Sixers lose 11th straight
by Jordan Sams on Dec 9, 2009 6:51 PM PST
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PrintI'd be lying if I said I was disappointed the Sixers lost their 11th straight game. At this point, we have to look at the pros and cons of winning games.
Pros
- Make the playoffs and get knocked out in the first round, again!
- Less ping pong balls.
- Eddie Jordan never gets fired.
- False hope that this team can win a championship.
- A slim chance that Dalembert, Brand and/or Green are traded.
- Mediocrity forever.
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im about to cry thats how upset i am....
i thought the sixers would be good this year and so did all of the “experts” as like like the top 5 teams in the east
eff you we winning anyway
Lets not forget they’re without three of their better players in Williams, Speights and now, Holiday. They’ve also had injuries causing missed games to Elton Brand.
You can’t blame this one on EJ, he did as well as he could, except not subbing Jason Smith in to keep 2 bigs in the game in the 2nd half. The Sixers fell behind with Brand, Young, Iguodala, Iverson and Green on the floor, not scoring points. Too many minutes in a row and these guys get burned out and tired.
I thought they were good enough as is to beat the Pistons, but it turns out they cannot play a full 48 minutes at the same high level with the 6 core players they have. Sorry to conclude it, but unless one of them has a spectacular game or all of them have really good games, the Sixers won’t win until another of their players comes back from injury.
Your Last Paragraph says it all
Some people might argue that rooting against your team is a cardinal sin in sports. I agree. I’m not rooting against the Sixers. I’m rooting for a better future. The ultimate goal is to win a championship, and winning 38 games a year for an entire decade does nothing towards that goal.
and even more telling is your last sentence …
Plus, it’s really hard to root for a team when I know the end result of winning (this season) is, more Eddie Jordan.
Amen!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
I always say when it comes to my team (s)
I will ALWAYZ support my team (s) through thick and thin! But I will NOT support a Problem (s) on my team (s) that is hindering them from moving forward and succeeding! Period!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Well, jordan if you do buy COD..
It really does numb the pain of losses and an abysmal team/season. That said, this team does need an overhaul at some point. I’ve said that this team has no cohesion and still am a firm believer. I can’t take much stock in this game because I didn’t see it but we really do need a new direction to this team, as well as identity.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I root for them during the game… but I know they won’t win most nights- so not really let down when they lose. Might as well let yourself enjoy the rare win they get.
I do strongly agree it is in their best long term interest to get a shot at a top 5 pick. A star would look nice surrounded by all of the young talent this team has. They could build to something over the next 3 years- but they have to bottom out first.
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The nets when healthy are a better team than the healthy sixers team, and they’re getting healthier and the sixers stinks
by jemagee on Dec 10, 2009 7:42 AM PST up reply actions
Jordan is not the problem...
I am a Sixers fan, and may be completely off base but hear me out. Eddie Jordan is not the problem with this team, the players are the problem. We have players with the attributes to be a “running, fast break, exciting” team, BUT THAT FORUMLA DOES NOT WORK!! How successful were the Suns using that? They won alot of regular season games, but really never challenged for a title (besides that Spurs series where Amare was suspended for leaving the bench). Teams that play half-court offense are the ones who continually win.
I thought we made a great move bringing Elton and i was hoping it would start to help change the way this team plays. You can’t expect a big man like Brand to run up and down and be successful. That doesn’t help a guy who’s injury prone to not get hurt. He is a true PF that sets up in the low block and backs a guy down.
Then we have Andre who is a great player, but he’s such a hybrid that he throws everything off. He is too small to play SF defensively, and doesn’t have much of a shooting touch to play SG. So we throw him in at the 3, and who do we get, Bill Green. He is a 2nd guy off the bench at best.
Sammy is terrible for what we pay him, but can still serve as a center.
So Jordan comes in here with an offense that is doesn’t fit the players we have here, but the players we have here haven’t done anything, so get rid of them, and let Jordan pick who he wants in here. and it starts with them drafting a true PG, letting brand play PF filling in the holes from there. Trading Iguodala while the league thinks he’s a superstar isn’t a bad idea. Thoughts?
Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.
The suns example is a pretty bad exaple since they were at the top of the west when they had d’antoni and the right roster, and some BS suspensions away from the nba finals.
Jordan is the problem because he puts round pegs in square holes and expects them to fit.
by jemagee on Dec 10, 2009 7:42 AM PST up reply actions
agreed, thats why i mentioned the suns, but while they were at the top, they never pushed through to win it all, and were always stopped by a team that played a more methodical, half court offense to slow the game down.
If you’re talking about putting round pegs in square holes, then look at Stefanski, because he tried to make Jordan and his offense work with the type of players that are here. Jordan can’t be blamed for this because Stefanski knew the players he had here, and made the mistake of thinking the players can make the switch to a different offense. Jordan needs a chance to bring in his players to make his system work. Can we just blow up the team and start fresh with Jrue, Brand, M16, Kapono and Thad with Smith coming off the bench?
Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.
I’m not saying stefanski isn’t at fault, but that doesn’t excuse Eddie Jordans piss poor performance.
A GOOD COACH adjusts his system to maximize his roster, a GOOD COACH doesn’t bad mouth one of his better defenders and highest paid players constantly, a GOOD COACH doesn’t treat the best defender of all his guards like a dog with 3 legs.
Jordan deserves to be fired all by himself
by jemagee on Dec 10, 2009 8:03 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know if you've heard but...
Jordan has always sucked. He had a .444 career winning percentage before coming to the sixers. I don’t feel like looking up what it is now, but it’s gotten worse. As a head coach he’s been out of the first round of the playoffs just once. Over the past two years as a head coach he has a combined record of 6-27. That’s pretty god-awful no matter how you look at it. His best days are behind him.
The Suns
Lost because they had a crappy owner and made bad move after bad move in the offseason and during the Draft — the system wasn’t the problem.
It’s not about playing fast versus playing slow, don’t get bogged down by that.
When they were at their peak though – they missed the finals because of that suspensions BS mostly.
They got a new owner who got stupid
by jemagee on Dec 10, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
The suspensions
Happened after a couple years of mistakes with Sarver as the owner (ie Joe Johnson, Deng, Rondo, Rudy Fernandez, Marcus Banks, etc.)
They were victims of injuries and bad luck as well. The suspensions were bogus as you mentioned, but Joe Johnson also messed up his face the one year and Amare got hurt another year. The Suns are just snake-bitten as a franchise though.
I just don’t like that people use the Suns as an example of a team failing in the end because of the style they played. It’s just not true.
Your theory is flawed. Teams can run and win. The only common denominator is great defense. The two most successful teams in the league, the Showtime Lakers and Russell’s Celtics, were both running teams that played great defense. The Showtime Lakers were top-10 on D.
The Sixers are built to be a good defensive team, and hired a guy who can’t coach defense, ever. First mistake. Second mistake is that they hired him to use an offense that is predicated on the threat of the mid-range jumper to set up everything else, and works best when you have bigs who are natural facilitating playmakers to act as hubs. The Sixers cannot shoot well enough to make an opponent honor it and open up for the backdoor cuts, and lack the bigs who can consistently make that pass anyway.
So, yes, Jordan is the problem. He is likely the worst possible coach you could’ve hired given the roster’s makeup and temperament. This team needs to be geared on pressure D that triggers the running game, while gelling in the half-court by maximizes the players strengths. That means Thad on the block, not running P&R. That means Brand on the block, at the Elbow, setting screens and popping out or rolling. That means Iguodala in space, with shoot/pass options or on the block bullying smaller 2s.
You say dump the players and get what Jordan wants, what the hell has Jordan done to deserve that respect? He is a mediocre coach whose never won above 45 games ever. At least Mo had a 50 & 49 win season on his resume.
I saw the UCONN UK highlights and I want to know how tall John Wall really is, cause dude moves and defends like he could be a 2 guard
by jemagee on Dec 10, 2009 7:43 AM PST reply actions
Listed at 6’3 but probably closer to 6’2
by Michael Levin on Dec 10, 2009 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
Still
Better than LouWill and Iverson backcourt combo in EJ’s world.
Well yeah – but the hope is a stupid coach is fired :)
by jemagee on Dec 10, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah for sure
But I wouldn’t be so quick to say it couldn’t work under any circumstance either way. I do think Wall is a combo guard (at least as of now) but I think him and Jrue both would handle bigger guards relatively well. Obviously, I don’t think it would be a backcourt that could handle Kobe, but it would probably fare better than expected against most two guards.
So where all those folks who said i was being negative when i saw the sixers slightly below 500 and probably getting the 8 seed and losing in the first round.
Where all those 50 game winner folk stepping up and saying – yeah i picked em to win 50
by jemagee on Dec 10, 2009 10:02 AM PST reply actions
I picked them to have 50 wins plus, but they’re not going to do that now. A quarter of the way through the season and they have the 2nd worst record in the Conference. Injuries and bad coaching have conspired with some prejuidicial refereeing and bad luck to produce a historic losing streak.
Once Speights and Williams come back, however, the Sixers will start winning and should still be able to make the playoffs.
Ed Stefanski can’t fire Jordan until he’s had at least 10 games with his roster healthy.
Every game the Sixers fall behind when Jordan tries to go with a small line-up, without Brand or Dalembert. Then the starters come back, but can’t score enough to get us back into the game and we lose. There just isn’t enough talent to keep enough players on the floor playing at a high enough level to win for 48 min. Just a little more rest, and not having to come back from a deficit might work wonders. Extra points, rebounds and assists from Holiday, Speights and Williams will help too.
Ed Stefanski can’t fire Jordan until he’s had at least 10 games with his roster healthy.
He’s had 10 games with his roster healthy (Iverson doesn’t count) and they sucked then too.
by jemagee on Dec 11, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Prejudicial refereeing? You cannot be serious. You started at optimism, passed naivete, and blew by ignorance. Right now you’re at full blown LSD-induced insanity. I wouldn’t operate heavy machinery if I were you.
by Michael Levin on Dec 13, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
I prefer they tight and draft John Wall
Not sure why they’re trading Iguodala
And since they’ve been trying to trade Dalembert for about 10 months now, I’m not sure what makes anyone think they’ll get something for him now.
But I’m on board with the firing of all people named Ed associated with the sixers.
by jemagee on Dec 10, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Why has Sammy D but such a beast the last two games?
Makes me even more angry when he starts sucking again.
He always has a few games where he looks good and gives people hope
by jemagee on Dec 10, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
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