something.
In all honesty, I think Jordan would fit better in Sacramento, but I think he could still work out very well in Philly just as long as he doesn’t mess with the defense. Then again, the only times I’ve gotten to watch the Sixers this season is when they played the Wizards and a little bit of their series with Orlando, so I’m open to debate on any of this.
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by Jake Whitacre on May 6, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
And why would speights be a bad fit? I see no reason he couldn’t learn the princeton offense, offensively he’s more polished than most guys on the team…
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 7, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
When I put that list together I didn’t realize how good he was at outside shooting. I think his passing still needs some work if he wants to be a really good fit in the Princeton, but I think he’ll do well with Jordan.
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by Jake Whitacre on May 7, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
If jordan can be convinced to bring in a ‘defensive’ coordinator – i’ll feel better about it – i like him better than van gundy collins and avery -
: His greatest strength definitely comes on the offensive side of the ball. His Princeton offense comes with a steep learning curve for some, but once you see a player start to understand the system, it’s a beautiful thing.
Ok – this right there – if Jordan is hired – Sam Dalembert can NEVER EVER play for the sixers again…dude still hasn’t learned the basics of basketball – how the hell will he learn the princeton offense.
I liked a lot about what this guy said about Jordan – and I agree with a lot of it too about the potential of the wizards roster.
Only thing – and maybe he didn’t have the option – or maybe it just didn’t come up – but I’m interested to know how ALL pending coaches handle youing guys, rookies, an ascending Young, a raw but extremely talented Speights, and whoever the rookie is – that’s 3 guys under 21 basically who need to be a HUGE part of the sixers to contend – we need a coach who won’t waste time and won’t break their spirits…someone who knows how to get the most out of guys of all experience.
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 6, 2009 8:56 PM PDT reply actions
Right now McKie is the defensive CO
Big fan of Blue, but not off to a great start.
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He can only work with what he’s got
Starting PF most of the season under sized
Starting Center – dumber than a box of rocks
Back up PF 1 – tries real hard – but no real defensive skill and not much real basketball IQ in my opinion
Back up PF 2 – rookie who likes offense but not so much defense
And that’s just the front court :)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 6, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
However
Bad substitution patterns
bad use of mareese speights
bad game managment
lack of halftime adjustments
those are purely on the coach
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 7, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
If you guys have any other questions for Jake...
Post ‘em and I’ll ask him to come over here and answer some of them the best he can.
Maybe about Butler and Jamison
Since that is how I presume he would utilize Iguodala and Young. So what did he expect from those 2, and what was their main role in the Princeton offense…
And I sure hope Lou does not assume the Hibachi’s role.
…and how might he use Brand. A high post scorer who is an average passer but great on the o-boards?
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Their roles varied depending on whether or not Arenas was available
When Arenas was out there, Butler worked more off the ball and when he went down he became more of a facilitator. Jamison’s role remained largely the same regardless of who played. He would post up some, they use him out on the perimeter some, and from time to time they would run him off screens to get him open shots outside or on backdoor cuts to get him open shots near the rim. I can see Jordan using Iguodala in a lot of the same ways he used Butler and he’ll do some of the same thing with Young that he did with Jamison, although he probably won’t run as many plays to create open threes for Thad.
The thing you have to remember with the Princeton is that they use a lot of dribble handoffs, so it isn’t as important to have a traditional pure point guard like most offenses do. As long as there’s a player on the court that can facilitate, it doesn’t really matter what position he’s playing at the moment. That’s why the Arenas/Larry Hughes backcourt was so effective while it was together, even though neither player is a true point.
The other thing that all Princeton coaches like are big men who can pass and stretch the defense with outside shooting (think Brad Miller). Donyell Marshall would be a good fit for the Princeton, but I have no idea if Philly plans on keeping him after this season. If Jordan comes on and Philly doesn’t bring back Marshall, I think it would serve them well to sign someone that can give them 15-20 minutes per night of that because I don’t think any of your other bigs can do that, except maybe Jason Smith, but I’m not sure where he stands health-wise. The offense can still function well without a traditional Princeton big (Brendan Haywood and Etan Thomas don’t exactly fit the Princeton billing) but having the option available to you couldn’t hurt.
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by Jake Whitacre on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like a good fit for Speights.
He has great range (working out to 3pts, like Smith) and make quick decisions with the ball.
Brand is more deliberate when he has the ball, but has a nice jumper out to 16 feet. So I’m not sold it would maximize his skills. And in some ways he’s a grinder and opportunity player- but that should work in any system.
I do like how flexible it sounds with Jamison. Thad looks to be able to do all of those things, including 3’s (36% 2nd half of season.) I like the idea of an offense that can take advantage of versatile players and does not lock them into predefined roles or spots on the floor.
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I'm gonna say no, based mostly on this answer
“His greatest weakness is always going to be defense. Sure, he might not have had the roster in Washington to form a top-notch defense, but there were some fundamental problems with his defensive schemes that kept the squad from even being average on the defensive end. His other weakness is that sometimes you’ll see him rely more on players who look like they’re giving effort, even if they don’t produce that much (see Ruffin, Michael). If Jordan ends up in Philly and you end up lamenting that Reggie Evans is getting more playing time than Marreese Speights, remember that I said this.”
Bringing in an offensive guy when offense is by no means the strength of the team would be a huge mistake in my opinion.
Send GT Green packing.
Can we get an answer on Jordan and rookies/young guys?
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 7, 2009 7:41 AM PDT reply actions
It's hard to say
For most of Jordan’s tenure, he didn’t have a lot of rookies and young guys to deal with.
In 2003, he had Jarvis Hayes and Steve Blake. Hayes dealt with loads of injuries and Blake was only around for two years, but played well.
In 2004, we traded our first round pick (Devin Harris) for Jamison and the second round pick (Peter John Ramos) didn’t amount to anything.
In 2005, the only pick was Andray Blatche and he was shot that summer so he didn’t play much until his second year. There have been times when I didn’t agree with everything he did with Blatche, but Andray has a tendency to be a knucklehead, so it’s easy to understand why he didn’t seem to enjoy giving Blatche minutes from time to time.
In 2006, both players that were picked were playing in Europe. The first round pick (Oleksiy Pecherov) came over in 2007, was injured for the first half of the season and hasn’t done much since coming over. He shown a couple of flashes when he gets garbage time minutes, but nothing that really makes you think he deserves a whole lot more minutes than he was getting. The second round pick (Vladimir Veremeenko) is still in Europe so no judgment there.
In 2007, Nick Young and Dominic McGuire both got extensive minutes because of all the injuries, so he probably didn’t get to develop them in the way he would’ve liked. The same thing can be said for JaVale McGee who was thrust into the starting lineup early in the season because of the injuries when most people assumed early on he wouldn’t get much playing time. Thought it was interesting that his replacement (Ed Tapscott, who coincidentally is the head of player development) played JaVale less than Eddie did while playing Blatche and McGuire more. For what it’s worth, Tapscott seemed to value Blatche and McGuire’s defensive contributions much more than Jordan did.
In summary, there’s nothing glaring about his treatment of young players either positively or negatively, but that’s mainly because there’s not a lot of data to work with.
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by Jake Whitacre on May 7, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Jake. BTW, what was you impression of Collin when he was coach?
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I'd love to tell you, but I've blocked the MJ era from my mind
In all seriousness, I wasn’t the fan of basketball then that I am today (I was only 14 at the time) so I couldn’t really tell you all that much. I remember the generic criticism was that MJ was the one really calling the shots behind the scenes, but that’s about all I can remember.
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by Jake Whitacre on May 7, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
If you go over to sactownroyalty.com they have some interesting links to coaching search info in general and some highlights of how jordans interview went with the kings…sounds like they liked him and that the only other candidate is paul westhead (or westphal, always got those two confused)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 13, 2009 8:15 AM PDT reply actions
thanks :)
"Someone created the box score," Morey says, "and he should be shot."
Blocked shots — they look great, but unless you secure the ball afterward, you haven’t helped your team all that much.
by jemagee on May 13, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions

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