Alexander Iverson is back
by Jordan Sams on Dec 2, 2009 7:02 AM PST
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Surprise!
According to ESPN, Iverson has accepted the Sixers offer and will make his debut on Monday.
This has been inevitable since the Stephen A. Smith BROKE THE NEWS! We all called Stefasnki's bluff when he continued to spoon-feed Sixers Nation a bunch of BS.
"Oh, we don't know if we want Iverson yet."
"We're totally non-committal."
"We have no plans to pursue Iverson."
All a bunch of BS, and we knew better. Good for us.
Now to the basketball side of things, Iverson is going to score 20 PPG until Lou Williams returns. Count on it. Fans everywhere are going to scream "he is back!". He is back alright. If by "back" you mean, being a ball-hog, stunting the growth of the young core, playing ZERO defense, and scoring just enough to make the Sixers a mediocre team who loses in the first round, then yeah, HE'S BACK!
Prove me wrong Allen. 40 year-old Brett Favre sure did. He's about to win an NFL MVP and a Super Bowl. Why can't 34 year-old Allen Iverson do the same thing?
But until I'm proven wrong, I will continue to believe that this is a crippling move for a franchise already in shambles, and all the "excitement" will be out the window when the team continues to lose.
Ladies and gentlemen, Allen Iverson!
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Brett Favre (like Tony Romo) hasn’t played in December yet, so let’s wait before he wins the MVP – & btw – Drew Brees & Peyton Manning would like to point out that their teams haven’t lost a game yet.
as for Iverson, he’s going to get ‘his’ when Lou gets back as well, and everyone knows it.
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 7:04 AM PST reply actions
Chris Johnson would like to point out that he is running as well as anyone since Eric Dickerson. And all 3 (Johnson, Brees and Manning) are all leading teams with, arguably, less talent than the Vikes (all Day, ROY Percy Harvin, Allen, the Williams boys).
Part of me thinks it will be nice to see AI come in and have a victory lap in an otherwise meaningless season. Most of me thinks it’s a shame to derail an entire season for a victory lap for a guy whose best years are in the rear view mirror.
Has anyone even considered that there is good odds with the way Jordan sits everyone, starter or not, Jrue is still going to have good minutes… AI also plays SG and primary played it in his career.
Not really…look @ Jrue’s string of DNP’s before Lou goes down…
Iverson just replaces Lou in the rotation for now…
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t happy about this … even though I think it sets the overall plan back a few steps.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
But honestly, the “overall plan” probably wasnt going to work anyway, which is why Im more excited than pissed about this.
by philiafan14364 on Dec 2, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I’m the only person who doesn’t care about this? WHo becomes less interested in the sixers this season unless they somehow trade sam and/or willie (will they even try now?)
For me this is just a god awful move with absolutely NO positive long term impact on the team…just more desperation moves to keep the team wallowing in mediocrity
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 9:26 AM PST reply actions
Gets quite old, but useless tools constantly feel the need to bring it up
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Not as a non sixer fan
Some sixer fans still find it comical
And for some reason if they’re sixers fans they aren’t tools?
Anyone who brings up practice is a tool…period…it was blown out of proportion then and bringing it up now is just asinine
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
it does not get old magee. it happened years ago so now there is no reason to not find it funny. Now if only we can have a practice part II. That would be great.
Well it’s true, if you have the sense of humor and intelligence of a five year old it probably doesn’t get old.
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
nuggets fan here
I still love the practice video. Not in a bad way…its just funny as heck. And I’m happy A.I. is back where he started it all. I was glad to have him as a Nugget and he is great fun to watch!
Dear Rockies - Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster of a season! NL Wild Card Champs. Best turnaround in MLB history for a team to win the Wild Card. Can't wait to do it again next year!
Troy Tulowitzki - MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba - Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Iverson was right about Practice. Larry Brown was being an Ass.
I’m happy that AI is back. To me it means salvaging this season and making it possible for us to make the playoffs.
The only reason we don’t get to the 2nd round is a bad pairing or our coach screwing things up. Right now, Eddie is planning on starting Holiday, Green, Iguodala, Young and Dalembert. I find this very disturbing, and think it’s a bad lineup. That this is what he thinks is their best starting unit, makes me want to have him fired right now!
2 rebounders on the floor at all times, right? WTF, Ed and Eddie?
Of course you like it, that’s to be expected.
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Is his first name really Alexander by the way? Never knew that
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions
Listen, The sixers aren’t going to win an NBA championship with any of the players they have on the roster, that’s just a fact that everyone has to accept. Look at how many different NBA champions there have been since the Sixers last won it in the 82-83 season…… 7!!! The Lakers, Pistons, Bulls, Rockets, Spurs, Celtics, Pistons, Heat. Thats it. The game of basketball is dominated by stars. So until we get our Kobe, Jordan, or Duncan (Lebron will be added to this list shortly), stop worrying about developing mediocre young talent like Lou williams and Maurice Speights and enjoy the entertainment that A.I. brings to the table……… Watch this video and tell me you weren’t on top of the world when A.I. stepped over little Tyrone Lue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grXws5m11SA
Why would I be on top of the world when I was pretty sure the sixers had no shot in that series.
Bringing back Iverson DELAYS the ability to obtain any stars because it will put the sixers lower in the draft and less likely to be a lottery winner (or in the lottery at all)
Your opinion is the one that drives the sixers, the sixers (like the phillies used to be) aren’t driven by anything but public opinion and what the fan wants…when the phillies stopped listening to the fans THAT’s when they made the smarter moves and won the title.
The sixers are doomed until an ownership change
I’d blow this fucker up and start over, if they did that at least i’d have faith they were realizing their current direction is pointless
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
"when the phillies stopped listening to the fans THAT’s when they made the smarter moves and won the title."
was that before, or after they fired ed wade?
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Dec 2, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
oh, that's right. you're ignoring me.
isn;t that convenient.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Dec 2, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
If i recall correctly, the Phillies never did what the fans wanted. We always wanted the big free agent but never got it, Instead we were stuck with the David Bell’s of the world. And comparing how to build a team in baseball is completely different to building a team in basketball. In basketball you need a star and then you can add pieces around them. Baseball you need a solid lineup 1-8, solid bullpen, and starting pitching.
Interesting, you remember that they signed David Bell but do you recall who else they signed that off season?
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
i had a posting here, didn't I?
is this 6 now that you’ve deleted?
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Dec 2, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
I deleted nothing – there are others with the power to do so and since you told one of them to fuck off last night maybe it was him.
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Ricky Ledee?…………… Clearly it was Thome (God I loved that man, in the most non-homosexual way possible), but again baseball cannot be compared to basketball. I clearly see what your issue is, simply put you are a pure hater. I try making a post reminiscing about A.I. and all the excitement he brought to this city, then you come along and start hating. If the sixers make you this bitter then please go become a fan of the celtics or something.
Yes, I’m bitter because I realize it’s not 2001 any more and i’m ‘hating’ because I think it’s ridiculous that the sixers brought iverson back to placate ignorant and uncomprehending fans…
So basically, because I think it’s a bad idea i’m ‘hating’ because i’m not thrilled to have back one of the most ovr rated MVPs in the history of the NBA?
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
“So basically, because I think it’s a bad idea i’m ‘hating’ because i’m not thrilled to have back one of the most ovr rated MVPs in the history of the NBA?”
This is the definition of hating. Iverson poured his heart out on the court. He earned the respect of this city regardless of he left the first time, and you are showing him no respect. Your attitude is unfortunate,
There is no blowing this team up...
With Iguodala, Brand, Thad and Williams healthy, they are not gonna finish in the bottom part of the league and may make the playoffs anyway…no one wants Iguodala or Brand’s contracts…We don’t have money for any of the big name Free Agents, nor do they want to come here…how do you plan on starting over and how long is it going to take?
They are better off with AI and putting a respectable product on the court until the time comes when they can make big moves…
I bet you if the sixers put iguodal on the market there’d be a lot of takers.
He’s more appreciated around the league than he is by sixer fans who just want to make all the flaws with the sixers his fault
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
I’d explain it to you but it would be over your head…but you should learn what restricted free agent means
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
This is my 1st formal post. Im sorry if I am a little winded… As a fan of the NBA and a loyal fan of the Sixers I had to get my opinion out there. This in my opinion has been one of the best front ofices and coach we have had. Now who ever has the power to make trades on this team get on your job and I need you to hear me carefully. 1st, we need A SCORER to help Iggy/Young/ andSpeights. A Josh Smith or A.I "but we been there, tried that. 2nd, We have to use are trade bait, its early in the year but we need are team to start clicking, by getting rid of Brand and Dalembert with a sprinkle of Green for a pick and a big who can run with us i.e NENE or Tyson Chandler we could possible do a better job in the paint area. 3rd, Instill some heart into the these profesionals, this is the NBA, take some pride in your profession. and if we cant get Rid of Sam/or Elton advise these two to play team ball by playing like bigs that posses that talent that these two cats have in them. Sam you are not a guard and your not ever going to be, please step your game up and play like a center, and Brand look at yourself in the mirror and say im a team player and I want to be leader of this team by setting the example of a winner. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORD. Get it together guys. You guys are on the brink of Greatness, now start playing like it.
by KamauFox3000 on Oct 28, 2009 10:31 PM PDT actions 0 recs
I guess the prediction I made was right on….thanks sixers
This in my opinion has been one of the best front ofices and coach we have had.
You’re talking about Ed Stefanski and Eddie Jordan right?
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Well I’m talking about the listening power of the two. We speak, they listen. I feel like we are part of the team in a sense. In all, Iverson gives us another weapon that’s not scared to make mistakes and at least puts us in a position to win. He’s a veteran and a winner at heart. Good move sixers
And you think listening to the fans make someone a good GM/coach?
Ok then, i personally think if you build your franchise based on what the fans want you might as well let larry brown be in charge cause they just as picky and willful and neurotic about who is good an who isn’t.
Seriously, if you feel that by listening to the fanbase to build a franchise is a good idea I pretty much know all I need to know
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
They say, when you start listening to the fans you’ll soon find yourself sitting in the stands among them.
I think as a spectator and a person who has any knowledge of basketball can help a losing team and give opinions that the coach may not see. Eddie Jordan even said it at the begining of the season. He tired not to make anyone of his players feel out of place but he said we dont know which one of our guys are going to be are star. He blindfully picked Iggy, because of the progress he seen last season but truthfully he knew iggy needed help. So to say, fans cant be of assistance to a losing team and the organization is going to be in the stands with the team is crazy. Give the sixer fans some credit, we know garbage athletes when we see it. And that’s why we critique, we want the team to succced.
by KamauFox3000 on Dec 3, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Blindfully?
Nothing you or I say matters. You are a member of the ignorant masses. To the Sixers, you don’t exist.
by Michael Levin on Dec 4, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
i’m thrilled allen is back on the team. man, were they boring to watch, and going nowhere fast without him. i’m not saying they’re gonna win the championship, but at least it will make for some excitement in an otherwise unwatchable sixers season. we’ve had way too many of those over the years.
And now they’re going nowhere fast with him but hey – at least the development of the players that matter is stalled another year, and they’ll ahve to learn the PO all over again next year cause they aren’t going to run it with iverson
but at least the fan base is dazzled for a couple weeks, like a baby with a new shiny toy (the baby is smarter)
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Man
You’re mean. I mean I don’t even disagree with your general premise (since it’s mine as well) but you’re just so coarse about everything it almost makes me want to disagree out of principle.
by Slizeezyc on Dec 2, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
its the way he is. Anything that is said in which he disagrees about one bit you get eaten alive. Except by the man who runs this cite, the only exception.
I've only been on this blog
A couple days, so still trying to learn the ropes. Though, I must say, it seems like the conversation is dominated by like 4 people, with jemagee being the most vocal.
Or I should say
I’ve only been “active” on here for a few days in terms of reading through comments etc. Before I just would check the stories and bounce.
You got to take the good with the bad with jemagee. Deep inside he’s a true blogger and a great voice for the sixers. But he/she will rip u a new one if the covo that ur bringing to the table is not up to par.
he takes pride in the sixers, so that counts for something. it is hard being a fan of them now but one day we will be good again. However, idk about AI signing is best and I still think lawson would suit better hear than jrue but for both of those statements the damage is done, and cannot do a thing about it now.
Lawson over Jrue
Is the same short-sighted approach as taking on Iverson, or at least similar I would think. Not that I think Lawson isn’t solid (or Iverson isnt’ solid either) just that the general approach shouldn’t be to settle for something in the Draft.
Plus, I don’t know of many players through the years who were plus defenders and under 6-feet tall. I would think his ceiling would be a change of pace guy.
You have to weather the storm sixer fan (sixer83). We are good team in development. we have to simplify are approach to the floor and iverson does that. If anything signing iverson did one thing more tv time for are beloved sixers. And knowing a guy like iverson, who performs well under the lights, will take over a game if nobody wants to. Thats why he is considered a hog, he not a hog he makes sure that he gave his all to try to win.
by KamauFox3000 on Dec 3, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
or, he'll ignore you if you make a point that isn't conducive to his running narrative
ie:
hey jem, did the phillies stop listening to the fans before or after firing ed wade?
or:
hey jem, do you have any idea at all how the sixers could improve without relying on the crutch that is a high lottery pick?
still waiting on answers to these. anytime, jem.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Dec 2, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
The two of you
Had a bad breakup from what I’ve seen in the other threads — you don’t agree on anything.
it does piss me off a bit that a guy who was banned from philaphans, philliesphans, backshegoes, realgm, thegoodphight and probably a whole host of other sites i didn’t interact with him on, is now pushing for me to get the stick, simply because i’m interacting with him in a manner that i know, through personal experience, he uses with just about everyone he comes in contact with.
i actually kinda like him though. if you read him through the right lens, you could wind up learning a hell of a lot more than if you take him at face value.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Dec 2, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
That's a nice little laundry list
I post a bit at RealGM (haven’t been there too long though) I don’t remember seeing him post there.
I got banned there a couple years ago…
it should be known that variablesdont is such a grown up that he sent me an email with the subject ‘hey asshole’ in regards to me not answering his questions – it matters so much to him what i think that it had to be personal.
And I was not banned at the good phight…nor do i care about anywhere i was banned…but i’m pretty sure steagles was banned from backshegoes or he wouldn’t be ranting here so much (and if he keeps it up he’ll be banned here as well, and yet i won’t be)
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
right, there's absolutely no tongue in cheek when i call you an asshole
don’t you know me at all? i mean, it’s been 4 years, right? i’d hope you’d have gotten the point with the pol pot reference (and there are way too few pol pot references going around the internets), but i’m not really taking any of this thing with you seriously.
the cowboys fan from las vegas telling me i don’t have to root for this team pisses me off legitimately, but you’re just an interesting foil when you want to be.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Dec 2, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, you started off being a dick – and it’s his blog.
If you can’t respect the owner of the sand box why bother playing in the sand box in the first place?
I figure you’re like a lot of the idiots here and on the phillies blog – you’re still in college and don’t know any better….if you’ve graduated college then it’s worse
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
I figure you’re like a lot of the idiots here and on the phillies blog
that’s a pretty big mistake to make. because of who i am, i think of things in a vastly different manner than anyone you’ve come in contact with, and you should know that, considering the many conversations we’ve had regarding sammy d, speights, maggette/brand, iggy, and probably a ton of other guys in various different sports.
and if you think the problem is that i started off being a dick, then just chalk that up to you calling me ricky everytime i responded to you.
is there a game tonight?
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Dec 2, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
also,
what do you mean ‘pretty sure’? we’ve talked at least twice about this.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Dec 2, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
I'm a Pittsburgh fan
But there’s no hoops team in Pittsburgh obviously, so I adopted the Sixers as a kid — in other words I haven’t heard of most of the Philly-centric places that were mentioned.
Anyway, just to be clear, I wasn’t saying I dislike you or anything, just that you were so coarse that I wanted to disagree because you seemed to be going a bit over the top. If that’s you shtick or whatever, then I’ll just be aware of that.
haha
he/she… like that’s even a question. How long have you been on here? jw..
by guitarmouse35 on Dec 3, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
God, I needed a good laugh, thank you all.
Morons, every single one of you
by jemagee on Dec 2, 2009 2:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
AI
On one hand the author acknowledges that the franchise is in shambles. Then he turns hater and says AI will stunt the growth of the young core(what young core?) and make the team mediocre as if the Sixers aren’t mediocre already!! jsams needs to get a clue. The Sixers are a terrible team with mismayched pieces, horrible overpaid under achievers, and a terrible coach. Bringing back one of the all time franchise greats can only help this team. This team is so far behind the top tier of the NBA East that if Iverson can carry them to the second rd he should be considered for MVP. The AI move is good because 1) It fills seats which will in turn make the team feel a little better about itself. 2) Iverson is a warrior and maybe some of his toughness will rub off on the other players3) He gives the team a piece it sorely needs. A player with the cahunas to want the ball at clutch time. 4) He’s consistent. He may be a ball hog but you know you’re getting 20+ a night from him unlike their other “stars” like Iggy who can drop 28 one night and 4 the next.
by enrique s on Dec 3, 2009 6:14 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
They’re all one person. It’s a conspiracy
by Michael Levin on Dec 3, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, they’re all me
Call me Legion, for we are many. (and i can destroy magneto with a thought)
by jemagee on Dec 3, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
haha
it’s posts like these where i just dont even waste my time.. but thats why we have John :)
by guitarmouse35 on Dec 3, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
You know the term ‘haters’ has lost all meaning since most people don’t even know how to use it properly.
Used to be a good word, now just old and broken and useless, you know, like Theo Ratliff
by jemagee on Dec 3, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
I understand it ‘works’ for you – but it’s just a cop out for you as well Cindy…anyone who disagrees with the move for any reason is referred to as a hater, which again, is poor use of the word and eliminates any power it has.
by jemagee on Dec 3, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
That’s great for you – love allen all you want – but there are reasonable rational reasons to see this as a bad BASKETBALL move and it’s a basketball team, your dismissal of anyone who opposes the move as haters just weakens the strength of any opinion.
I’m glad you love Allen, Comcast is glad you love Allen, there are a lot of Iverson fans who aren’t sixer fans, and that’s great, you’re excited, you’ll give comcast your money, and they’ll love it.
However, there are reasonable rational reasons to believe this doesn’t make the sixers a better team now or in the future, just because someone is against something doesn’t make them a hater,
by jemagee on Dec 3, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
Lets go over the rational reasons for basketball reasons only then:
- Its a non guaranteed deal,The Sixers are not under the hook for anything beyond this season.
- You are getting a hall of fame bound player at pennies on the dollar.
- The coach is all for this move because Louis Williams was what he was basing the offense on and Allen is obviousy in the same mold.
- Eddie Jordan is very familiar with a score first type point guard, and was able to get production out of Gilbert Arenas in his best years in Washington
- Sixers this season have not been able to close out games, this gives them another option at the end of games for somebody who can get his own shots. That can only help Iggy.
Lastly, the team was underachieving and the additon of a talented player can only help. If they dont make the playoffs its not going to be because of the “Allen Iverson addition”, but they now have a better chance of making it.
1. NOt a basketball reason – a money reason
2. Not a basketball reason – irrelevant
3. The coach is a moron and Allen Iverson isn’t a point guard
4. Oh good, gilbert arenas is your example, gilbert is a tool
5. The sixers problems are not offensive, they’re defensive, allen iverson doesn’t help that.
6. That’s a felacious argument and counter proved by #5, the problems the sixers have are defensive and iverson plays defense like I play nice.
Now Cindi with an I, don’t you have to head back to whoville and help the grinch save christmas?
by jemagee on Dec 3, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I mean, I see what you’re saying, and I agree that this doesn’t move us forward—but I think to the same extent that you feel people are blowing the positive effect of this move out of proportion, you’re probably blowing the negative effect up a little too..
does this move have ANY impact (at all) (one way or the other) on when we become a championship contender again? no.
so, if that’s the case, why not bring him in, sell a few more tickets, win a few more games this year and most of all, generate a little interest in sixers basketball again? isn’t the reason we watch bc it’s entertaining? isn’t that what he’s doing—making it more entertaining?
does this move have ANY impact (at all) (one way or the other) on when we become a championship contender again? no.
I disagree, and here’s why
A. If eddie jordan is the coach, the princeton offense is the system, they already seem to be confused by it, Iverson won’t run it so the sixers won’t run it, so that’s an entire season wasted without learning any of the Princeton Offense.
B. If the sixers are going to contend it’s going to require the development (massively) of guys like Speights, Williams, Jrue and Thad…injuries aside, look at the development of Iguodala while Iverson was here versus after he left, Iverson stunts development because teams and offenses are run around him
C. If you believe in ‘influence’ – the concept of defense is as familliar to Iverson as the concept of ‘tattoo restraint’ – it’s bad enough to have a coach who doesn’t care about defense but now you’re biggest ‘star’ doesn’t care about defense either, and if you play defense you might lose minutes.
by jemagee on Dec 4, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
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