iggy is the problem
by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 6:46 PM PST
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well, he is. this night doesn't prove it, and it probably won't convince anyone of that fact, but it's true. jem can check this if he wants, but i've probably been saying it for longer than it's been true; iggy is not someone who is capable of taking this team to the next level.
this team will go only as far as thad takes it. lou, jrue, carney, kapono, smith, speights, and dalembert (and yes, i'm 1 of 1 who still likes and supports sammy D) are all capable of winning games for this team, but thad is the guy who will turn this team around.
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I think it's more so Holiday that will turn the team around
but I think all of us already know that Iguodala has already proven that he’s a #2 guy at best, not a #1 guy.
that's the problem, though
iggy isn’t a good enough shooter to play off the ball. he needs the ball in his hands to be productive, but he just isn’t good enough a ball handler to carry a team anywhere.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Could someone tell me what a post like this adds and why it shouldn’t just be deleted?
Pure hyperbole, blow harded egotism with out a single fact but someone wanting to ‘pat themselves on the back’ for being right for a moment – strong move ricky.
this team will go only as far as thad takes it.
Then lottery here they come
by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 7:03 PM PST reply actions
we're going to the lottery anyway by the way we are playing so it doesnt matter
eff you we winning anyway
Do you ever actually support your arguments or respond to points that contradict yours? Come on Ricky – you claim to be a grown up but you constantly are child like in banging your chest for the few moments it seems like you’re correct.
Yes – it did disappear – think about that for a moment
by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 7:13 PM PST reply actions
look, we both know your history
it’s kinda funny that someone who’s been silenced as much, and as often as you is now getting off trying to silence someone else.
delete this too if you want, but i think it bears being pointed out.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
And yet you still haven’t supporting yoru argument or responded to the fact that Thad is god awful this year.
It’s a strong argument
by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.libertyballers.com/2009/11/24/1173061/iggy-is-the-problem#26124999
i might be wrong about thad, i’m completely willing to entertain that fact, but i know i’m right about iggy, and i think i’m right about brand, so thad getting good is about the only hope this team has of ascending to a championship level team.
if he doesn’t get good, what’s one more year of mediocrity?
i like this team. i like lou, i like jrue (and that goes back further than draft day, if you want to look it up), i like carney, kapono, speights (and that, too, goes back past draft day 08).
i like this team. i think this team can win. i just happen to think it can’t win without thad being great, and i happen to think thad will never get great unless the shadows of elton brand and andre iguodala are removed.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Nov 24, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
Where you at TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsMichaelBourn
I think the under wins for the Iggy argument that I mentioned in the game thread.
Dude, read what I posted about Iggy and tell me what you think.
http://www.libertyballers.com/2009/3/23/807484/my-beef-with-andre-iguodal
Personally, I feel that Iggy is part of the puzzle but definitely not the catalyst. I’m sorry but I can’t agree with the whole Thad assertion either. I am a believer in Holiday though. Again, tell me what you think about what I wrote a couple months ago.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I like Jrue Holliday but he’s had very limited minutes, let’s not anoint him yet, it’s like anointing brandon jennings after a few games, people are already calling him archibald for goodness sakes. I like the future of Jrue Holliday and Speights and Young AND Iguodala…but people still haven’t learned to appreciate Iguodala and ALL that he does
by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I agree. You know my position on Iguodala. I love the guy and I appreciate his skill set and what he brings to the team. Unfortunately, people don’t understand the type of player he is. You’re right, I may have gotten ahead of myself in “anointing” him but got to have faith right? I don’t think it’s misguided.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by soman319 on Nov 24, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
IHeart Iggy
But I don’t like the way he carries himself on the court or how he yells at teammates on the floor a lot of the time. I have more issues with what I perceive to be his mental game rather than his physical game.
And I have issues with your perception Mr Marzano
If your team mate makes a stupid mistake – you yell at him – marc jackson used to yell at Sam Dalembert all the time – you could HEAR the screams of “SAM” every game – and he was praised for it…
by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
See that’s the thing, I don’t necessarily believe he is “the leader” of this team, as terrible as this sounds. He will be a perfect compliment to “someone” but until then there will be a perception that he is going to be “the guy”. Technically he is “the guy” of the team, but his skill set isn’t really such a thing.
Hope that made sense. haha
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I’m not sure he ever was the leader of the team or was ever going to be the leader of the team, but some people who don’t really think things through assume that biggest salary means leader (which means it should be brand doesn’t it?)
The presumption that he would become leader is the same as the presumption that because he isn’t suddenly a 20 PPG player or whatever he’s over paid
by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
I guess. But what I meant was that, “by default”, he is/was the “leader” (i will use that term loosely) of the team. Our management has done a terrible job of overpaying people and I won’t get into that because there is no point. There will be many disagreements on whether Iguodala was overpaid (personally I think he was).
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
And you feel he was over paid because he wasn’ the ‘leader’?
Willie Green is over paid
Sam Dalembert is over paid
Elton Brand is probably over paid
Eddie Jordan is definitely over paid.
by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
I feel he was overpaid because our management has been terrible with contracts and players. Nothing to do with leadership.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Well in his ‘defense’ Stefanski didn’t have much history for you to judge from.
You can’t judge Stef by Kinks contracts, and vice versa
by jemagee on Nov 24, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Iggy is not what is holding Thad back. Good players adapt to their situation and work on their games. Thad is a poor rebounder and doesn’t play defense particularly well. He hasn’t been creating his own shot or been running the floor like he did last season. Out of all the starters he has been the worst disappointment. Jordan’s system should be getting Thad opportunties and it is, he just isn’t making his shots and looks like he doesn’t have confidence in himself.
The Key to this team’s success is Speights and Holiday. Adding those two to Williams, Young, Iguodala and Brand makes this a very strong core group. Smith, Dalembert and Carney add good depth and Kapono and Green are adequate roll players. Until Speights gets back, Brand will get the chance to earn his spot in the rotation. By the time he gets back the Sixers should be a better team and he will give them a big boost with his production.
Iguodala is not the problem. He is currently miscast as the primary scorer. I’ve said for years, he is a defensive-minded facilitator by nature. Surround him with finishers who can defend and this team will flourish(like Holiday, prime Speights, hopefully Prime Thad, maybe?).
Iguodala’s only “problem” is people who continue to conflate “best player” with “best scorer.” Can Iguodala lead this team to contention as the best player? Sure. Can he lead it as the best scorer? No.
by MojoPharoah on Nov 25, 2009 8:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with the premise of Iggy is the problem
but it can be corrected. The problem with Iggy is he thinks he is a scorer and can make the big plays. He can sometimes but he is not that good of a shooter. He is an excellent rebounder and team player if he gets off his ego.
I am tired of his cocky attitude when he makes a dunk and then trots back as the player he is suppose to be defending makes the points right back.
What he needs is a strong coach to put him in his place. I believe Thad, Speights and Holiday are the future of this team and need 1 more piece to build a strong core. Iggy can be part but he is not the best player on the team whenever they contend.
i will say it again.. its not the players but the system. we have drafted the best athelet on the board for the past 10 years and now we have a half court coach. if you draft athletes let them run and make sure they play super defense. every ones confused by this misplaced system… worst 2 moves we made was bring a non running power forward to the team and bringing in the Princeton offense. we needed a defense first coach, and an atheletic bigman so we either need to get rid of them or trade half the team to get the right cast
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