Who should start at center?
The sixers currently have two centers on their roster both of whom have strengths and weaknesses. I'm going to do a purely free flowing comparison of these two centers as the thoughts occur to me while I take a break from work.
Shall we proceed?
One is Samuel Dalembert, a center who has been on this team for years and still has the offensive game of my 7 year old niece who has never picked up a basketball. In fact her game would probably be better because she's smart enough to realize what she is and isn't capable of doing. Yesterday Detroit game was a perfect example of Sammys offensive ineptitude. Every time he touched the ball he was a disaster, dribbling like a spastic monkey, throwing the ball away, taking shots he shouldn't ever take, being unable to count to there.
But wait, you say, we need Sam on the court. He's awesome defensively and makes the sixers a better rebounding team. Well, yes it's true, the sixers are probably better defensively when Sam is on the court, but the numbers don't back up that they are a better rebounding team. Check them out here.
And yes, the sixers give up a lot more points per 100 possessions when Sam is off the court, but they also score a lot more points. The offense is much much better when Sam is on the floor so far this season and the defense is much much worse.Option number two is Mareese Speights. A second year player who admitted has holes in his defensive game, but he's a second year player, and if the sixers are going to win ANYTHING that matters (41-41 first round playoff losses aren't relevant seasons to me) Speights is going to be one of the important keys to such relevance.
The Speights relevant on off court numbers are available here. And like with Sam, but in reverse, the offense is much better with Speights on the court and the defense is much worse (per 100 possessions). But wait, what's this, the sixers are better on the defensive glass so far this season with Speights on the floor? That's right folks, to this point this season the sixers rebound the ball better when Speights is on the floor as when Sam is on the floor. I know it makes no sense cause Sam is an awesome rebounder, but there it is.
Now, let's not look at this in a vacuum, let's look at the most important thing we can (to me) right now. How does each player play with the starting unit? What's that you say? If only we had a way to see how that works out? Well I'm glad you asked Virginia, because look at this.
Remember how the defense was worse with Speights on the floor for all of his minutes while the offense was better? Well check out the (albeit limited) numbers when Speights plays with the rest of the starting 5 (Lou, Andre, Thad, Elton). The standard starting five has a 'net difference' of .04. Yes the offense seems to be functioning better than the other teams but the defense of the starting five keeps it close. Now, let's look at the net difference for the starting 4 + speights. For those math challenged, it's .48, which is 12 times better than the 'normal' starting five.
Yes, I realize that it's a limited sample size and that the sixers have only played six games. And yes, I realize that I've been at the forefront of the Sam Sucks movement (for longer than i've posted here, for like 4 years now when I was allowed to post at realgm.com), but, the available evidence right now indicates that the starting 4 + Speights is better than the starting 4 + Dalembert. It's also pretty well known that if the sixers could find any team to trade for Dalmebert for even a bag of Doritos they'd trade him, which indicates to me that he's not part of the future of this franchise when they hope to be contending for a title. If that's true, then tell Eddie Jordan it's ok to bench Sam, that the development of Speights matters more than the W/L THIS SEASON, because it's about building towards a championship, and Sam Dalembert isn't a starter on a championship NBA team.
In short, start Speights, tonight, and tell Sam he's a bench player, and every time he whines to the media fine him 10K for conduct detrimental to the team...it's time for Sam to grow up and accept his place in the NBA.
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Not sure
I can completely sign off on this. I think Speights should definitely start tonight, and I’m leaning toward just saying eff it and start him, but I can’t quite get there yet. Plus, I’m not sure if he should be starting instead of Sammy, or alongside him. Need to see more basketball before I make any kind of definitive statement beyond I think Speights gives them the best chance to win tonight.
Send GT Green packing.
by depressedfan on Nov 9, 2009 10:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
But thinking long term too – the sixers have been trying to move Sam for a while…no one wants him, but it’s rather obvious the sixers don’t either, which means they see Speights as the future starter, I think, so the sooner you find out, the better, show some confidence in the kid and MAYBE (but history says extremely doubtful) this is finally the kick in the ass Sam has to start learning how to play basketball and putting forth a little effort.
Like I said, we all know I’m slanted, I hate Sam, I hate his play, his mug, his attitude, his contract, his uselessness at the offensive end and the fact that he’s over rated as a ‘rebounder’ by many….but I’m certain that if this team EVER contends for a title, it won’t be with Sam Dalembert as a starter, possibly even on the roster.
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by jemagee on Nov 9, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Long term
I have a bigger issue with 1 inactive and 3 DNPCDs for Jrue in the first 6 games than I do with starting or not starting Speights. Speights is getting minutes, big minutes, every night.
Send GT Green packing.
by depressedfan on Nov 9, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I can only focus on one problem at a time – and Speights/Sam is more immediate and relevant and easier to deal with. I have to research Jordan and rookies and all this craziness to write that article…and to see HOW BAD Ivey and Green are defensively :)
As for game by game – isn’t a game against the suns where sam tends to shine?
My 3 biggest concerns with the long term future of this team are Thad, Jrue, Speights, in no paricular order
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by jemagee on Nov 9, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did some of that research a while back, nothing conclusive, other than the fact that he’s never developed a rookie into a decent player:
http://www.depressedfan.com/basketball/sixers/jordan-and-rookies.php
But that probably wasn’t on him entirely.
Send GT Green packing.
by depressedfan on Nov 9, 2009 10:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I might use that as a start, be interesting to see the ‘minutes played’ graph as a function of the season, maybe he just sits rookies early?
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by jemagee on Nov 9, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fed up
I am fed up w/ the 76ers these days. Ready to start rooting for the NEW JERSEY Nets (well, maybe not that bad but I do live in NJ!).
I do not understand WHY they are not playing M16 AND Jrue more as we will not compete atleast UNTIL Sammy is gone AND Jrue starts playing. I sent a Tweet to Preston from KBerg saying how the Thunder know how to develop a team. Play the young guys, plan for the future.
What annoys me more than anything else is seeing Bill Green playing more than 10 minutes a night. WHY, SO WE CAN BE LOSERS LIKE THE Clipppers.
I am very close to selling the remainder of this year Season tickets. Something HAS TO GIVE.
Just to be clear, I was all for giving coach time he is like a reincarnate Dileo/Cheeks.
by DeanH on Nov 9, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take your tickets, what’s your price?
by FuquaManuel on Nov 10, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Coach Jordan is that bad. He has great problem solving skills. He putting guys that he thinks will help the team win. If he had bad coaching tendies, you would see elton and sammy with 40 mins each. He does not do that, therefore give the cat some credit. He stern with guys who dont produce i.e. elton/sammy. And this Will Green guy, yeah he sucks but he must be a great practice player, that’s possibly why he is still around!!
by KamauFox3000 on Nov 12, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kapono
I would expect the sixers to try to utilize Kapono’s three point skill, but according to the stats you provided from 82games.com , I’m not really seeing it happen thus far.
My thinking is, with Kapono out on the floor, he poses a threat to the opposing defense and should draw out defenders. I would think, especially with Iguodala, Williams, and Thad out on the floor, that the “close” percentage should increase if Kapono’s talents were being used correctly. What I saw from the charts was an inconsistency in this area. As you mentioned, it’s only the beginning of the season, but I think most of us can agree that we had higher expectations. I hope to see them come to fruition.
by jefu on Nov 11, 2009 3:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Spieghts
Blows at defense yeah yeah. But hes good at offense, so compared to Sammy (no offense, no defense), hes an upgrade.
by philiafan14364 on Nov 11, 2009 4:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And by no defense I mean hes in foul trouble so fast that he cant play good d from the bench.
by philiafan14364 on Nov 11, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if we want any sort of production from Sammy, we have to continue to ‘start’ him. I can easily see Sammy whining and complaining if he does not start, which despite popular belief is a bad thing. So far, when Sammy plays at least 20 min, we win. In wins he’s averaged 27.7 min per and in losses he’s averaged 18 min per. That’s not to say that M16 and Sammy D can’t play at the same time as we’ve seen glimpses of before (M16 at the 4). I don’t see Speights dethroning him on Eddie Jordan’s watch anyway. but Speights could be a Manu Ginobli type when it’s all said and done.
by guitarmouse35 on Nov 12, 2009 8:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can easily see Sammy whining and complaining if he does not start,
Most people can, it happened before (Jim O’Brien era) and then he was back in the starting line up.
My point is – i don’t care – he’s a bench player and if can’t accept that he needs to get gone…he’s not part of the future of a contending sixer team…if they’ve been trying to trade him since February – it’s highly unlikely they’re going to sign him in 2011 UNLESS he accepts a bench role and excels at it.
by jemagee on Nov 12, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Awsome post Jemagee… Good way to show #‘s as the determing factor on why you feel we should bench Sammy. We love you Sammy but your not cut out for this franchise. Now If we started Speights at the 4, and moved Elton to the 5 since Elton has slowed down a bit. Do you think that would an ideal line up? Hopefully Brand would get more mins "which he’s complaining about" and hopefully more points due to him playing more like a 5?
by KamauFox3000 on Nov 12, 2009 12:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Who loves sammy?
I hate sammy
I still hate billy king for that contract
I still hate ed snider for signing him to that deal
I hate larry brown for being larry brown
I ahte tony dileo a little for drafting him just because he’s also done such wonderful theft in the draft ther HAD to be a better optoin than sammy
by jemagee on Nov 12, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Start Sam and Speights
Let Brand beat up on lesser 2nd string defenders. I think he could be effective in this role, and then maybe win Sam’s starting spot if he improves.
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by tk76 on Nov 13, 2009 8:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
And how do you think that would go over with Brand and fans who only look at a salary number and extrapolate from there?
by jemagee on Nov 13, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Posted this at realgm: Simple Plan to help Brand and the team
Brand has been effective in the low block against weaker defenders. With the starters he lacks touches and can’t score in deep against good defenders. So here is my plan…
1. Publicly announce that after 2 years of relative inactivity Brand needs an extended training period to get get back his “game legs.” Sort of like what the Eagles said about Vick when they signed him.
2. Move Speights to starting PF. Say he has earned it, but it is not a demotion of Brand.
3. Give Brand lots of touches in the post against 2nd team defenders. This will best utilize his current strengths. It could help his confidence and help him learn to best use his current skills.
4. If/When Brand starts dominating against second teamers (and gets his mojo back) move him back into the starting line-up FOR SAM. If he never fully recovers then he can just stay with the 2nd team, and you were able to do it without ever really “demoting” him.
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by tk76 on Nov 13, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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