Cavs @ Sixers game thread 11/16/09
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 2:16 PM PST
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Cleveland Cavaliers at Philadelphia 76ers, Dec 16, 2009 4:00 PM PST
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Beez a Day O
For a day ed stefanski not the worst GM in philly
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 2:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How can we win this game? Honestly, not being sarcastic or anything. Want to know ppl’s opinions.
by fantasybc88 on Dec 16, 2009 2:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Start 5 bench players – have them punch the cafs starters in the groin as hard as they can on the jump ball…when they’re ejected – insert starters – win game.
It also has the plus of getting 5 bench players suspended for a long time which means they can’t play and make me sick
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thats not a bad idea
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Dec 16, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
same starters as monday
holiday, iverson, iguodala, young, dalembert
plus speights is active (rushing a little bit?)
by tsteidel on Dec 16, 2009 3:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
so who’s going to be in trouble if Speights further injujres himself because he was rushed back into playing?
by jefu on Dec 16, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it always will be his fault
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Dec 16, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is tonight the night the Sixers are reborn and start a run to the Finals???
by chillicothe20 on Dec 16, 2009 4:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I take it back, i want the drugs you’re taking, not ricko
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
after that first jumper i can tell andre is still feeling that rib injury
by tsteidel on Dec 16, 2009 4:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
11-2 already
reminds me of the last game against Cleveland, we trailed 20-4 in that one, iirc
by chillicothe20 on Dec 16, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i can't believe he's playing
honestly, what’s the rush?
by SexualTyrannosaurus on Dec 16, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Lebron wants to play in the fourth
by SexualTyrannosaurus on Dec 16, 2009 4:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he may not need to play the second or third
by chillicothe20 on Dec 16, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my feed is blurry
did jrue steal that ball from lebron>
by SexualTyrannosaurus on Dec 16, 2009 4:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
techinally, but lebron just lost it and jrue ran over and picked it up.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
same thing he did to curry on monday
by tsteidel on Dec 16, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite thing about thad is he never complains. iguodala would’ve never got his own oreb there. he’d be too busy complaining.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 4:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If you keep crap up like that i will come to nevada and kill you myself :)
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree that he would quit on a play in process…yes i do…after the play or after posession changed, but before possession changed – that’s an Iverson move, not an Iguodala move
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a little surprised we aren’t down 10+
by chillicothe20 on Dec 16, 2009 4:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
jordan – you still goin to the game on friday?
by tsteidel on Dec 16, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wow guys did u notice this stat....
jrue had 5 assists in the 1st quarter!
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Dec 16, 2009 4:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey look at that
Jrue Holiday doesn’t suck and isn’t intimidated by Lebron James
OH NO HIS PSYCHE
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of which
does anyone have ESPN Insider? I was curious where we fell in the future power rankings
by SexualTyrannosaurus on Dec 16, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well that's dissappointing
by SexualTyrannosaurus on Dec 16, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t take anything espn says seriously anymore.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is surprisingly competitive…at least more than i expected
by SexualTyrannosaurus on Dec 16, 2009 4:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yea but lebron and shaq hasnt played in the second quarter yet
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Dec 16, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if lebron and shaq tried we would be losing by a lot
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Dec 16, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Shaq tried i wouldn’t hate him so much
EVER
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ROY HALLADAY IS AT THE SIXERS GAME!!!!
YEA ROYYYYYYY
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Dec 16, 2009 4:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thad Young is becoming a stud on the block.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 4:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
anyone know if delonte brought his guns with him?
by tsteidel on Dec 16, 2009 4:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
no, but he does have his raspberry, what, ice tea!
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they were definitely sober making that video – no marajuana involved at all
by tsteidel on Dec 16, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who woulda thunk it? etan thomas and delonte west.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well looks like green isnt doing too bad
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Dec 16, 2009 4:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think i’ve ever seen thad complain.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
anyone got a link
my feed went black
by SexualTyrannosaurus on Dec 16, 2009 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lance berkman and roy oswalt both rank in the top 25 of espn’s top 100 of the decade. awesome.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, when you don’t win games that matter, i guess that’s something to hang your hat on…
I get it now
Astros
Cowboys
Sixers
Teams that will never ever accomplish anything significant no matter WHAT the expectations…THAT’s what they have in common.
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well the cowboys are winning the super bowl this year.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t know how angry Sam’s outlet passes make me.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 5:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The only thing more certain is a december cowboys collapse
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
collapse isn’t a correct way to describe this december.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When you fail on fourth down that many times what would you call it?
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they failed on fourth down once. And it’s called bad blocking? Or bad play-calling? But they lost to the better team. In no way is that a collapse.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The giants are better than the cowboys
the eagles are better than the giants
ERGO
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol I’m just saying. It’s like calling the Sixers/Magic playoff series a collapse by the Sixers.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Expectations baby, expectations…the cowboys are expected to show up in the playoffs this year, the sixers were supposed to lose to the magic
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By who? Not a single “expert” picked the Cowboys to be in the playoffs.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look it up if you don’t believe me. No one did. Maybe I did, but I also expected the Sixers to beat the Magic.
Alright, buddy!
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JUREEEE
with the steal
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
by Realtalk32 on Dec 16, 2009 5:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
guess it was Jrue with a lil help from Iggy
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
by Realtalk32 on Dec 16, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jrue’s form on his jumper kinda scares me.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 5:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jrue needs to be more comfortable in his Shot
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
by Realtalk32 on Dec 16, 2009 5:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He was wide open for that Three
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
by Realtalk32 on Dec 16, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His release is slow so he probably would’ve gotten blocked. I liked the pass.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Liked the pass too
But he was wide open….no one was near him. His release might be “slow” as u say, but he was wide open!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
by Realtalk32 on Dec 16, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nah his feed was a better guarantee of a good shot
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Dec 16, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again..I DID like the pass..but he was open!
doesnt matter now..im gonna move on hahaha
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
by Realtalk32 on Dec 16, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Iggy is not the best shot..but it doesnt stop him from shooting haha
..bad example right LOL
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
by Realtalk32 on Dec 16, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of our better free throw shooting nights
by chillicothe20 on Dec 16, 2009 5:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
u like the cowboys?
i like ur picture of wall but i like jrue better
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Dec 16, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
andre is playing like he doesnt have any bruised ribs lol
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Dec 16, 2009 5:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In a 30 second span, both Andre and LeBron missed dunks.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 5:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ohhhh shittttttttttttt
A.I to A.I. !!!!!!
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Dec 16, 2009 5:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Turn on ESPN to see the ugliest shoes ever worn by an nba team
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Love the orange kicks. I have a pair myself.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I must be old b/c I can not for the life of me refer to them as kicks – they’re freaking sneakers…and i owned one of the original black an red air jordans
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not what they’re wearing tonight
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve seen theirs. I’m just saying, I wore orange shoes a long time ago.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
Seights slapped Lebron hahahaha
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
by Realtalk32 on Dec 16, 2009 5:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jrue is still getting benched when lou comes back
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but he’ll still get significant minutes… i hope.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t the fact that he’s playing Holiday more than Green now mean anything?
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to me – I mean green is coping with an injury still right?
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, maybe. Noting is out of the question with EJ, but I doubt Green plays more than Holiday from here on out.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great FT shooting tonight. Keeping us in the game.
by chillicothe20 on Dec 16, 2009 6:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m getting really tired of opponents getting more FT’s at the Wach over the sixers…WTF
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 6:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t seen any dubious calls or non-calls tonight. Just because you’re at home doesn’t entitle you to more free throws.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just seems consistent to me – a constnt thing, it might just be EJ’s system
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, much less free throws this season.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding me?
an out of bounds violation?
by SexualTyrannosaurus on Dec 16, 2009 6:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In-Bounds violation
Know your rules, kiddo.
by phillyhoosfan on Dec 16, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2 minutes left, EJ goes with Green instead of Holiday to close the game.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 6:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
couldn't really see
Iggy maybe
by SexualTyrannosaurus on Dec 16, 2009 6:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
by Realtalk32 on Dec 16, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I'm usually the anti-conspiracy guy in this circumstance
But I got nothing.
by phillyhoosfan on Dec 16, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Willie in during crunch time? Always a good decision
by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Dec 16, 2009 6:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So couldn’t watch but appears from following gamecast: Jrue played good defense again and can pass the ball, just needs to learn how to get his shot-off in the association. Am I right? Did he look good? Does he look like he could be our PG of the future?
by fantasybc88 on Dec 16, 2009 6:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely. Rajon Rondo is a pretty decent comparison.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he improves shooting like Rondo did, then wow! (Rondo went from 41% to now at 53.5%)
by fantasybc88 on Dec 16, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo doesn’t take a lot of shots though, at least not jumpers.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, have only been able to watch the equivalent of 3 qtrs this yr so trying to get a feel for Jrue’s evolving game (seems to take a lot of 3s-are they open).
by fantasybc88 on Dec 16, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wait a minute
was the rotation during the last part of the game:
thad-c
iggy-pf
willie green-sf
iverson-sg
jrue-pg
that is the most ridiculous rotation i have ever seen in my life.
by el on Dec 16, 2009 6:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jrue + Wall
I still think it could work and be immense.
by Slizeezyc on Dec 16, 2009 7:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No – it couldn’t – unless you want the opponents starting shooting guard to average 25 points a game – too short
by jemagee on Dec 16, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shut your face
Let me have my dreams, don’t let height get in the way of something like that.
by Slizeezyc on Dec 16, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PS
Trading Jrue on draft night if they somehow got first pick?
by Slizeezyc on Dec 16, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah...
I’ll take defense first. anyone can score but real talent lies in defense. We might even get Wall, ya never know until it happens.
by guitarmouse35 on Dec 16, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Both
Are good defenders, it’s just that Jrue is 6’4 and Wall is 6’3 so that’s the bummer. I think Wade is like 6’5 or so, but he’s longer than Jrue for example. I think if Jrue had more wingspan he could pull off guarding 2s.
by Slizeezyc on Dec 16, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to use this as an example
but AI played the 2 back in the day. height is not really important. Heck Brand is 6’8" and he was guarding big Z who’s 7’3.
by guitarmouse35 on Dec 16, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I think jemagee is rocking some hyperbole for effect (as he seems to like to do), but there was a similar discussion about a week or so ago about the same topic. Snow could guard some 2s as a bigger point guard, but it’s not the most ideal situation. Jrue has all the tools, but I just don’t think he has quite enough length or athleticism to handle most of the elite 2s. If he had one or the other I could buy into it more. On many nights they would be able to get away with it though because not every SG is the prototypical 6’6 Kobe Bryant. The Sixers would need to find a Thabo for those guys or play Iggy at the 2 when going against the bigger SGs.
The SGs I could think of as issues off the top of my head:
Salmons, Kobe, R. Allen, D. Wade, J. Rich, Ariza, Joe Johnson, B. Roy, Vince. So about a fourth of the league, though, I would really only be truly concerned with about five guys on that list, and I’m pretty sure even the prototypical SG struggles with Wade, Kobe, Roy, Vince and Johnson.
by Slizeezyc on Dec 16, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
put Iguodala on their stud for defense.
But also, Jrue is only 19. I’m positive he’ll improve on the defensive end lol.
by guitarmouse35 on Dec 16, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Willie Green taking one of the last shots in the game?
Better yet, why was he even in the game at the end? Oh, that’s right, Eddie Jordan is our coach.
Speights is back. As expected he’s rusty, but he’s back. I like the future of the two young guns in Speights and Holiday.
Rotations I thought were better except for the end of the game.
Oh, one more thing — JOHN WALL.
by guitarmouse35 on Dec 16, 2009 7:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, they kept me far enough away from Eddie that I couldn’t take a swipe at him, idiot, he’s ruining my team’s chances. We could have won that game, and he puts in Willie Green?
The refs did screw the Sixers but that’s not why they lost. They had the lead and then they stopped scoring, ‘cause our half court offense still doesn’t have a clue. I would have had Speights in there at the end, still our best offensive big man.
by RickoT on Dec 16, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wall plays ESPN defense. He plays the passing lanes, goes for blocked shots, but doesn’t play as good of man-to-man defense as Holiday. Whoever said it up there I agree with. I’ll take defense over offense any day. If the Sixers won the lottery and kept the pick, they’d have to take John Wall. You make it work. He’s one of the best prospects since LeBron, and there’s no Carmelos in this draft. The bold move would be to trade the pick. So many GMs would be foaming at the mouth, who knows what kind of deal the Sixers could get out of it. That would never happen though. No way the Sixers brass passes on a franchise player because they have Jrue and Lou. Jrue and Lou don’t sell tickets.
by jsams on Dec 16, 2009 8:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No argument here
But my point is that I just love that Wall is already so aggressive on the defensive end. He has even more tools than Jrue (better wingspan and athleticism) to be a freak on the defensive end. I don’t really have any doubts about his defense in the long run, whereas I look at someone like Rose who has all the same tools but is so complacent on the defensive end. He just takes way too many possessions off on that end of the floor.
And yeah, you can’t trade that first pick because you’re not getting a franchise player back for it. With Wall there is a chance that he becomes the franchise guy.
by Slizeezyc on Dec 16, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoever said it up there I agree with
Me, Jason.
I also agree with all of that. You can’t pass on talent like Wall.
by guitarmouse35 on Dec 16, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Drooling over this pick when the odds are so remote is a waste of time, you won’t see Wall here.
by RickoT on Dec 16, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If we have the number 1 pick
we will not pick John Wall. Why, because Eddie Jordan is our coach!
by DeanH on Dec 16, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing
He’s not in charge of the draft then.
by Slizeezyc on Dec 17, 2009 5:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“remote”
The sixers will probably be one of the 5 worst teams in the league, and the ‘favored’ team hardly ever gets the first pick anyway.
But you continue your delusions of playoffs, it’s fun
by jemagee on Dec 17, 2009 6:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably huh? Have you taken a look at the schedule after the Boston game? The Sixers will string a couple of wins together, Williams will come back and the team will develop confidence winning on the road.
The addition of Speights gives them sufficient scoring to be competitive. As Holiday develops he may work his way into the starting spot. He is clearly a better facilitator than Green, Iguodala or Iverson. His offensive game needs some improvement, but he makes up for it with his defense and passing.
In spite of Jordan’s stupidity regarding Brand, he did play him 33 min. last night including at the end. With all the talent this team has, you could coach them into the playoffs.
by RickoT on Dec 17, 2009 9:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Your confidence is pretty impressive, even though there’s no actual evidence to back it up – they were a crap team when Lou Williams was healthy, they’ll be a crap team when he’s back, they sucked on the road before he got hurt, they will again, the west coast trip they make at the end of the year almost always results in more losses than wins and eddie jordan wants to start allen iverson and louis williams in the back court at the same time….hell teams like the CLIPPERS are salivating at that match up.
The sixers were a terrible team when they were healthy, from day one, i’m not sure why you think Iverson makes them a less terrible team…there’s no real evidence to indicate that he magically makes this suckass team less suck ass.
They stunk BEFORE the injuries – why do you magically think they won’t stink any more?
by jemagee on Dec 17, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Andre Iguodala is a top 10 guard in the NBA. Because Lou Williams is capable of being a top 10 guard in the NBA. Because Thad Young is on his way to becoming a top 10 forward in the NBA. Because Elton Brand has been an All Star and is now healthy, – sonething he wasn’t at the start of the season. And because Jrue Holliday is a very good point guard and with a little time will develop into a top 10 guard in the NBA and Marreese Speights is a top 10 power forward. And then we have that perennial All Star Allen Iverson, who while a bit older can still play and influence a game. That’s Seven really good players plue two decent reserves in Dalembert and Willie Green, and possibly Jason Smith. That means depth at every position, the ability to go big or small, and have superior athletes most nights.
Besides they play the Clippers , Washington, Utah, Portland, Sacramento and the Clippers. I bet you they win 5 out of 6 at least. If you think it gets any harder after the new year. guess again! They play Chicago, New Orleans, Houston, Minnesota, Toronto and Miami. All of which are winnable games in my estimation. After this swing they’ll be back to.500 and we’ll be talking about playoff seedings.
by RickoT on Dec 17, 2009 2:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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