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Sixers At Spurs open thread 01/03/09

Philadelphia 76ers at San Antonio Spurs, Jan 3, 2009 5:30 PM PST


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21-11
Enemy: Pounding the Rock
Prediction: 97-84 Spurs
8:30 PM est
TV: NBA TV
Previous meetings: none
Probable starters:
Andre Miller PG Tony Parker
Willie Green SG Roger Mason
Andre Iguodala SF Michael Finely
Thaddeus Young PF Tim Duncan
Sam Dalembert C Matthew Bonner

It's not quite ESPN or TNT, but tonight the Sixers will be ballin' on NBA TV. They play their second consecutive game against a Texas Powerhouse and I expect things to be similar to they were last night. The Sixers might hang around for a while, look like they might possibly steal a game, but allow the better team to prevail in the end. That's why they play the games though. Less than a year ago, the streaking Sixers, in the midst of their playoff run, squeezed out a win against this same Spurs team and did it in impressive fashion. It was an awesome win, ranking number eight on my top 10 games of 2006-2007. Here's the quick recap:

 

8. San Antonio Spurs vs. Philadelphia 76ers (March 15, 2008)

[Ed.]

This game was during a month where the Sixers went 11-4. Of those 11 wins, five were against  legit playoff teams, including Boston, Detroit, Phoenix and San Antonio. This game might have been higher on the list, but at the time it just seemed like another day at the office. The win brought the Sixers to within one game of .500 and made their playoff chances seem very realistic. My thoughts during this game were, "Are we really going to beat the Spurs in a grind it out game in March, when the Spurs are in their playoff gear?", "Can Sammy really shut down Tim Duncan at the end of the game?" and "Does this mean Philly really has a shot at the playoffs?" The answer to all those questions was yes. The Sixers held a small lead throughout the game, until the fourth when the Spurs made their push. Andre Miller had an absolutely ridiculous game, finishing with 32 points (11-14 shooting) , 7 assists, 5 rebounds and ZERO turnovers. They tried defending him with everyone. Mike Finely couldn't stop him, Tony Parker couldn't stop him, Manu Ginobli couldn't stop him, Jacque Vaughn couldn't stop him and even the oh so wonderful Bruce Bowen couldn't stop him. Everybody on the Sixers played near perfect basketball, only turning the ball over a whopping four times. FOUR TIMES! Besides Miller, if I had to single one player out, it would be Samuel Dalembert. Dalembert owned Tim Duncan defensively in crunch time. Cheeks allowed him play one-on-one for the most part and Sammy made it pay off, either blocking or bothering all of Duncan's shots in the last few minutes. This was one of the most balanced, team effort victories of the season and it came against the defending champs.

That game was magical to watch. I find it hard to believe that history would repeat itself though. The Sixers were playing out of their minds. Not so much nowadays. This year I can't imagine the Sixers only committing four turnovers in a half, let alone an entire game. And I don't see Sammy D shutting down Tim Duncan again any time soon.

A loss tonight and the Sixers would finish with a 1-5 record on their brutal six-game road trip. That's not all that bad, considering the fact that losing all six was very plausible. After this game, the Sixers have another tough one against the Rockets at home, then they have two "easy" ones against Milwaukee and Charlotte, who by the way, NBA League Pass aired a game between those two instead of the Sixers/Mavericks. I know the Sixers have been bad lately, but the Bucks and Bobcats?! Then after their "easy" games they have yet another tough stretch of games, playing the Hawks, Blazers, Spurs, Dallas, New Orleans, Houston and Boston in 7 of their next 11. None of us is really sure when Elton is coming back, but he better hurry, because with that schedule the Sixers could have a pretty horrible record when he returns. Then again, playoffs are always a possibility in the East.

To tonight's game.

Will Marreese Speights log 0 minutes again? I hope not.

Will Lou-Will and Thad continue to grow? Yes.

Can Iggy follow up his solid game against Bruce Bowen? Ummm.

Will the Sixers lose as expected, or pull off the upset? That's why I'll be watching the game.

8:30 eastern time. Be here.

 

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Was there any reason given for Speights not playing?

by Ben16 on Jan 3, 2009 1:34 PM PST reply actions  

I didn't hear any.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

It's always nice to be on NBATV

Only problem is I don’t get it in HD.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 5:12 PM PST reply actions  

Philadelphia 76ers – San Antonio Spurs

LIVE

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by milleniumprince on Jan 3, 2009 5:36 PM PST reply actions  

My goodness.

Not a quality picture at all.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 5:40 PM PST reply actions  

Bonner is so awkward looking.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 5:42 PM PST reply actions  

14-4 Spurs

Timeout

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

Not a good start.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

Speights and Lou are the first off the bench.

Thank God.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions  

40-19 after one.

My God.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:02 PM PST reply actions  

ugh

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions  

This is outrageous.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

See what shooters do for a team?

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions  

Thad had 10 shots in the first half.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

What's Iggy's free throw % this year?

Seems better.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:07 PM PST reply actions  

He's been

really hot over the past 12 games or so. his whole game has improved over that time, except 3pt shooting, of course.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, the jumpshot has looked good by his standards.

Including tonight.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Less Than 10

By the half and I’m buying in.

Spites is a monster on the glass!!

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 6:14 PM PST reply actions  

WTF REGGIE

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:16 PM PST reply actions  

Stop calling him spites.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:16 PM PST reply actions  

alittle spiteful wouldn’t ya say ;)
bada bum tshhh

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by Remis on Jan 3, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

The more he says Spites

the more points Speights scores. I’m all for it.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply actions  

Reggie isn't being smart tonight.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:19 PM PST reply actions  

Money

from the foul line, though.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

And almost dunked like LeBron.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Willie just stands there

and let’s Manu get that o-board. Unreal.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 6:30 PM PST reply actions  

Then

he dribbles the shot clock out. Come on.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 6:31 PM PST reply actions  

I hate Willie Green so much.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:31 PM PST reply actions  

Yep

Willie is absolute garbage.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

Willie let Parker penetrate easily there too.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:33 PM PST reply actions  

That last play

was Willie’s fault too. I think he’s responsible for about a 7-point swing here in last minute and a half.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 6:33 PM PST reply actions  

Why the eff can't Lou start for him.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

And have Ivey take his minutes.

At least he plays D isn’t a ball hog.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude I just realized Bruce Bowen doesn't play.

I did not know that. Has he declined that much in one year?

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:41 PM PST reply actions  

I think it was

more of a two or three year decline.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Iggy

is playing amazing basketball right now. I wonder what this team would look like w/ him playing like this and Brand. We may never know.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 6:55 PM PST reply actions  

I wish Brand would've had the surgery.

I don’t like the fact that he’s leaving himself open for the same injury.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

And yes.

It’s these kind of games that make me love Iggy. He’s doing it all.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I know I sound redundant, but

I hate Willie Green.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 6:55 PM PST reply actions  

I'd like to see

Theo in there to guard Duncan for a little while. Maybe go really big, with Theo and Sp8s in the front court.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 6:59 PM PST reply actions  

Dalembert isn't all that bad tonight.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

On defense that is.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You wrote that

right after the turnover, right?

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

right

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's Theo for you Brian

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:04 PM PST reply actions  

Oh wow.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:06 PM PST reply actions  

6-point game

come the fuck on.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:06 PM PST reply actions  

Willie kills it :(

But then takes a charge!

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:07 PM PST reply actions  

probably

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

That was insane.

I still like his fake behind the back dunk better.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

See what happens

when theo comes in?

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:11 PM PST reply actions  

Yes sir.

And Andre ’Miller is absolutely ballin

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Come on Miller

get over the hump here..

13 in the quarter.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:12 PM PST reply actions  

Mason can definitely shoot.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

And to think, I didn’t even bother watching cause I wanted to see what an atrocity Jumper (on HBO) truly was.

Hayden Christiansen is a worse actor than Sam is a basketball player

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

But Rachel Bilson is smoking hot.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

She’s in the anne hathaway category of hot – but even she couldn’t save that god awful muddled mess – and from what i’ve heard the book was actually pretty good – but they went and did nothing much from the book.

BTW – Is Speights really that hard to pronounce?

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously.

Please get his name right.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

An improvement – when the clippers couldn’t get it right they NEVER got it right the whole game.

So is he playing defense tonight?

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd say he's playing ok defense.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks to the PA announcer.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I love numbers like that

Mason’s averaging more points – mostly because his minutes have gone up :)

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:22 PM PST reply actions  

He's shooting

like 47% from three. Where did that come from?

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

He shot 40% last year.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m going to go with small sample size – give him the season and he’ll revert to his mean :)

If he’s so much better at the 3 you’d think his point game numbers would be up more than just proportiante to the minute increases.

Maybe he gets more open looks on a team that’s much better than the wizards and thus is more ignored

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Why is Royal Ivery on the floor and Miller isn’t?

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:27 PM PST reply actions  

Was thinking the same thing.

Miller will be back soon.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if Sam is taking notes at how Theo plays.

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:28 PM PST reply actions  

You know – per usual- if it weren’t for the 3 point shot – the sixers would be in a comfortable lead – they’ve been doing excellent on the offensive glass and quite good on the defensively glass.

Lou Williams shot selection needs some work

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:29 PM PST reply actions  

Heat check

he just hit two of those. but you’re not wrong.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Just looked a bit rushed to me – just not a smart shot in a close game to me

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

He'll learn.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

If someone teaches him – i worry about this ‘coaching’ staff

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll live with it.

Same can be said for a lot of offensive minded players.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Ivey ends his night with a bang.

I don’t expect to see again him unless there’s overtime.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:29 PM PST reply actions  

Win or lose at least they made a game of it after a horrific start.

I thought 1-5 on this road trip – so either way – it’s nice to see

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:31 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

at this moment BOTH teams are 38-71

however the spurs have made 11 more threes than the sixers

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:32 PM PST reply actions  

Oh #9 – I want you to be cheered so much – why do you do things like that?

And why is Royal Ivey still in the game?

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:33 PM PST reply actions  

I guess Ivey is still in for D

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:33 PM PST reply actions  

I honestly think I’d rather have Willie in right now

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

And I hate saying that

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Noooooo

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

You know what would be nice right now.

Having someone in the game who could post up and be a threat offensively.

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

No – probably not – but right now the offense needs all the scoring it can get without a post presence or a 3 point shooter and green brings that more than ivey – he can get to the basket – and that’s how they’re scoring right now

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Thad should be in.

Green is 1/9 on the night.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t realize they took out thad – I think right now i’d go with a ‘starting 5’ but louis williams for willie green

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow – NICE defensive series

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:35 PM PST reply actions  

I love Theo.

Nice defense.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

Dre Miller!

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:39 PM PST reply actions  

Mill

er.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:39 PM PST reply actions  

damnit.

need a stop here.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:40 PM PST reply actions  

Give the ball to Miller!

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:40 PM PST reply actions  

Another questionable shot choice from Lou in the ‘clutch’ moments of the game

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:40 PM PST reply actions  

Beautiful

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions  

I bet Thad could stay in front of Manu

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions  

I'm confused why Thad is nowhere to be found.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what that was.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions  

According to the Spurs announcers – lucky for the sixers

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh well, still one possession game.

Give it to Miller.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions  

Feh – wrong andre

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Unreal

Iggy is my hero.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:43 PM PST reply actions  

Iggy is a monster in the paint.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:43 PM PST reply actions  

What was miller thinking on that pass?

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:44 PM PST reply actions  

fuck me

right in the a-hole.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:44 PM PST reply actions  

You know – that’s just irritating that they don’t get that rebound – you knew parker was going to make that

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:44 PM PST reply actions  

Miller

was the closest, but it was just a long rebound that bounced right to him. Unlucky break.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Parker still hit an incredibly tough shot.

It happens, unfortunately.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

wow

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:44 PM PST reply actions  

nah – you don’t

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

If you think about it the game really had no right being that close – a few inherent flaws in this team bites them as usual…like not boxing out and poor 3 point defense, but they came back they made it a game and there are some nice things to take from this game…so what’s next?

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:45 PM PST reply actions  

There's no question there were a lot of positives.

But you always hate to lose like that.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate to lose when two of the strongest offensive players are on the bench for the majority of the 4th

by jemagee on Jan 3, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That's extremely disappointing.

I can’t believe it had to end like that.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:46 PM PST reply actions  

You realize

that pass was Miller’s only turnover.

Send GT Green packing.

by depressedfan on Jan 3, 2009 7:54 PM PST reply actions  

I wouldn't have expected him to make that pass.

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by Jordan Sams on Jan 3, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

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