Santa Claus is coming to town.
Just kidding.
But it looks like Allen Iverson is.
Excuse me for jumping the gun, but here's your Allen Iverson welcome post.
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Can I order my John Wall Sixers jersey yet?
by jsams on Nov 30, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
do u think Wall will come out?
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by dolphin341 on Nov 30, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but you could order it in the Nets variant.
by philiafan14364 on Nov 30, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
finally!
I witnessed AI scoring 60, and his comeback to Philly in a Denver jersey, and have to say that that was one of the best basketball games I have ever seen the 6ers play this decade.
Getting Iverson back, and having him retire in a Philly jersey, it just makes us better as a team, and even though we will still get a pretty high lottery pick, I would rather have Iverson back at this point. Now we at least have one bona fide scorer on the team.
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by dolphin341 on Nov 30, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So if we sign him today will his first game be wednesday @ OKC?
by jshilz7 on Nov 30, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’ll be today. His first game will probably be at home.
by jsams on Nov 30, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point in their careers, Lou Williams is a better basketball player than AI.
by jsams on Nov 30, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That is nothing to be proud about. They are the same player, create turnovers and also bomb up so many shots that should not be taken. AI just so happens to make more of the shots that should not be taken. Id still take AI over Sweet Lou Lou at this point also
by sixer83 on Nov 30, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Sixers FO is reading this blog (they’re not), you should expect a job offer shortly.
by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Nov 30, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not as bad as you think
Whats the worst that could happen? Well just pick a few spots later in the draft. Theres almost no chance we were going to get Wall anyway, and the draft after that is anybodys guess, so even if we pick later, it might not change the guy we would have wound up with.
Plus, theres a chance this whole ‘nobody wants me’ thing could have changed AI and made him more of a team player. Its doubtful, but its a possibility…
by philiafan14364 on Nov 30, 2009 1:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And the past few drafts have been shallow. God, that worked out terribly, didn't it?
Young, Speights, and Holiday. Don’t knock the draft.
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1. I’m talking about the draft this coming year… you have John Wall, then who else?….
2. What have they accomplished so far? oh, that’s right, nothing. I don’t doubt they can do something significant, they just haven’t done anything yet (mostly referring to Young).
by guitarmouse35 on Nov 30, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that is towards the past few drafts comment, gmouse clearing talking about the 2010 draft
by sixer83 on Nov 30, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yup...
jrue holliday is awesome alright
by DeuceisLoose926 on Nov 30, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s better than royal ivery and willie green already – he’s the youngest player in the league and he’s got a coach who’s a douche…
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just posted these comments over on the700level
They summarize my thoughts pretty well:
I continue to think this is a lot more bad than good. The team is going nowhere special this season. Let’s just accept that. On the other hand, there’s no impetus to make as much money as possible right now. More money is good, but it’s not more important than other goals. The best thing this team can do right now is simply give the guys a chance to play – especially the young ones. Bringing AI in would simply give the youngsters – and the veterans – on this team more to worry about than they need to. They’d have to be concerned with him getting his shots and his minutes, and that takes the ball out of the hands of Holiday, Williams (when he returns), Speights, Smith, etc., etc. The more these young guys can acclimate to the NBA, tighten their game, improve their weak areas, the better. He would likely improve the offense a bit, and provide a bit of a box-office spike. But even if he manages to get them into the playoffs… it’ll just be another first-round exit and another mid-teens draft pick. If this team is going to suck, let it suck by itself – don’t grasp vainly at the straws of nostalgia. AI will accept nothing less than being the center of an NBA team. The Sixers could offer him that, but shouldn’t. The “basketball men” who are apparently making this decision are, I hope, smart enough to realize that.
And in response to a silly retort to the “Money isn’t most important” bit:
Even if I were kidding about the money comment, I don’t think AI would bring more than a temporary spike. They’re not going to suddenly sell out every night. They’ll get a nice big spike for the first few games as people come to “AI’S RETURN!” But after that, it will still be a mediocre-at-best basketball team that loses a lot. AI’s not what he used to be; he’ll be lucky to average 20 a game in top-notch starters (40) minutes per game, which the Sixers should not and (dear God I hope) won’t give him – and all this while taking away touches and, more importantly, minutes from the younger players who will be here past this year.
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I realize that these aren't terribly coherent and cold be better thought-out
But I’m not about to get nostalgic about this. It makes the team worse, takes away from the extremely important development of the younger guys (especially Holiday, whose minutes will suffer most), and accomplishes nothing except a brief (but admittedly potentially sizable) spike in ticket sales. Plus, it opens the door to all this not working out and ending up with another AI-doesn’t-want-to-be-here-and-we-don’t-want-him fiasco – and having to deal with the fallout all over again, as Marc Stein pointed out. It’s a terrible idea. A one-day contract so he can retire as a Sixer? Fine, although not this year because he’s going to play somewhere. But the only role AI is fit for right now is a 20-25mpg scorer off the bench for a contender… and that’s the only role he won’t accept. And even if he would, the Sixer’s don’t have an opening for that role.
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More people will come for the rest of the season despite how bad the sixers are because there are still those out there that love AI. And also, for people out there who are against AI, the last time the sixers won a playoff series guess who was on the roster…AI o my! However, even with if he joins the sixers this year I do not think they will win a playoff series, but Im just throwing out that piece of triva.
by sixer83 on Nov 30, 2009 1:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Picking worse in the draft is a huge deal, I don’t get why people are just brushing it off – this is an awful basketball move but might get comcast a few dollars
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 1:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that's all comcast cares about
so we know they’re gonna do it.
by guitarmouse35 on Nov 30, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus
you don’t really know where the players will fall in the draft, until it actually happens. Case and point this past draft with Holiday. I’m not supporting the Iverson movement, I’m just saying the draft is only predictable to a point.
by guitarmouse35 on Nov 30, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s something that’s predictable.
The higher you pick in the draft the more players you have an option to pick.
It’s ridiculous to say there is no difference between 3 and 9 and use Holiday as an example, there’s 6 players gone that you ight have wanted to pick.
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious as to why John Wall really helps the Sixers more than a big would
Then again, it’s probably not hard to figure out. I just wonder what happens with Jrue Holiday at that point.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he’s the best player available. You gotta make it work.
The people who passed on CP3 and Michael Jordan agree.
by jsams on Nov 30, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since Holiday has only had one year and Wall has had none – you don’t have to make any decisions at that point – but having two great point guards instead of one would be a wonderful problem to have.
You can’t NOT take the best player available – too many times people draft for need and get screwed – ask the hawks about chris paul
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hawks don't take Chris Paul sure
But if they did they don’t have Al Horford. I’m not arguing your (or Jsams point for that matter) that you take the best players on the board.
I’m a Kings fan who has constantly heard “Geoff Petrie takes the best player on the board”. Rod Thorn and Ed Stefanski also have operated under the same strategy as well. Most GM’s do.
What I’m wondering is how effective Holiday could be off the ball since John Wall (in all likelihood) is going to be a superstar level player who needs the ball in his hands to be at his best. I think if Holiday develops as a high end PG, that’s a wonderful problem to have if the Sixers were fortunate enough to get Wall, or a high lottery pick on another player.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you know this, but the Hawks drafted Marvin Williams instead. It’s really not fair to say they wouldn’t have Horford, because everything that happened after they drafted Williams would’ve changed.
by jsams on Nov 30, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's precisely my point sir
You draft Paul and you’re nowhere high enough to take Horford. Or that’s what my point was attempting to convey. Sometimes I get too cute.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you wouldn’t trade Horford and Williams for Paul and Joakim Noah?
by jsams on Nov 30, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Hawks would have gotten Noah
Horford went 3rd overall in 2007; Noah 9th overall. If the Hawks are a playoff team, the highest they can draft being a non-lottery team is 15.
Maybe Horford goes a lil lower, or Noah a bit lower, but not out of the lottery both. I also fail to see how Paul doesn’t make the Hawks a playoff team within 2 years.
Maybe I’m wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Paul is probably the best point guard in the league…i think the hawks made a mistake not drafting him…point guards of his caliber aren’t easy to find
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
What I’m saying is that the makeup of the Hawks would not be the same as the current Hawks team. What I’m saying is that the Hawks might have similar problems as the Hornets if some of the same events transpired in Atlanta as they have in New Orleans. All I’m trying to say here.
I know the Hawks would not have drafted higher than 12th in either year though. I KNOW THAT.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I do
I’m a genius, mostly lazy, but genius nonetheless. The Hawks wouldn’t stink with Chris Paul. He’s too great of a player. Great players will their teams to win games.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s not forget, they also had the 11th pick in ‘07 in which they drafted Acie Law, a point guard. If they take Chris Paul #3 the previous year they don’t need a point guard and take Thaddeus Young.
by jsams on Nov 30, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But if they had drafted chris paul they wouldn’t have been picking 11 in 2007
pookey – genius or not you do not have access to quantum realities or alternate pasts/future timelines…unless you are commander data or his brother lor at which point i’ll kill you because you’re an android from the future sent to kill us all
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't take a genius to figure out Chris Paul helps his team win games; crappy roster or no
So, my thought process is simple. Chris Paul helps win the Hawks a lot more games than they win in 2006 or 2007, and then maybe they still get a high pick out of the Indiana deal. But we have no clue how that all works out. As is, Atlanta has a pretty good team with a pretty good player like Marvin Williams.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a transistive argument that Jemagee claims I'm doing
You don’t know how all this effects Indiana (which was how the Hawks got the 11th pick) either.
I’m not arguing that the Hawks might not take Thaddeus Young; it’s very possible indeed. In fact you’ve proven my original point in all of this. So thanks. LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In June of 2006, no one in their right mind would’ve taken Williams over Paul.
If the Blazers didn’t pass on MJ in ‘84 they’d never have Roy, Oden and Aldridge.
by jsams on Nov 30, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In June of 2006, no one in their right mind would’ve taken Williams over Paul.
And the hornets wouldn’t trade paul for williams straight up either
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blazers should have taken Malone in 85
Or Barkley in 84.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the Blazers couldn't have taken Malone (even where Malone was picked)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t use the transitive property like that…just doesn’t work – you never know what’s going to happen.
How many teams would rather have brandon roy as opposed to who they picked?
You think the raptors would like to have drafted iguodala over araujo?
You take the best player available…
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not my point jemagee
I’m saying that Paul would have improved the Hawks like he improved the Hornets. Can we agree on that?
In 2006, the Hornets picked 12th overall. In 2007, they picked 13th. I doubt that either year the Hawks would be in position to have gotten Noah or Horford.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your point is using the transitive properly of the draft.
What about the rest of the rosters – you can’t just say this is what happened on team a and this is what would have happened on team B. The hawks could have sucked more than the hornets even with paul.
The point is that the hawks still don’t have a point guard in the future and too many PF’s, if they draft paul they don’t have to draft acie earl or any number of other players.
They missed out on the best point guard of his generation for a guy who ISNT the best of his generation at his position.
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Hornets roster was worse than the Hawks roster in those years
But believe what you like here. It’s not transitive since CP3 would be the main ingredient in both scenarios. I doubt going to the East in 2005 makes Chris Paul a worse player unless you know something I don’t. You clearly want to believe that I’m downgrading the Hornets roster in CP3’s roster. Unless you see something in the 2005-06 Hornets I don’t, I’m curious as to why that argument really holds water.
Up to this point, the Hornets haven’t been any more successful than the Hawks have or vice versa.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from that year the hornets had the best record in the west and were the #1 seed.
You seem to be the only person I know who doesn’t think the hawks made a ginormous blunder passing on chris paul
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I think they did
But hindsight is also 20/20. There is no way in hell the Hawks have most of the roster they have now with Chris Paul. If they did, they’d be as good as Orlando if not better IMO.
I also don’t think Billy King or Billy Knight are crappy GM’s.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t think Billy King is a crappy GM?
Keep in mind that the sixers drafting is done by tony dileo
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he is
But I’d rather have King (or Knight really) than I’d ever want Ed Stefanski.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously that’s like saying, i’d much rather step in pigh shit than cow shit
it’s still shit
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least pig's roll in their shit afterwards
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For you maybe
I think it takes a lot of balls to roll in your own feces. Any asshole species can make bacon. Look at you. :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this whole argument is infuriating.
by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Nov 30, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but it’s entertaining to me, or I wouldn’t keep it up :)
by jemagee on Dec 1, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. That's essentially my point exactly
but put much more succinctly.
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
everyone is trying to make a buck in this economy, gotta do what they gotta do, AI may still be on a team if the economy was not in the state it is in
by sixer83 on Nov 30, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No – he wouldn’t – because Iverson was traded long before the economy started to tank and ran himself out of town.
Stop using the word clueless to describe others
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“AI may still be on a team if the economy was not in the state it is in”
fail
by philiafan14364 on Nov 30, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then why hasn’t a single team ponied up the minimum salary it would take to get him?
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His point was that the economy was the reason. You said that AI was gone long before the economy died, which he was, but that was totally irrelavant to his point.
Im not saying hes right or wrong, just pointing out that you misread what he typed.
by philiafan14364 on Nov 30, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AI
No NBA team wants him. None! And, now he maybe a 76er. We are now going from frying pan into the fire. I thought the GM/Coach were stupid, now they are proving it!
by DeanH on Nov 30, 2009 2:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
AI will demand 35-40 minutes per game, time that he should not get at this time of his career on this team. And EJ might not play Jrue in a potential Lou-AI-Jrue-(Bill-Ivey) guard situation – only recently, with Lou’s injury, has his hand been forced. When Lou comes back, I fear it would become almost exclusively AI and Lou, with Ivey playing maybe 5-10 mpg as a defensive stopper and with Jrue back to 3-5 for the rest of the season. That CAN’T be allowed to happen. They can’t even open the door to it.
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 2:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Iverson takes away only minutes from Bill and Ivey, I’m fine with that. I think that will be more so the case since EJ has started Holiday over Ivey and Bill.
by guitarmouse35 on Nov 30, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It might be the case.
But knowing EJ, it might not be. And that’s something that’s too big of a risk to be worth opening the door to.
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who thinks Eddie Jordan is going to bench willie green (38 minutes last night) over Jrue Holiday if Iverson is signed is seriously missing the point
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 2:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That deserves a sigh much more than an amen.
by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Nov 30, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, yeah.
Not happy that it’s true. but it is true. Signing AI is so much guaranteed trouble – and many times more potential future trouble, specifically when Lou returns. I’ve heard some people suggesting that they’ll just cut him when that happens. That’s absolute nonsense.
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no – eddie would love a lou AI back court – wouldn’t you?
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For entertainment:
Here’s a comment by “DL” from over at the700level:
Personally, I hope they don’t sign AI (I love him and all) and continue to have egg on their face until it becomes so embarrassing they actually do something and also get in the lottery. Winning 30 games doesn’t mean anything to me or this team. I’d rather not sign AI, fire Zhumov, and shoot that stupid ass rabbit. At least those are moves in a positive long-term direction.
I love it, especially that last bit. Zhumov?
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks heavens there are some smart people left in the Sixers org, who recognize that they need another Guard and Iverson is the best available.
Once he’s on the team the Sixers will have enough scoring ability to win. When Speights and Brand get back, it will soon be clear that this team is much better than most of you realize.
They have an inside game with Brand and Speights, they have outside shooters in Kapono and Young. They have slashers and penetrators and people to draw fouls inside.
What they need is to focus on defense and forcing turnovers so they can run and use their athleticism. I think Jordan’s obsession with the PO is the only thing that will hold the Sixers back.
There should be no confusion here, Defense and running when you can, PO when you have to grind it out. Practice attacking the Zone defense, and refuse to settle for outside shots and this team will get out of the 2nd round.
Happy that they had the meeting in Dallas and that upper management has signed off. Biggest concern is what happens when Lou comes back, and the Sixers brought that up in the meeting. No problem since they can always cut him once Lou comes back.
This could actually work in AI’s favor since it will make it clear to those who think he’s lost a step that he’s still an All-Star guard. When Lou comes back, AI will be looking good for teams that need help at guard.
The Lakers are really stupid for not going after him. Fisher isn’t even close to the player AI is.
by RickoT on Nov 30, 2009 2:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You are wrong.
by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Nov 30, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s my point on it:
No team serious about winning an NBA championship in the future would sign on for one year of Allen Iverson because it will hurt the growth of its younger players…this is a horrible basketball move and as far as I see it the only people in favor of it are the ones who can’t see past 2001 or notice that Iverson doesn’t make players around him better and don’t care really about winning a title.
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 2:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And I don’t think it’s possible for any sane person to argue with this. Nostalgia is quite a drug.
by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn on Nov 30, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You say sane i say intelligent
Crazy people can be smart – my mother is a genius – she’s also a paranoid narcissist – i’m pretty damn smart but some people think i’m a bit off my rocker.
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
“I’m pretty damn smart…”
Therein lies the problem.
by FuquaManuel on Nov 30, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heheh.... it was only a matter of time until someone commented on that one.\
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Fuqua – here i thought deciding never to post at the good phight again (you and taco achieved your goal, jonk will be so proud of you) would mean I wouldn’t have to encounter your idealistic ignorance ever more…maybe this will be the last time I ever have to hear your under educated opinion. Yes, I’m smart, Yes I turned down a full scholarship to Temple cause I got into good colleges when I was 18 years old.
I’m lazy, I don’t work, but i have inherent intelligence, I admit my weanesses – you are a pompous bubble living college student with no actual life experience yet and as such i find talking to you a waste of oxygen.
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My most shocking thing I heard when I was at the Summer League in Vegas: the lead blogger for the Bucks Blog, Truehoop currently goes to Havard.
by jsams on Nov 30, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least Frank is still a Bucks fan though
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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh... unimpressed. I'm at Dartmouth.
Harvard can suck it.
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My first brother in law got his under grad at dartmouth – and then taught at harvard – not exactly a ringing endrosement of the ivy league :)
I went to UW Madison – I got rejected by Penn – i slept through high school – i got C’s in honors classes – i’m the only person in the history of lower merion high school to get a C in organic chemistry (which is a saturday morning course you voluntarily take and I still didn’t do any work) – I’m your classic under achiever, throw in a little ADHD some massive depression and horrible parents (3 of them no less) – and you get me.
I wouldn’t advise ANYONE to be me – which is why i bitchslap you youngins for slacking off – trust me – don’t do it – in the end it REALLY isn’t worth it -
And don’t let your parents blackmail you into a major either
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm doing Jewish Studies and Education
trying to become an elementary school teacher. Trust me, no one blackmails anyone into that.
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying, “John, if you switch from biochemistry to film studies I’ll cut off your tuition” – that’s a might powerful fear tool a mother can use :)
Well my sister has dreams of starting a magnet school – i’m supposed to help her out when it gest started being the computer geek -
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you think you are in a position to lecture others? Or do you want pity?
by FuquaManuel on Nov 30, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh jeez, you are sooo right. Thank you for condescendingly pointing out that I have no actual life experience when you have no way of possibly knowing such a thing. You know why I don’t say things like this about you? Because I know nothing about you aside from the silly persona you have constructed on the web.
Now I have some questions for you: if I am undereducated, what does that make you? If I am pompous, what does that make you? Also, do you think instantly dismissing anyone who is younger than you constitutes a good strategy for argument? Can you please elaborate on how I am both idealistic and ignorant? Is this not just John E. Magee-speak for “I disagree with said person’s opinions”?
On another front, you cited laziness as your “weaness”. This is not something I have ever accused you of. I HAVE accused you of thinking that you are more intelligent than you are and of purposely starting arguments with and being excessively snide and rude to other people solely because it gives you a rise.
Again, if you have an issue with my politics, all I will say is that I have been more politically active and engaged in the last 2 years than you have been in your whole life.
by FuquaManuel on Nov 30, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly, the fact that this would be his most talented Sixers team ever is an argumetn AGAINST singing him.
He needs to have the ball – he will demand it; that’s simply how he is. On teams like the ‘01 one, that was OK, because no one else was good enough to do anything with the ball when they did have it. AI dominating the ball was OK – nay, perhaps even good – because he was the best alternative. But that’s simply no longer true. If he’s here now, he’ll have to give up the ball a lot because we now have players who can produce with the ball, or with each other. And I wouldn’t trust AI to buy into that.
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s my question for anyone who wants Iverson back.
How much development did Andre Iguodala have before Allen Iverson left compared to after he got traded?
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Young players learn from older ones. All the tricks, what you can get away with and what you can’t. Once a young player is ready to play then AI would interfere since he’s still the better player. Williams is ready to be a starting point guard, which is why the Sixers weren’t interested then. But with Williams out they need him, since Jrue isn’t ready.
Having AI there, will help Jrue learn.
Iverson opens the floor for other players when he’s scoring. He demands so much attention that defenders loose focus. With Brand and Speights, the Sixers have people to pass to inside. Iverson will make the Sixers better, and he is more interested in finally getting a ring. It’s a good fit at the right time.
by RickoT on Nov 30, 2009 2:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think he suddenly cares about winning?
It wasn’t all that long ago that he signed with Memphis. Memphis!
And the only thing AI is going to teach Jrue is how to be a ballhogging slasher who can’t shoot and won’t pass.
by Saul on Nov 30, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Won't Pass?
Iverson has a career assist per game rate of 6.2 above the likes of mike bibby, tony parker, derek fisher, jameer nelson, come to think of it there are only 6 guards that have a higher average then him, Kidd, paul, d. williams, nash andre miller and calderon. He may dribble too much and take too many shots and all that, but come on the won’t pass label that has followed him his whole career is without merit
by jallstarzz13 on Nov 30, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t agree with a single point in what you said that applies to Allen Iverson.
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of u
In the true sight….They are looking to bring in AI for one thing…….the one thing that they have been lacking for the past couple of seasons…and that’s
TICKET SELLS. We see all those empty seats. U can’t miss all though blank seats. AI is a great story. And what better way to end the story than to have him come back home! That’s gonna sell tickets and be the talk of the nation. They can’t possible think AI will help bring us a Trophy. They aren’t that Stupid. But they know he will bring in sells while our Team will prolly still be in the pits! Who cares “IF” we still stink…as long as we’re selling tickets all is ok! The thought of a business man. Though a true Business man would know that WINNING and bringing in trophies will make u MORE money. !!!!! Period
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by Realtalk32 on Nov 30, 2009 3:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
At least if they sign Iverson I will no longer hem or haw about the league pass – I’ll know not to get it – when do pitchers and catchers report?
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 3:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In the meantime you can focus on harassing me about the Cowboys December.
by jsams on Nov 30, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, kick a guy while he’s down?
I mean sure the cowboys will go 0-4 in December and most likely come in 3rd in the NFC east, but then the astros will do nothing in the off season AND the sixers will suck.
At least some of us have a 3rd LCS appearance (good chance) to look forward to.
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, what a depressing sports life I have.
by jsams on Nov 30, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You were doomed the moment you became a cowboys fan – you have no one to blame but yourself relaly – you chose evil over good – the dark side over the force – edward over the other dude…
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
edward over the other dude…
Twilight is possibly the most retarded book/idea/movement ever. Just saying.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by soman319 on Nov 30, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No – not even close – cause it’s teenage girls, and they get stupid over numerous things.
People taking the da vinci code serioulsy is much much worse – i mean a fun if predictable book but come on folks – let’s not over react.
Twiligh upsets me because there is so much good ‘juvenile’ literature out there swallowed by this mormon focused clap trap vampires who GLISTEN? WTF
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah they completely rewrote the rules of vampires.
It’s not just teenage girls. No way teenage girls single-handedly broke the box office literally and passed the Dark Knight.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by soman319 on Nov 30, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, teen age girls made NKOTB the biggest band in the world for like 3 years.
Teenage girls have a LOT of disposable income and cry to mom and dad to get their way – trust me – every twilight fan has seen that movie at least 3 times (plus i’m sure there’s a pretty heavy gay fan base for twilight as well)
I’m just glad the blind side is making money – but i won’t see it in the theater cause i hate crying in public and the freaking trailer makes me cry
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure it is – and yes – i’m a ravens fan these days – but not gonna do it
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My roommate (i feel ashamed by proxy) saw the movie. He saw the first one as well. I asked why. He says the story line was interesting. I am currently looking for a new roommate.
No but seriously, it isn’t just the younger generation that watch it. It’s also those lonely single men and women that also view it.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by soman319 on Nov 30, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great place for teenage boys to pick up teenage girls.
by jsams on Nov 30, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant the older generations. I guess its a pedophile’s feeding ground? Terrible thought.
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by soman319 on Nov 30, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally forgot about the lonely women who will die virgins sect
If yo uwant to read a TRULY terrible book written by one of them – pick up the first sookie stackhouse novel – it’s amazing how much better the tv show is than that book.
If you kill your roommate in your sleep – you’ll be doing the world a favor
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey – you knew what iw as referring to :)
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How can I not? It’s everywhere.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by soman319 on Nov 30, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So if AI brings a few extra people at the gate while also making the team worse, which would hopefully lead to a higher lottery pick… then it sounds like a win win.
And yes, I’m being somewhat sarcastic.
by JasonB on Nov 30, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He might win them a few games they wouldn’t normally win – if he can still do what he used to do – i stopped paying attention to him after he left philadelphia – he was on longer a sixer so no longer relevant to me – but I think those minutes he steals from jrue (not willie) are more harm than good – win or lose
by jemagee on Nov 30, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that’s true. Holliday should getting every minute he can this season.
by JasonB on Nov 30, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
IF AI would come to Philly..
would a lineup like this work when Lou comes back? At this point I would rather plug Thad in there then Brand.
PG: Lou Williams
SG: Iverson
SF: Iggy
PF: Thad
C: Sammy
Ive noticed over the course of Thads career that he has done better when playing in the PF spot, probably because he is quicker, and has the ability to step out and shoot the ball some.
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by dolphin341 on Nov 30, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he played at pf when he was a rookie
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