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Sixers lose to Celtics 105-74

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  • The biggest difference between this year's Sixers/Celtics game and the games of year's past was the way it started. The Sixers came out cool, calm, and confident. In previous years the Sixers were about to pee their pants halfway through the first quarter before they eventually pulling it together, but this time the Sixers came out, played good defense, didn't force anything, and limited the turnovers. This can be attributed to a couple things. One, the team is a year older and more experienced against superior opponents. Two, their ball movement, spacing and passing actually resembles an NBA offense. And three, Lou Williams is running the offense better than expected. Now, they didn't maintain their lights out defense, nor did they refrain from turning the ball over, but it all fell apart when Eddie Jordan went to the bench.
  • Lou Williams has really impressed me so far. He's running the offense much better than I expected. He has the ability to score every time he brings it up, and sets up his teammates at a pretty high rate. The best way to describe his game "controlled". The offense went from smooth to stale when Lou rested.
  • I liked what I saw from Andre Iguodala tonight. He played good team defense, good man defense, and played the passing lanes brilliantly. He was aggressive on the offensive end, and did what a star player is supposed to do -- "take over". "Taking over" doesn't mean you force stupid shots. It means you play good defense, take good shots, and set your teammates up for easy buckets. Andre did all of that. 
  • Thaddeus Young was awful on both ends of the floor, plain and simple.
  • Samuel Dalembert played really well tonight. He showed some skills in the post, including two sexy jump hooks -- one over KG and one over Perkins. And the interior defense was 10 times better when Sammy was in the game, as was the rebounding. 
  • This was the first I've seen of Jrue Holiday this season, and nothing he did tonight warrants giving him big minutes yet. However; he still should take the majority of Bill Green's minutes. They both did about the same to help the team, but Jrue needs experience since he actually has a future.
  • Any combination of Kapono, Holiday, Green, Thad, Speights or Smith played little to no defense tonight.
  • I'm not sure what the Princeton Offense looks like, but I think I witnessed the beginning stages of it tonight -- at least when the starters were in. The ball movement and spacing is much better than it was last year -- again, when the starters were in the game.
  • Almost everything Eddie Jordan has done this season concerns me. The Sixers biggest downfall -- every game -- is when the bench comes in during the second quarter. You would think that Eddie would leave at least 2 or 3 starters in to prevent this from happening. No. Instead he brings 5 bench guys in at a time and they either blow the lead, or dig a deeper hole. Fail. 
  • There are some positive things to take from tonight's 31 point loss like, Andre Iguodala's defense and aggressiveness, Lou Williams' control, Jason Kapono's shot, the Sixers' calmness to start the game, and Elton Brand who made a bigger difference than his numbers project. Let's not forget, the Celtics are a really, really, really good team, and they showed why tonight. I still have hope that the Sixers can score the fourth or fifth seed, and maybe even the third the way the Cavs are playing. 
Player of the game: Sam Dalembert

Runner-Up: Jaime Maggio

Fun fact: Jrue Holiday is ambidextrous.

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That almost topped Jon Gruden’s “And that’s why they call him (Malcom Floyd) M80, because he will EXPLODE in your face,” quote.

by Jordan Sams on Nov 3, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

“He’s equally proficient with either hand.”

http://www.phillyarena.com - Philly sports forum/blog

by tk76 on Nov 3, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Anytime we can hold Ray Allen to 25% shooting and no 3s, i consider that a minor success. Guys that can shoot anything near like he does is the last thing I ever want to see on the court against these Sixers

by jmorcate on Nov 3, 2009 6:47 PM PST reply actions  

and we dont have an answer for front court shooters like sheed except to hope he has an off night

by jmorcate on Nov 3, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Nowadays, you're better off doing it the other way around.

Let Rayray shoot the ball and try to cool ‘Sheed. He was insane yesterday though, don’t think that’ll happen too often.

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel, Celtic fan.

by Kiorrik on Nov 4, 2009 12:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Couple things

1. I thought Jrue looked good in the 4th, but yes he was shaky in the 2nd and did lose Eddie House because he was playing too aggressively on the help D.

2. Iggy has usually covered Stab Wounds (PP) in the past and has I think made him work really hard (as he does against most SFs). Tonight he got to go at Ray Allen and did play good D on him as well, which gives me hope his really good SF defense can translate just fine to SG defense, all while being one of the bigger SGs around on offense (maybe he can get some looks in the post as the season progresses).

But Thad has never been inspiring on defense, and he’s going to need to step it up on that end of the court (as is Lou since I thought Rondo and company were taking it to him on that end — I agree Lou looks great on offense though). I think if Lou and Thad can progress (all the necessary athletic skills are there) we have plus defenders at every position of the starting 5, which doesn’t solve the bench woes but does provide something that most teams do not have.

3. I think everything is still a work in progress regardless, and really the goal I had in mind for this game was to see Boston’s starters have to come back out for the 4th — unfortunately that did not happen.

4. I think the Sixers can reel off a bunch of wins in the coming weeks with the schedule they have, but obviously they need to improve their sets in the half court (the signs are showing little by little), improve the pick and roll defense/hedging and running guys off the 3-point line — neither of those things has improved much so far this year.

by Slizeezyc on Nov 3, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions  

Jrue did look good in the fourth, but looked out of his element in the second — when the game was still competitive, so I put little stock in his fourth quarter play. However; the form on his jumper was encouraging.

I agree with everything else. The team is still trying to piece everything together. They need to continue to beat bad teams and they’ll be fine.

by Jordan Sams on Nov 4, 2009 6:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Score 90 lose by less than 20 – that’s all i asked for

FAIL

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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 7:55 AM PST reply actions  

small sample size but......

we all see the defensive lapses in this team – currently giving up 112 points per 100 possessions which is good enough for 24th in the NBA

by Tanner Steidel on Nov 4, 2009 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

Louis Williams

From what I’ve seen of him this year, he’s been progressing pretty nicely. Definitely had a breakout type game against the Knicks. Lets see if he can build off of that. I went to UGA so when he spurned his commitment to go straight to the NBA I thought it was a dumb decision, but he’s slowly coming into his own.

by dcdawg07 on Nov 4, 2009 9:39 AM PST reply actions  

Yes he’s been progressing nicely offensively

Maybe some day he’ll realize basketball is played at both ends of the court

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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Lou gets a bad rap. Him and Thaddeus are equally bad on defense, yet I never hear anyone criticize Thad. I could even go as far as saying 6’, 170 pound Lou is a better rebounder than Thad. Why is it that Thad can do no wrong when no matter what Lou does people find fault in him?

by Jordan Sams on Nov 4, 2009 10:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Don’t look at me – I just know lou stinks defensively – no idea how bad Thad is

PS – Jordan – not sure how ‘statistic heavy’ you want your blog to be – but I’m trying to get together a ‘cabal’ of sixers bloggers who might be interested in sharing the costs of some data that would allow deeper more flexible analysis

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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m interested. Send me an e-mail with more info.

by Jordan Sams on Nov 4, 2009 10:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Jordan

my work email program (entourage) doesn’t remember your email address – if you drop me a line i can reply

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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally someone taking off their rosey glasses on Thad. Actually, I think Lou is a better defender than Thad.

by DeanH on Nov 5, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

WOW

it was a priceless game wow sixers need a little more work in every category… Boston looks solid being healthy and having wallace and daniels off the bench. They won by a landslide and allen along with garnett had joke of games with 5 and 3 pts respectivly

by sixer83 on Nov 4, 2009 12:37 PM PST reply actions  

One of Boston`s strong points has been their bench. Something tells me on a good night offensively, the sixers starters could actually compete with boston`s starters. When the bench comes in that`s when it all goes down the tubes.

by jefu on Nov 4, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

The two positives were Sam Dalembert, who managed to guard Perkins and KG and not get into foul trouble at the same time. His offensive moves were the best I’ve seen from him in a long time. In fact, both Perkins and Garnet had bad games, as did Ray Allen. The Sixers didn’t have any trouble until the Celtics went to their bench and brought in Wallace.

The other positive was Andre Iguodala continuing to play and do what he could to help his teamates.

The Sixers have to be the worst three-point defensive team ever, there is a time to help and switch, and then there is a time to stay with your man outside. In fairness to Jason Smith, he tried to guard ’Sheed but he was having one of those nights.

What bothers me more than anything is that the Sixers let Boston take over the game because they were failing to execute their offense. The Celtics didn’t score that many points, but they sure stopped the Sixers, one of the most potent offenses in the NBA from functioning.

This is a good lose, since it should provide motivation for the Sixers to work harder on their offense. The PO is supposed to enable them to score against a good defense, if it does, then where was it last night? and we better figure it out before the playoffs if this team is going to do anything. We already know they can run like gazelles up and down the floor, but in the half court on offense they aren’t even as good as they were last season,

by RickoT on Nov 4, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

The ‘Sheed threes are kinda flukey. He’s almost impossible to guard when he’s on, and he was on last night. The open threes to Eddie House on the other hand, are inexcusable.

The Celtics didn’t score that many points, but they sure stopped the Sixers, one of the most potent offenses in the NBA from functioning.

Did you just call the Sixers one of the most potent offenses in the NBA?

by Jordan Sams on Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you have a partical point in saying the sixers have one of the best team offenses. Due to free angency team offenses rarely exist. These teams build around one player with a par support cast. Due to this ressesion you see more of 70’s based teams though im an 80’s baby. You take are sixers we have players that can equally score taking the burden off of guys like elton or iggy “premier guys”. Think about it? look at the lakers or cavs, if you were to take the guys which I like to call guys from the free agent era guys, like kobe or labron away from their teams you can see that these teams would deflate from this free angent structure. This could not be stated about the sixers team. our team is an equal opportunity team. This is why I agrre with the stament made by Ricko T

by KamauFox3000 on Nov 5, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

4 games in we have no idea who has one of the best ‘team’ offense in the league – the efficiency numbers (best way to compare diffrent systmes) aren’t available yet

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by jemagee on Nov 5, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

PS Jordan – if we buy the statistics package i’m loooking at – this is seomthing we could actually run and look at in detail :)

Any other stat intersted folks out there in terested in having free access to ‘box score’ data and interpreting it any way you want all season – let me know

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by jemagee on Nov 5, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactty Jordan era also. That sounds like a plan. I would like and see how you would work this Jemagee..

by KamauFox3000 on Nov 10, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

They`ll figure it out before the playoffs. They won`t figure it out four games into the season. Depending on the night, and the team, it`s going to look both good and bad in the beginning of the season.
I`m more concerned with the bench players – particularly Jrue`s development and other players figuring out their roles. Including Willie`s roll being bench warmer, drink re-filler, and garbage man.

by jefu on Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

division three college basketball

sixers look like a division two or three college team!

by Jga75 on Nov 4, 2009 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

Comments like this are so utterly ridiclous – even the best college programs have 3 players who’ll stick on an NBA roster

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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you got lost somewhere on your way to philly.com

Leave the dumb, redundant comments there. This is a blog for more educated people.

by jefu on Nov 4, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

and me

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by jemagee on Nov 4, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Dear NBA – your scheduling sucks

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by jemagee on Nov 5, 2009 9:54 AM PST reply actions  

to date celtics 6 games, sixers 4 games, warriors 3 games

by Tanner Steidel on Nov 5, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah and next week the sixers play 5 games, if I’m not mistaken…fair.

by jefu on Nov 5, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I didnt catch the game but how did sammy and elton play. I seen the stats but you cant tell how effective these guys were until you watched how they have played. I wondering if sammy played like a true big and did elton from a defensive point help down low w/sammy?

by KamauFox3000 on Nov 5, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

pti tonight your’s truly got to ask a question on fortune teller about allen iverson – liberty ballers infiltrating espn

by Tanner Steidel on Nov 5, 2009 12:03 PM PST reply actions  

I’m saying the Sixers are one of the top offensive squads, by considering who they have on their roster. Most teams have 3 or four scorers, and some role players. The Sixers have 8 scorers who can put up a lot of points. They have post players, they have outside shooter(s) (They do have Kapono!) And, they have loads of slashers, who can drive the lane, draw fouls and make acrobatic plays at the rim. Size-wize they have depth at the Center, and Power Forward spots, and Carney should be able to provide backup to Young and Iguodala along with Kapono. We are a little short at point guard, or will be until Jrue breaks into the rotation.

What that says to me is that they have the potential to be a very high-scoring team, impossible to guard. The sooner they figure this out the better. I’m not so sure the Princeton is the right offense for this group. If you watch how Miami gets Dwayne Wade loose from his man, and then consider that the Sixers could do the same thing with Iguodala, Williams and Young, and maybe eventually Holliday, you realize that forcing iso’s is very effective. Just pick on the weakest player on the other team, and force them to either accept getting beat or double. This is what the Sixers are still missing: a go-to play that the other team cannot stop.

It doesn’t have to come out of the Princeton, you don’ t need to fool anyone, you just need to beat them and score.

Seriously, Boston does a lot of this, they found their scorers at the start of the 2nd quarter, Wallace came in and stared bombing threes. Pierce was also able to get going and so did Eddie House. Look, most teams you shut down, their Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen and they’re going to lose! But Boston has a lot of depth and the ability to score from the outside. It is important to understand that the Sixers shut down Boston’s inside game. Perkins was ineffective, Garnet had a bad game, the only big man they had to anything was Wallace and he was shooting from the outside exclusively. Boston’s bench saved that game for them. And this is what separates Boston from other teams.

Now that the Sixers are a stronger inside team, they should be able to win a lot of games, they should be able to control the boards and get easy scores in the paint. They also have very talented guards who can really do anything pass, score, rebound. I am more concerned at this point with the Sixers offense, since I think they can outscore most teams. Unless the NBA has all of a sudden become able to shoot the three at a 40% clip or better consistently, the smart play is to let them bomb away and pound them on the other end, trusting that eventually they’ll start to miss those long shots. Just stop them from scoring inside and driving and I’m satisfied. The Sixers get frustrated when they fall behind and become stagnant on offense, that should never happen, they should always be able to make a score.

It is early in the season, but I can see the potential there, I’d just like to see it be realized sooner.

by RickoT on Nov 5, 2009 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

So it’s just opinion then

8 scorers who can put up a lot of points…i stopped reading there

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by jemagee on Nov 5, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

If you don’t think that’s significant, go ahaed and say so. But I know for a fact that this is rare in today’s NBA. I also know that it will become apparent as the season unfolds. Just watch.

by RickoT on Nov 6, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions  

I stopped reading because your premise was that there were 8 scorers on the sixers who could put up a lot of point s- which i think is kind of a bad premise – the rest flows from a flawed premise – so why bother reading?

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by jemagee on Nov 7, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

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