Sixers comeback falls short; lose to Wizards 90-89
I almost became angry, than I remembered it's still pre-season.
Saul was court side for the game and posted his observations in the comments. I'm moving them to the front page so we have some actual insight from last night's game. Thanks Saul.
Spent all of halftime chatting with Kate Fagan of the Inquirer (a little about the Sixers – we agree that there are a lot of ifs, and if they all work out then the team could win some 45-46 games, but could also crash and burn if they don’t – and more about why there’s so little enthusiasm for professional basketball in Philadelphia. Neither of us really had good answers there), then spoke very briefly to Sammy and Thad after the game. Exciting stuff.
Unfortunately, I on’t really have much to offer as far as the game itself went. Sitting courtside, it was a much different perspective on the game than I’m used to, and it was easy to get caught in trying to understand what the players were saying to each other and the refs and watching the other things happening on and around the court – at the expense of actually following the game. Here’s what I did see:
- No one looked particularly good. Kapono hit some nice (and timely) 3s, but also took some bad jumpers. He did not look like he was trying to do too much, though.
- Speights is very skilled around the basket and he can shoot. But we knew that. He also took some shots where he perhaps should have passed. We knew that too.
- I love Jason Smith. He’s big, he’s strong, he’s energetic, and he can shoot. Hit a number of jumpers, including a big 3. He also had the play of the night, a beautiful, emphatic cutting dunk to give the Sixers a 78-76 lead, their first of the second half, which had started with two long Wizards runs sandwiched around a shorter Sixers one.
- One of the really worrisome things (Fagan makes this point and a number of other excellent observations on the game in her blog post over at philly.com) was that the Sixers often took a good 10 seconds off the shot clock before they really got set. Often, they got down the floor and ready to run a play with just 10 or 12 seconds left on the shot clock. That’s a lot of wasted seconds, and resulted in a few bad shots.
- Iguodala, just like most of the rest of the team, had a streaky kind of night. At one point in second half, he hit jumpers on three straight possessions, but he also had a lot of bad shots and was largely invisible otherwise. His stat line read 4 assists and 3 rebounds, which seems about right. He didn’t do much other than score his points.
- Jrue was interesting. He got himself into trouble with his dribbling a few times, but wasn’t too bad overall. He wasn’t asked to do too much, but what he did, he did pretty well. He also played some excellent defense – I remember one play specifically where he did an excellent job staying in front of Mike James, who was looking to drive.
- Thad drew a good charging call in the first half. The refs overall, though, were pretty bad, missing the calls on some obvious fouls on both sides. They were, however, quite sharp (oddly enough) when determining who should get the ball after it had gone out of bounds.
- Not much (unfortunately) to say about Brand. He didn’t look great, and was not a primary option in the offense tonight. He only took four shots (making one), and at least a couple of those were not good shots. One was a botched layup when he tried to take it coast-to-coast himself and couldn’t pull it off.
- The defensive rebounding was quite bad, especially in the first half. JaVale McGee, Dominic McGuire, Nick Young, and Brendan Haywood all had at least one play on an offensive rebound, several when Dalembert, Speights, or someone else just couldn’t get to it or hold onto it. The final rebounding margin was 50-38 in favor of the Wizards, and 14 of those 50 were offensive boards.
- Lou was Lou. Not great, but not awful tonight, either. One thing I did gain by sitting so close, though, is a newfound appreciation for his speed. He is really fast.
- Sammy had three good blocks and made his defensive presence known, but didn’t do much else. Both of his makes were midrange jumpers, and he hit 3 of his 4 foul shots. Perhaps he shouldn’t be shooting those jumpers at all, but i think he’s something of a better shooter than we sometimes give him credit for.
Got to see the lefty baby hook from Thad. That was exciting.
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Yo
Bare with me and my one line recaps. I don’t have access to the games and I’m battling a hand injury.
Opening night is a week away, and I’ll be ready.
P.S. Anyone else joining fantasy basketball or are we set?
by jsams on Oct 20, 2009 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d be interested in fantasy bball. I just did not see the post about it till after it had been up 2 wks so assumed it was full.
by fantasybc88 on Oct 20, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it’s your fault?
Don't frack with me or you'll get a punch in the kidneys...you've been warned
by jemagee on Oct 21, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid box score
Originally it said the sixers won 89-88.
Judging from the box score, it looks like they played a pretty bad game. When the starting five was playing the wizards starting five, they couldn`t gain anything on them….and this was without Arenas and Jamison playing. Anyone who actually watched the game..any thoughts?
by jefu on Oct 20, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Something interesting to take from the box score was the substitution patterns for the first 38-40 minutes of game. They looked a lot like the substitutions EJ might make come regular season. That might be a good thing because Ivey and Green were somewhat limited. It might also be a bad thing because I think Jrue should be the backup 1, and that’s clearly not the case.
by jsams on Oct 20, 2009 7:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I would not say that just yet about the subs. I don’t think Eddie will run a full bench mob. I would be shocked if he doesn’t keep at least one of Thad, Lou, Dre or Brand in the game at all times.
by MojoPharoah on Oct 20, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first 3 off the bench were Kapono, Smith and Speights. I think those 3 will be the first three off the bench in the regular season with the X-Factor being Carney. EJ had to play Ivey, Green and Holiday tonight because it’s the pre-season, but I don’t think they see much more than 5-10 minutes during the regular season.
by jsams on Oct 20, 2009 7:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Given what I’ve seen, I would not be surprised if they run a 9-man rotation w/Green, Kapono, Speights and Smith the only ones who get in. I’d be shocked if Green is not in the rotation.
by MojoPharoah on Oct 20, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that, but after what I’ve seen in pre-season I prefer Holiday as the ninth man.
by jsams on Oct 20, 2009 8:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, Green has earned the ninth man role. His PG play has been solid for the most part. I’d go with Holiday and Carney tied for that tenth man spot, depending on matchups and such.
by MojoPharoah on Oct 20, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
holiday is a pretty good defender, for me he gets the nod over green even though green has hit some pretty big shots before
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Oct 21, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From someone who watched...
I wanna know how EB looked.
by jsams on Oct 20, 2009 7:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I only caught the last 3 quarters, but he really seemed to struggle out there. Andre actually spoonfed him a couple of times to try and get him going. For right now, I would not be surprised if he were basically the 3rd/4th option, tied with Lou. I’d probably put Speights ahead of him too.
by MojoPharoah on Oct 20, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he rebounds and plays defense.
by jsams on Oct 20, 2009 8:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Brand looked bad on offense... real bad
Hopefully its just rust, but he looked like a marginal NBA player on offense out there. And that is no exaggeration. He had about 6 looks in the lane and came away with 2 bail out FT’s and one lay-up.
Brand was the 5th option out there, and did not look quick enough to generate opportunities for O-boards. he actually has looked worse than last year. At least last year he got O-boards and blocks.
It better be rust.
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by tk76 on Oct 20, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, which is what makes me think it is more rust/being out of sync then anything else. If he looks like this in January, well…
by MojoPharoah on Oct 20, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he can help us dominate the glass, bang and defend while working his way into rhythm, I’m good.
by MojoPharoah on Oct 20, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ref admitted to Bill that he made the wrong call
Bill Green asked the ref about the call and he said it was wrong. But as Bill pointed out, it is pre season for the refs too.
So the 89-88 score w/ the sixers winning is correct in reality.
by DeanH on Oct 20, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just got back from the game
Spent all of halftime chatting with Kate Fagan of the Inquirer (a little about the Sixers – we agree that there are a lot of ifs, and if they all work out then the team could win some 45-46 games, but could also crash and burn if they don’t – and more about why there’s so little enthusiasm for professional basketball in Philadelphia. Neither of us really had good answers there), then spoke very briefly to Sammy and Thad after the game. Exciting stuff.
Unfortunately, I on’t really have much to offer as far as the game itself went. Sitting courtside, it was a much different perspective on the game than I’m used to, and it was easy to get caught in trying to understand what the players were saying to each other and the refs and watching the other things happening on and around the court – at the expense of actually following the game. Here’s what I did see:
- No one looked particularly good. Kapono hit some nice (and timely) 3s, but also took some bad jumpers. He did not look like he was trying to do too much, though.
- Speights is very skilled around the basket and he can shoot. But we knew that. He also took some shots where he perhaps should have passed. We knew that too.
- I love Jason Smith. He’s big, he’s strong, he’s energetic, and he can shoot. Hit a number of jumpers, including a big 3. He also had the play of the night, a beautiful, emphatic cutting dunk to give the Sixers a 78-76 lead, their first of the second half, which had started with two long Wizards runs sandwiched around a shorter Sixers one.
- One of the really worrisome things (Fagan makes this point and a number of other excellent observations on the game in her blog post over at philly.com) was that the Sixers often took a good 10 seconds off the shot clock before they really got set. Often, they got down the floor and ready to run a play with just 10 or 12 seconds left on the shot clock. That’s a lot of wasted seconds, and resulted in a few bad shots.
- Iguodala, just like most of the rest of the team, had a streaky kind of night. At one point in second half, he hit jumpers on three straight possessions, but he also had a lot of bad shots and was largely invisible otherwise. His stat line read 4 assists and 3 rebounds, which seems about right. He didn’t do much other than score his points.
- Jrue was interesting. He got himself into trouble with his dribbling a few times, but wasn’t too bad overall. He wasn’t asked to do too much, but what he did, he did pretty well. He also played some excellent defense – I remember one play specifically where he did an excellent job staying in front of Mike James, who was looking to drive.
- Thad drew a good charging call in the first half. The refs overall, though, were pretty bad, missing the calls on some obvious fouls on both sides. They were, however, quite sharp (oddly enough) when determining who should get the ball after it had gone out of bounds.
- Not much (unfortunately) to say about Brand. He didn’t look great, and was not a primary option in the offense tonight. He only took four shots (making one), and at least a couple of those were not good shots. One was a botched layup when he tried to take it coast-to-coast himself and couldn’t pull it off.
- The defensive rebounding was quite bad, especially in the first half. JaVale McGee, Dominic McGuire, Nick Young, and Brendan Haywood all had at least one play on an offensive rebound, several when Dalembert, Speights, or someone else just couldn’t get to it or hold onto it. The final rebounding margin was 50-38 in favor of the Wizards, and 14 of those 50 were offensive boards.
- Lou was Lou. Not great, but not awful tonight, either. One thing I did gain by sitting so close, though, is a newfound appreciation for his speed. He is really fast.
- Sammy had three good blocks and made his defensive presence known, but didn’t do much else. Both of his makes were midrange jumpers, and he hit 3 of his 4 foul shots. Perhaps he shouldn’t be shooting those jumpers at all, but i think he’s something of a better shooter than we sometimes give him credit for.
- Got to see the lefty baby hook from Thad. That was exciting.
Anyway, I’m exhausted now and I need to get up tomorrow. Had a great time, though. God, even though they could turn out to be awful, I love this team.
by Saul on Oct 20, 2009 9:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
by the way
That call against Willie at the end was a horrendous one. There was absolutely no foul there. We may complain about ol’ Bill Green, but he wasn’t terrible tonight, and he certainly wasn’t responsible for what happened with 0.3 seconds left tonight.
by Saul on Oct 20, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thx for the 1st person account. I’m sure there are things you can see from that close that do not transmit over the TV. Hope you enjoyed the seats. Did seem like a tiny crowd.
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by tk76 on Oct 20, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jordan, how many people can make the draft?
I’m going to be on a plane to Phoenix. It sounded like 2 others will miss it (are you sure the other 7 are good?) maybe we can make a new thread to see who is in for Thursday.
Bummed since in H2H the draft is everything. you can’t really pre-rank because you tend to pick based on the strengths and weaknesses of your 1st 2 players.
For example in my only other league I picked Howard 1st (at 11) and then went on to punt FT%. Depending on which cat you punt it sort of changes everything.
http://www.phillyarena.com - Philly sports forum/blog
by tk76 on Oct 20, 2009 9:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Willie also missed one of his two free-throws at the other end just prior to that play. The Sixers outscored the Wizards 27-20 in the final quarter and did it without Young or Brand. Iguodala only played 3 min. in the final quarter.
Were this a regular season game, Andre would have been in there instead of Green.
The comeback was basically fueled by Williams, Speights and Smith. Willie had some nice assists.
I’m more concerned about Thad Young, He didn’t seem to do much last night and he is one of the players I’m expecting big things from this season.
by RickoT on Oct 21, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As for the refs, it is preseason for them too, but on top of that, they were replacement refs because the league had just reached a deal that night with the normal refs.
by jmorcate on Oct 21, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
great – but no preseason for the rel refs- first week should be fun
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by jemagee on Oct 21, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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