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  • Lou Williams was great on offense tonight. There's no denying his skillz. However; he made a few costly mistakes down the stretch. One was a terrible pass on a 3-on-1 fast break and the other was allowing Mike Conely to blow right by him, killing the Sixers momentum in the process. I don't expect anyone to play perfect, and I'm not going to kill Lou for his two mistakes; I just wanted to point them out. Overall, he was a beast. 
  • Andre Iguodala's jump shot has definitely improved over the summer, but I felt like he was taking too many this season. I looked at the numbers and 68% of his shots are jumpers as opposed to 64% last year. That surprised me. I expected a much larger discrepancy. That said, his jumpshot was not falling tonight, and his shot selection was very poor down the stretch. Elton Brand was doing his thing. Lou Williams was having the game of his life. Yet Andre took it upon himself to take contested jumpers. Just because he thinks he's the best player on the team -- and he is -- he doesn't need to summon his inner-Kobe every time his team needs a bucket. He's not, and never will be, a go-to offensive player.
  • Elton Brand followed up his best game of the season with another good one. I'm still not ready to acknowledge him as the Elton of old, but he's getting close. The biggest difference I've seen in these past two games is his confidence -- in him body and in his game. The numbers speak for themselves: 22 points, 6 boards, 4 steals and 4 blocks.  
  • Rodney Carney is developing into a solid role payer. He's learning to play within himself, and his defense was outstanding tonight until... he failed to rotate defensively at the end, allowing Rudy Gay to hit the dagger. 
  • Thaddeus Young is back in his slump. Is he:  A) Simply in an extended slump? B) Too young? C) Being used incorrectly? D) Highly overrated? 
  • Now to everyone's favorite topic, Jrue Holiday's pyche. Eddie Jordan finally played Jrue. Good for him. But he's still completely botching the whole situation. Here's why: Jrue played 4 minutes tonight, and during those 4 minutes he managed to do his best Bill Green impression by taking 5 terrible shots. What I saw from Jrue tonight was a kid trying to do as much as he possibly could in 4 minutes knowing, after he makes one mistake or 5 minutes have gone by -- whichever comes first -- he's done for the night. This is a horrible mindset to have and completely affected the way he played. If Eddie is going to play him 4 minutes every other night, he might as well just leave him on the bench. How can any development happen in 4 minutes? Especially if it's a "one mistake and you're gone" type deal?
  • Overall, it's hard to get too upset over tonight's loss. As Sixers fans, we should do ourselves a favor and lower expectations tremendously -- at least for the time being. Until the Sixers show any signs of life, I expect games and losses like tonight. Remember, we were just as bad last year and it took until January to officially turn the corner. This was the turning point, and until this season's turning point comes, just enjoy the games as much as you can. 
Player of the game: Lou Williams & Elton Brand

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it seems the sixers always give up in the third quarter

p.s.-JRUE PLAYED AND ROYAL IVEY DIDNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG OMG

eff you we winning anyway

by eagleswin on Nov 20, 2009 6:42 PM PST reply actions  

Rebuilding Year, how can Memphis honestly beat the sixers… this team is pathetic. The only good part about this is if the sixers get worse, which is tough to do at this point, maybe the young guys such has Jrue will get more minutes. Also, maybe when the trade deadline comes a team in contention may try to get Sammy D as another C to eat up minutes for the team’s starting C in the playoffs

by sixer83 on Nov 20, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions  

Thad looked really awful. He is what concerns me the most about this team. Hopefully he’s just adjusting to a new coach (his third in three years), but his development is crucial to this teams future success.

by Michael Levin on Nov 20, 2009 7:34 PM PST reply actions  

And 6 comments in the game thread? jeez that’s almost as depressing as the loss.

by Michael Levin on Nov 20, 2009 7:34 PM PST reply actions  

Something I really liked from Brand tonight

Sammy did his usual I am terrible at rebounding routine and it caused Marc Gasol to get the ball under the basket and Elton fouled him… During the Free Throws you could see Elton yelling at Sammy, gotta love some veteran leadership from Elton.

by Tron79 on Nov 20, 2009 9:19 PM PST reply actions  

Some Eddie Jordan comments:

“There were two different teams out there tonight. One team (the Grizzlies) rallied around each other and the other team fragmented. I’m not going to sugar-coat it. We had five different guys go five separate ways. It’s about team vs. non-team. It’s a game we could’ve won if we’d have had some camaraderie and positive energy.”

“If you’re not a physical team … It’s an old saying that if you don’t bite as puppies, you’re not going to bite as dogs. If you didn’t rebound as a young man or teenager, you ain’t going to rebound when it’s time to be a man. We just don’t happen to have those types of guys right now.
“There was no leadership. Coaches can do so much — getting up and clapping and cajoling and encouraging them in the huddle. It just didn’t happen. Their will and determination were just much higher than ours.”

Nothing like hearing our great coach throw his team under the bus.

http://www.phillyarena.com - Philly sports forum/blog

by tk76 on Nov 20, 2009 9:59 PM PST reply actions  

Eddie Jordan is just killing me. He took a team with passion, energy and camaraderie and turned into this mess of disjointed parts. The Players don’t believe in EJ. You can just see it. I remember Lynam talking about how Mo used to be able to inspire the team. They played solid on D.

If Stefanski has the balls, he will just eat it like Kerr did & fire Jordan before the ASG. Either that, or we are in lottery city

by MojoPharoah on Nov 20, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

on a positive note

attendance was 14,250… much better than the last couple games

by Tanner Steidel on Nov 20, 2009 10:41 PM PST reply actions  

idk how many season tix packages were actually sold, but this game that was supposed to be AIs return was on all of them so it makes sense

by jmorcate on Nov 21, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

verall, it’s hard to get too upset over tonight’s loss.

No it’s not – because you’re ignoring one key factor – piss poor defensive reboudning especially late in the game in a completely winnable game…how can you not get upset over a loss to memphis at home…memphis is terrible…memphis starts jermaine o’neal.

Check out the DF write up on why you should be upset about this loss, because it’s the EJ mentality seeping onto the court that’s causing the losses

by jemagee on Nov 21, 2009 8:29 AM PST reply actions  

They are who we thought they were. I’m not going to treat the Sixers like a good basketball team until they turn the corner — if ever. Fact of the matter is, the Sixers are a bad basketball team with a bad coach right now. And bad basketball teams lose to the Memphis Grizzles at home. Bad basketball teams also get murdered on the glass. It’s an 82 game season. Odds are, they’re going to have a lot more games like this one. I’ll acknowledge their mishaps, but I’m not going to write a gloom-and-doom post after every loss anymore.

by Jordan Sams on Nov 21, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Well yeah they’re bad on the glass, but that was reprehensible. And come on – you look at th schedule you see memphis at home – you think even without speights this team shoudl win don’t you?

That quote from Thad is incredibly troubling by the way…i have major concerns now

by jemagee on Nov 21, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

The team is such a mess right now, mainly because of Jordan, I don’t expect them to beat anybody. Seriously, they’ve gotten blown out by every good team they’ve played and barely beat the bad ones. My mindset should change as the season goes on, because I do expect the team to improve. I just don’t know when.

Why is Thad’s quote troubling?

by Jordan Sams on Nov 21, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Why is thad’s quote troubling? Well for a lot of reasons

1. Eddie Jordan might be a much worse coach than we thought – but he says he hasn’t installed a lot of the PO yet – just the basics (and they hardly ever run it) – and you know he’s going to get at least a season and a half to destroy this team before he’s fired, or stefanski won’t last much longer than jordan

or

2. Thad Young does not have a very high basketball IQ and a statement like that mnakes it clear to everyone in the league and decreases any trade value he might have. Maybe the reason he excelled under Mo and Tony had nothing to do with playing the 3 or the 4 but because they were simple offenses. We all know it – the sixers had no real offensive sets under Mo or Tony – they excel in the transition because it’s more instinctive and not a lot of thought, if Thad is too confused to know what to do now that a real offensive system is coming into place – that concerns me because high athleticism and low basketball IQ isn’t a star.

by jemagee on Nov 21, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

His defense and poor rotations are also evidence of a low basketball IQ, because unlike Lou, I really believe he wants to play good defense.

And you’re right about him excelling under Mo. Remember how many stories we read about him not getting a single play run for him?

by Jordan Sams on Nov 21, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

But he still got the points thought righT? He still played well without plays being called for him. Now you have to wonder, was that because Mo/Tony were idiots or because they realized from practice that Thad doesn’t do well when he has plays run for him?

If it’s the second, then Jordan is a bigger idiot than I was afraid of AND Thad will never ascend to the level we hoped, not without a high basketball IQ, you don’t just need natural ability to be a star in the NBA< that’s why there are so many busts in the draft, you need a work ethic and a strong basketball IQ and you need all 3…(and drafting ignores two of them in my opinion). If thad lakcs the basketball IQ – can that even improve?

I know i had very low expectations of this team this season but I must admit – they are still failing to meet them

Yes they ahve 4 wins, but check out the records of the teams they have the wins against 5-30, that’s right, knicks nets and charlotte are a combined 5-30

so 4 wins doesn’t even seem like much of an accomplishment does it?

by jemagee on Nov 21, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m not ready to say that he can’t grasp an NBA offense yet, because he’s only 21. But he’s headed there. I’m kinda mad at myself I bought into the Thad hype. His defense is bad. His passing and ball handling are bad. His jumpshot is okay. He has potential to be good, but I don’t think he’ll ever be great. He’s getting the LaMarcus Aldridge treatment from Sixers fans. LMA is a solid player and he has the potential to be good, but Blazers fans think he’s the next Tim Duncan, and I laugh every time I hear LMA hype. The rest of the NBA is probably the same way with Thad.

And yes, they’re much worse than their record.

by Jordan Sams on Nov 21, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve read some articles about Aldridge and he has the ability to be a great PF but he’s not Tim Duncan, it’s not even the same game, he’s more finesse and Duncan is more physical (my two keepers this year were Aldridge and Durant)….I think the blazers need ODEN to mature or they’ll never win all those titles peopl are predicting.

As for Thad…maybe my sam and thad for ellis trade looks better to folks now?P:)

by jemagee on Nov 21, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know much about Ellis besides the numbers he puts up. Is he bad at defense? Ball hog? Lou Williams?

by Jordan Sams on Nov 21, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Until this thing with Nelson I never heard much bad about him (the moped thing was stupid, but he’s young and kids do stupid things) – he had a good rep around the league – but how can you tell how much defense a guy plays on a team that doesn’t play defense at all?:)

by jemagee on Nov 21, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

The bigger news is Elton Brand boosting his trade value. Unfortunately, he’s going to average like 30-15 for anyone to flinch.

by Jordan Sams on Nov 21, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

My concern with Ellis is that he can’t shoot from deep. Ellis/Iguodala is not much different then Thad/Iguodala

by MojoPharoah on Nov 21, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

There’s a big difference, Ellis is more ‘evolved’ now as an NBA player than Thad…the sixers aren’t going to shoot the 3 well, ever, and one player won’t make THAT much of a difference, so accept who you are, a slashing driving team, dump the princeton offense and go with what works, it plays to ellis strength and he’s more on the same ‘career trajectory’ than thad – we can hope ffor thad but daily i’m losing hope or go with ellis who is a more ‘finished’ product now and maybe waste LESS of Iguodalas prime years.

Find a coach (or force the coach) to play jrue as much as possible so he evolves – brand plays back into shape and speights comes back healthy next season.

Holliday
Ellis
Iguodala
Brand
Speights

That’s a better starting line up I think than keeping Young

by jemagee on Nov 21, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

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