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Sixers lose to Wizards, but Jrue is free!

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The Sixers did not play a particularly well tonight, and lost to the Wizards. Poor defense, worse rebounding, Antawn Jamison -- the list goes on -- but that's not what's important. What's important is what transpired during the final 10 minutes of the game. 

Sixers fans have been screaming "FREE JRUE" since training camp, to no avail. Tonight, down 11 with 10 minutes to go, Eddie Jordan finally played rookie instead of making his usual Royal Ivey substitution. (The equivalent of the white flag.) Much like the last game Jrue played, he came in with a quick  trigger finger, doing everything in his power to prove that he deserves more minutes. However; unlike the Memphis game, Jrue's shots were falling, which led to good defense, which led to good rebounding, which forced Jordan to leave him in for more than 4 minutes. The result? A ferocious comeback fueled by the rookie. The comeback feel just short when Lou Williams' potential buzzer-beater rimmed out, but that doesn't take anything away from the "Holiday goodness" we saw during the final 10 minutes. 

From this day forward, the 19-year-old Holiday should be freed for good, with an emphasis on should since we have no evidence of Eddie Jordan doing what should be done, yet. 

Now, for all the people out there saying, "10 minutes dude? Even Eddy Curry had a great 10-minute stretch once," this is a completely different situation. I am not claiming that Jrue is going to be an All-Star, a good player, or even an NBA starter. I'm just saying that he deserves 10-15 minutes a night and should play more than Royal Ivey and Willie Green. There is no logical explanation why he shouldn't. None!

If I were a betting man (which I am), I'd bet that Jrue Holiday earned himself at least a time share with Bill Green as the backup point guard. If not, than Sixers fans really have a right to be outraged. What Jrue did tonight was better than what Green and Ivey have done all year -- combined! 

Five paragraphs later, here are Jrue's final numbers: 10 minutes, 11 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 1 block, 0 turnovers on 4-6 shooting. Even those absurd numbers don't justify what Holiday meant to the Sixers tonight. He was all over the place. And if you think I'm excited, you should've heard Marc Zumoff pop a blood vessel screaming like a 12-year old girl after Jrue made his third three. 

I have two more things to say about Jrue "I turn grown men into teenage girls" Holiday -- some good news and some bad news. Which one do you want first? The bad news? Okay. We cannot expect this kind of game from Jrue every night. Duh! The good news is, Jrue is only 19 years old and loves to play defense -- something we can expect to continue every night. 

Rest of the game after the jump.

Star-divide

It's a shame that it's taken this long to mention Lou Williams, because he was brilliant tonight. I've been saying that the Sixers need a go-to scorer in order for them to be a legitimate contender, and Lou might be turning into that guy. Don't take this as me bashing Andre Iguodala, because he is still the Sixers best player, but he is not -- and never will be -- a number one scorer. Just like Allen Iverson needed to be surrounded by defensive studs to reach his full potential, Iguodala needs to be surrounded by at least one superior scorer to reach his full potential. 

Speaking of Allen Iverson, he is exactly who Lou Williams reminds me of. For better of worse, it looks like Lou Williams is Allen Iverson 2.0 -- a gambler on defense, the ability to make the good pass, but not a true point guard, and the ability to score at will. No, Lou isn't as good as the original and never will be, but keep in mind he is only 23 and has only started 13 games in the NBA. 

(The game-winning attempt upset some people. Lou dribbled 11 seconds off the clock and pulled up for a jumper instead of driving to the basket. I completely understand why fans are mad that he didn't go to the basket, but I'm okay with the shot myself. What I'm not okay with is the 11 seconds he dribbled off the clock. I would've much rather seen him take a quicker shot, so the Sixers could foul and get the ball back should he miss. My counter to the people saying he should've taken it to the hoop is: how many NBA players settle for a game-winning jump shot instead of taking it to the hole? 99%. That doesn't make it right, but that's the NBA folks. Everyone wants to be a hero and hold the pose.)

Another developing story is the improvement of our bench players, slowly but surely. Rodney Carney has emerged as a legitimate sixth man. He was no match for Antawn Jamison tonight, but in fairness, neither was anyone else. Most nights Carney will provide good defense, good rebounding, athleticism and the occasional three, but you guys already knew this. Jason Smith is also starting to establish himself as a pretty good 8th man. Add these two to Jrue and a healthy Speights and the Sixers roll pretty deep. 

Everyone else was pretty played pretty normal tonight. Etlon looked nothing like he looked he had in the past three games, but left with a sore hamstring, so maybe that had something to do with it. Thad was pretty good, not great. Sam was decent, but still did "Sam-like" things. Bill was Bill. Andre Iguodala was the only real disappointment. 

I don't want to spend too much time on Iguodala. He was bad tonight. He's been bad. He takes way too many jumpers and needs to stop. That's all there is to it. On the bright side, he was 8-8 from the free throw line, swishing every one. 

But wait, there's an elephant in the room. "The Sixers lost the game. The defense and rebounding were bad once again. They can't win like this."

All valid points, but a wise man once said: "Watch the individual players and hope they develop. Try and ignore the whole team/coach thing if you want to remain a fan and keep your sanity." I saw enough development from two individuals (Lou and Jrue) tonight to get me excited, and I still believe that this team can put it all together and go on a nice run before it's all said and done. If Sam, Elton, Thaddeus, Andre, Lou and the bench all play like their capable of, this team can do some special things. First things first, everyone needs to accept their role, but that's a whole 'nother post. 

Bottom line, this is the most excited I've been about a Sixers game since game 3 of the Magic series. For the first 12 games of the season, I barely moved during the games. Tonight I was jumping around, screaming and fist-pumping. If nothing else, it's something to build on.

Player of the game: Lou Williams 

*Update* Kate Fagan tweet: Brands saw doc. Has right hamstring soreness and tightness and is officially listed as day-to-day.

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Third Quarter Play killed us again

How good was Jrue tonite? well here are his stats:
10 minutes: 11 points, 4-6 from the field 3-5 from 3point land, 6 REBOUNDS, 1 assist, 2 steals, 1 block and a +10
Dang, Jrue can play Eddie????
and Royal Ivey didn’t play!!!!!
Jason Smith had a nice 3 point shot
Lou Williams is really turning into a star we all thought he would be- i think that was billy king’s only good decision, except for maybe drafting iggy

eff you we winning anyway

by eagleswin on Nov 24, 2009 6:41 PM PST reply actions  

Just imagine how impactfull Ivey could have been

http://www.phillyarena.com - Philly sports forum/blog

by tk76 on Nov 24, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It was interesting

the comeback did not include Iguodala in the line-up…. yes, very interesting indeed….

by guitarmouse35 on Nov 24, 2009 6:46 PM PST reply actions  

Yup – don’t want your best player on the team to try and win for you.

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Best player

not our best shooter/go-to guy.

by guitarmouse35 on Nov 24, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Aside from Kapono most of the sixers ‘shooters’ are all equally suckage

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

and you're getting on me for hating iguodala?

my god. really, man? how is my dislike for iguodala any different from your dislike of everyone else but?

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not even sure what this means – it’s well known that the sixers are a poor shooting team, it’s one of their primary weakenesses, lousy shooting, lousy perimeter defense, lousy rebounding.

These are problems the team has had since the rat jumped ship…

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

and yet,

you want to get rid of the best rebounder (sammy d), you think nothing of the best perimeter defender (rodney carney), and what exactly is your opinion of jason kapono?

this team is not the same team from 3 years ago. the pieces are here for contention.

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know about that.

I’ve said this before. Our players don’t necessarily compliment each other. I won’t go into specifics unless necessary but our players don’t compensate for each others’ weaknesses. One good perimeter defender isn’t going to make the whole team good it. One great rebounder doesn’t translate to a good rebounding team.

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Nov 24, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

The pieces are here for contention?

You start two guys who are bench players.

Samuel Dalembert is the teams ‘best’ rebounder (a point i disagree with you on but you never let facts sway you so why bother) and yet for almost a year the sixers have been trying to trade him and no other team wants him.

Willie Green is a major rotation player whereas most people who follow basketball wonder why he gets any minutes.

Kapono is a nice 3 point shooter, he’s a good piece off the bench on a contending team, he’s not better than Kyle Korver, and he’s a luxury on a team that isn’t really contending – as the sixers aren’t even close – but he got reggie evans out of town so there is that.

And as for carney – he runs fast and jumps high and yet people were glad to see him back cause i guess they forgot how mediocre he was when he was here – and so good that no other team in the league offered him more than one year?

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

sammy’s contract is horrible, the trade kicker is just a mule kick to the balls, but he’s a quality player. i have in the past, and will continue to in the future, support sammy D. he rebounds and he blocks shots, and he’s actually gotten reasonably good at avoiding fouling everything that moves.

also, i just want to point out that the sixers problem has really never been that they can’t defend the perimeter; their problem has always been that when a team is shooting lights out against them, they don’t have the scorers to keep the game close, or to close a gap. that’s still their problem, but i think they can get better at some point, though maybe not this year.

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

If they could defend the perimeter better maybe so many teams wouldn’t shoot lights out against them.

As For sam – keep tooting that horn that says he has positive impact on the floor

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910PHI.HTM

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

okay, so to prove he is a negative asset on the court, you link me to a page which shows the team is better with him on the court.

brilliant.

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not sure how you read tht page as saying the sixers are better with sam on the court – but that does explain a lot

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

the sixers have a better point differential with him on the court than with him off the court

simple, really.

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Well if it’s simple then you must get it

notice those pretty rebounding numbers – the ones where the sixers rebound better defensively when Sam is on the bench (but dear god this team sucks at defensive rebounding) – probably better offensively for the same reason they are with evans – because he gest his own bunny misses that should go in.

I believe your argument was that sam was a strong rebounder right?

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

more so go-to guy

like i believe speights and/or Holiday can be.

by guitarmouse35 on Nov 25, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m glad to see the anti iguodala brigade return…it’s like a good screening process

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 7:06 PM PST reply actions  

lol, you mean to screen anyone whose comment you can just ignore?

by jmorcate on Nov 24, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

One of my main planks in my electoral campaign is to sterilize the stupid…

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

no need

GAY SEX FOR ALL!!!

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

You made your point already – you can stop now

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

it's the simpsons, man.

get a sense of humor.

oh, and don’t blame me, I voted for kodos.

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Iguodala and Brand both had poor shooting nights and the Sixers are without their best big man in Speights. All things considered it should have been a loss except that they were playing the flailing Wizards.

Arenas looks terrible out there. Not sure why the Sixers always have a problem at the start of the third quarter. Can’t blame Jordan since it’s usually the same five that start the game.

Jrue definitely showed that he deserves more PT, and his play on both ends was so good that he really deserves to replace Willie Green as the first guard off the bench. He is clearly ready to contribute, and Eddie Jordan knows that everyone else knows it too.

Sammy Dalembert had a very good game for the Sixers. If only one of their top starts, Brand or Iggy has a halfway decent game the Sixers win this one. Iggy is a very good player, but has too many bad games to be a primary scorer.

If Brand is out tomorrow, we’re going to get killed by Boston. Sam and Jason Smith will do good jobs, but they have no one to back them up except Brezec, who should get his first action.

by RickoT on Nov 24, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

Can’t blame Jordan since it’s usually the same five that start the game.

One coach adjusts, one coach doesn’t…?

Andre Iguodala was never going to be a primary scorer – he has NEVER been the primary scorer in high school or college – it’s not his game — WHY do people keep thinking he’s going to be?

Gilbert Arenas IS terrible- might be one of the worst contracts in the NBA rtight now

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

+1!

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Nov 24, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

ackkkk failll

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d fix it for you but i’d be accused of buing abusive :)

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

said the man who's deleted 4 posts tonight.

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

oh. was i not supposed to say that?

make it 6.

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Ricky

Did derek ban you again?

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

do you really not remember me?

i feel slighted.

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I have so many web stalkers who think they can ‘insult’ me or think they somehow ‘understand’ me it’s hard to keep all their neophytes straight

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

backshegoes.

human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

So that eliminates belmont shore – then again – you’re not as laughable as he is either.

Let’s see – i could guess or i could continue trying to solve the problem of designing brians rotation database – or i could watch paint dry -

Wanna guess which one is 3rd most important?

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

stop pestering man.

I understand if you have an opposing point and I understand if Jem rubs you the wrong way (we have had our own battle), but don’t go out of your way to poke at him. =)

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Nov 24, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

There is no ‘ctrl’ button on John’s computer. John is always in control.

by Jordan Sams on Nov 24, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok – so that made me laugh :)

You know if EJ starts playing Jrue regularly i might have to get me some league pass

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

You should get someone who has League Pass broadband to let you watch the fourth quarter of tonight’s game. It’s been a long time since I’ve been that excited about an individual player. It was basically Romo coming in for Bledsoe all over again :)

by Jordan Sams on Nov 24, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you got confused, you mean Brady taking over for Bledsoe right?

Cause what has romo accomplished that matters (december and beyond) in the NFL?

:D

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Is this mistake huge or tiny folks?

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 9:02 PM PST reply actions  

John, don’t know if your third quarter question has been answered, but it was the usual. Too much penetration, over-helping, bad rebounding, etc. Nick Young and Jamison were on fire as well, so that didn’t help.

by Jordan Sams on Nov 24, 2009 9:03 PM PST reply actions  

Did the wizards change something that they didn’t try in the first half and did the sixers not bother adjusting from their first half M.O?

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Not that I noticed. You’ll have to wait for Brian’s rotation chart. I can’t remember the lineups that were in there.

by Jordan Sams on Nov 24, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Not lineups themselves but approach to the games…same 5 starters in the first and third usually – but why were the wiz so much better in the third than the first, and vice versa, did they do the exact same things better or did they change their approach?

by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

They just executed better. Nick Young was on fire, with Iguodala was guarding him. And the Sixers had no answer for Antawn Jamison. Brand was too slow, Thad was too weak, Carney was also too weak, and Smith couldn’t hang with him.

by Jordan Sams on Nov 24, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Sixers also shot themselves in the foot with bad shots and turnovers.

by Jordan Sams on Nov 24, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Which led to easier baskets for Washington.

by Jordan Sams on Nov 24, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

All of those things are facts. And horrible rebounding. And no Jrue.

by Michael Levin on Nov 24, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Where does Iguodala get off thinking he’s one of the best all-around players on the floor when his man a relative unknown in Nick Young lights him up and also keeps Andre from scoring on him on the other end. Iguodala dissapeared last night and that’s hard to do when your bringing the ball up.

That was a very good point that jsams made about Iguodala needing a primary scorer to play off of. Thing is that player should either be Brand or Speights. Williams IS just like Iverson, but he’s not as selfish or egotistical and is willing to work hard on both ends of the floor. It’s not a problem now, but Jrue is probably better suited to being the point for the Sixers because he is a better defender by virtue of his size. In the future, here will be a competition for the starting point guard and Lou Williams might end up back on the bench, which is almost absurd considering how well he has been playing, but Jrue’s upside is even greater!

The point about Jordan and the starting group went right over your head, jemagee. How is it Jordan’s fault when his starting five, which manages to do pretty well starting the game, fails to perform at the start of the third? If your players aren’t consistent with what they give you, it makes it very difficult to coach!

by RickoT on Nov 25, 2009 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

No it didn’t go over my head, but obviously mine went over yours.

Plus your psycho analysis (and disregard for nick young) of Andre Iguodala is interesting, but I’m not sure it comes to being even close to accurate (and no – there is no typo or inaccurate spacing in this sentence)

Iguodala had a bad game, let’s string him up, burn him at the stake, draw and quarter him, he’s not allowed to have a bad day at work, and neither are any of you….so you’re all fired.

by jemagee on Nov 25, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t have a problem with Andre having a bad game, but he’s unhappy about being on the bench at the end and has trouble understanding why. A great player who’s having a bad shooting day lets the other players take the shots. If Andre was driving to the basket or doing anything positive on offense, the Sixers would have won. His points are very important to the Sixers chances of winning. When he doesn’t score, the SIxers need to find the points from somewhere else. If that means sitting Iguodala at the end, he should be mature enough to realize it. This team isn’t going anywhere if Iguodala isn’t scoring his normal 18-20. The boards and assists are important, but the Sixers need scoring. They are not a good defensive team. Which means they have to win by outscoring their opponents.

by RickoT on Nov 25, 2009 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

If the sixers defense didn’t suck they would have won, if thad young could rebound like a small fowrard or play defense they would have won, if eddie jordan would get his head out of his ass about jrue holiday they would have won.

you have an agenda – you want it to be iguodala’s fault – but there are a LOT of reasons they lost….hey look elton brand sucked eggs last night too – maybe it’s his fualt – maybe he was mad at andre and played bad on purpose or maybe he’s selfish or maybe HE JUST HAD A BAD FUCKING GAME

by jemagee on Nov 25, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Someone broke Lou’s jaw ysterday – he won’t play tonight

does this mean willie starts or ivey starts?

by jemagee on Nov 25, 2009 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

I don't know who starts...

…but tonight could be Jrue’s introduction to the rest of the league (or at least to fantasy basketball players outside of PHI). After tonight, I have a feeling he’ll be owned in more than the 4% of Yahoo leagues he’s currently owned in.

by steven (@fantasyhoopster) on Nov 25, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh i think he’s going to get WAXED tonight (and he’s starting) but I hope EJ gives him more than one game

The wizards stink folk – and the suns play little dfense – i expect Jrue to struggle mightilly tonight – but I want to see Jordan let him struggle

by jemagee on Nov 25, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

RIght, probably not the best matchup...

…but it’ll be interesting to see what he can do against Rondo. Or Eddie House in garbage time. (Hey, those 4Q stats count in fantasy too…)

by steven (@fantasyhoopster) on Nov 25, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Jrue officially starts tonight in place of Lou

according to CSN. I am back harrassing ya’ll. Especially jemagee! :-)

by DeanH on Nov 25, 2009 3:42 PM PST reply actions  

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