Fun With Point Guards and Statistics
Not so much fun, but long and technical.
I didn't have anything to do at my job today, so I decided to revisit a statistic I created about a year and a half ago, but updated somewhat. I thought about this today because I wondered how good Andre Miller is compared to the other point guards of the league. I'm a huge fan of Miller's and I would be open to the Sixers resigning him after the year ended. So without further ado: What I wrote some time ago, with updated statistics and analysis:
Clearly, the hardest position on the basketball floor to evaluate is point guard. This is so for two reasons. First, the point guard is expected to demonstrate intangible qualities, like leadership and playmaking. But also, it is because the goals for a point guard seem to contradict each other. To explain what I mean by this, first I'll talk about two power forwards with exactly the same skill set, except Forward A is a much better rebounder than Forward B. While we would expect the two forwards to have similar scoring averages, Forward A's would probably be a little better than Forward B's. That is because A would collect offensive rebounds and instantly have a shot attempt available, while B would not be able to receive the ball. Also, on a more indirect note, Forward A would collect more defensive rebounds, leading to more possessions all around for his team. But through this example, we see that rebounds work in concert with scoring average. But, point guards do not rebound. Instead, their primary evaluative statistic, aside from scoring, is assists. Assists work against the individual's scoring average. If a player has an opportunity to pass the ball or shoot the ball, the team may score either way, but the player's scoring average will only improve if he shoots. A basket, though, is a basket, regardless of who makes it. Thus, when evaluating point guards, assists and scoring have to be treated equally.
Points per game is the most basic way to measure a player's productivity, but as previously stated, point guards need to have their passing evaluated as well. Thus, to calculate how many points per game the point guard directly creates, the guard's points-per game must be added to a weighted assist total.
So, how do we determine the weighted assist coefficient? It's tempting to say that each basket is worth two points, so each assist that leads up to the basket must be worth two points as well. However, this does not take into account three point baskets. When taking three pointers into account, the average basket in the 2005/06 NBA season was worth 2.175 points. By that, we can conclude that each assist should be worth 2.175 points as well. The equation is as follows: Points created by player= Points per game + 2.175(Assists per game). Are we done? Not yet.
We forgot about turnovers. Peewee coaches have been stressing ball control for years, but these showboating NBA players just care about razzle-dazzle. Hence, we need to take turnovers into the equation. Conceptually, it should seem obvious that an assist is worth more than a turnover, regardless of what coaches say. That is because an assist always leads to a made basket (natch), while turnovers do not always prevent a made basket. But, we have to assign some value to a turnover, so how do we do it?
Magic. Nah, what we need to do is look at the total possessions a team has in a game. Then we see how many points the team scores, and finally how many turnovers it has committed. These are the only three numbers we need. First, we subtract out turnovers from possessions. These possessions are 'wasted'; the team could not have scored from these. What we are left with are the amount of possessions the team could have scored with. We must divide points scored by eligible possessions. Thus, what we have is points scored per eligible possession. This, theoretically, is the amount of points the team scores per eligible possession, and the amount it would score on all possessions if no turnovers occurred. To get total possessions, add turnovers and field goal attempts and subtract offensive rebounds. This is because a possession can end in either a shot attempt or a turnover (or free throw attempts, but we'll get to that a little later) and offensive rebounds increase shot attempts and turnovers, but they don't add possessions. They just prolong possessions. This part is not some agreed upon fact, just a judgement call I made. For the 2007/08 season, a team scored 1.42 points per eligible possession. (The average team scored 99.9 points per game, had 84.41 possessions per game, and averaged 14.11 turnovers per game). To conclude, a turnover is worth 1.42 points a piece.
Now, we have all we need to calculate a point guard's ability to directly influence scoring. The equation is as follows: Points per game + 2.175(Assists per game) - 1.42(Turnovers per game) = Scoring directly influenced by point guards (or any player really, just that this metric works best with the floor generals). But we can do more with this. Since some players play more minutes than others, we can equalize the minutes. Say hypothetically, what would each player's contribution be if he played 40 min. a game at the same level he played his current minutes at. Or, since some teams play at a faster pace, artifically increasing his numbers, how would he do playing at a standard pace. Now, I'm not saying players will perform at the same level for increased minutes or a decreased pace, but it aids in comparison. And remember I said I'd get to free throws? Well, here I am. Free throws are difficult to add in because of the different ways free throws occur. They can occur without interrupting possession (think "And One" Calls), after the defense is over the limit, and so on. I haven't found a place or site that differentiates how free throws occur. Thus, I excluded them altogether. If you think about it, most free throws result because of a foul during a shot. If that is so, it is listed as a shot attempt, whether it goes in or not, and so those free throw occurrences are included in possessions per game. The free throws which aren't included in possessions are the ones where the defense commits a foul after reaching the limit. In those situations, the point guard hasn't really done anything anyway (except maybe draw the foul, in which case he shoots free throws), and so those 'fouled' possessions are excluded from the formula altogether. This is not a perfect solution, I understand. But it is the 'fairest' one I could come up with.
So here's how the point guards compared for the 07/08 season. The age and team are for last year. "DP" is Direct Points, what I created. "DP/40" is Direct Points per 40 min and "DP/40Pace" is Direct Points per 40 minutes divided by the pace factor for the player's team and then multiplied by 100 so it's not a crazy fraction.
Rank Player Age Team DP DP/40 DP/40Pace
1 Paul 22 NO 42.78 45.51 50.07
2 Nash 33 PHO 35.93 41.90 45.55
3 James 23 CLE 40.83 40.43 45.22
4 D.Wllms 23 UTA 36.81 39.47 44.91
5 Ford 24 TOR 22.53 38.34 43.23
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19 A.Miller 31 PHI 28.46 30.93 33.26
I'm sorry, I thought about listing all 48 players I ran the analysis for here, but that seriously would have taken all day, cuz I would have to have manually formatted the entire list. I wish I could import a spreadsheet onto SBN. If anyone knows how, please tell me (assuming you've read this far). Anyway, Miller falls into the middle of "2nd-tier PGs", with Raymond Felton, Ramon Sessions, and Earl Watson surprisingly ahead of him. The fading Jason Kidd is also ahead of him in this second tier group. Miller is ahead of Mo Williams, Jameer Nelson, Mike Bibby, Gilbert Arenas (though Arenas only played like 19 games), and Kirk Hinrich. Rebounding is not taken into account, which helps explain Kidd's diminshed value. Sessions' place ahead of Miller and some others is explained away by a small sample size. He only played 26.5 minutes a game in 17 games.
Anyway, Miller did not do as well as I thought he would have. While I don't think I would put him in the 'elite' category, which is a somewhat arbitrary class, I would have listed him as the best of the 2nd tier. On the surface, his stats would agree with me. 17 points, 6.9 assists, and 2.5 TOs. What gives? Well first, the assist seems to be making a comeback. I remember years when only Jason Kidd would log over 10 of them a game. Now, 4 players (Nash, Kidd, D. Williams, and Paul) topped 10. And Miller's 6.9 only tied him for 13th in the league (and two more players had 6.8 assists). Second, while Miller's PPG look impressive, of the guards I looked at, Miller was 11th in the league in minutes played, so while he put up good numbers, it took him a relatively long time to do it. While that's not too bad, when compared to numbers in an equal amount of time, Miller's performance looks less than stellar.
Conclusions: Miller is not as 'unexpendable' as I originally thought. While I still think it behooves the team to resign him, this has a lot to do with the fact that the team doesn't have good replacements waiting in line. He's not elite, but average, and given his age, I would not expect him to be a quality PG much longer. A two or three year deal seems like a worthwhile gamble for the team, assuming it makes a reasonable effort, either throught the draft or some other means, to secure a 'point guard of the future' type. While I'm not saying the metric I've shown you today is by any means the end all of point guard evaluative measures, it represents my best effort to create a metric that takes into account both the scoring and passing function of a point guard. Thank you for reading this far (if indeed you have)
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Andre MIller had a great season last year – probably the best of his career – but he’s on the wrong side of 30 and any one who thinks he can maintain that level of play for an extended period of time is fooling themselves and his trade value was probably at its highest before the 2007 draft – by february he’ll most likely be an expiring contract – and that’s it.
Ah well – count on the sixers to sell low
by jemagee on Nov 6, 2008 1:50 PM PST 0 recs
its true that miller had a career year last year, but his career numbers prior to last season have been pretty good as well. His career averages are 14.4 pts and 7.5 assists per game. One year, he even led the league in assists.
and yes, he is on the wrong side of 30. but he’s not like 36 or 37 years old. he’s only 32. He still has a couple good years left in him. I’m not advocating signing him to a long term deal or anything. Two or three years, at a salary reduced from what he currently is making. When the team signed Brand, the rebuilding process effectively ended. Every year the Sixers sit around and wait for a point guard to develop is essentially a waste of a quality year of Brand and Iguodala, and those years are expensive. It’s not like the Sixers have an up and coming point guard waiting in the wings. Lou is more of a combo player and he’s best suited as a 6th man because of it. The free agency class of 09 has Nash, Kidd, and Bibby, who are either older or comparable to miller, faux-PG Jamal Crawford, and Raymond Felton is a restricted free agent. Listen, I’m not jumping around saying Miller is our boy, but facing reality, he’s better than what’s out there (save for maybe Felton, but I don’t think the Sixers can grab him)
by dp8039 on
Nov 6, 2008 3:19 PM PST
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Counting stats don’t ever impress me
by jemagee on Nov 6, 2008 3:22 PM PST 0 recs
what does?
its not like stats are completely separate from on-court performance. i mean, stats just keep track of what a player does on court. im not saying stats completely replace judgement. but its an objective record of things past
and im not trying to impress anyone with 14.4/7.5. I’m just saying, even without last year, Miller has had a very respectable career
by dp8039 on
Nov 6, 2008 5:16 PM PST
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What if someone average 84.5ppg, 42 rbg? Would that impress you?
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on
Nov 7, 2008 6:47 PM PST
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I'd be impressed
that would mean the team would be averaging nearly 200 points all due to the contribution of a single player.
by einman77 on
Nov 7, 2008 7:16 PM PST
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Wow!
This must have taken you forever! Nice work. That’s really awesome. Can you just plug in any point guard there? Who have you done? I would be interested in taking a peek at that spreadsheet.
by einman77 on Nov 7, 2008 3:46 PM PST 0 recs
without getting into the minutae of posting each player's actual rating, the order is
1. Paul, 2. Nash, 3. James, 4. Deron 5. Ford 6. Calderon 7. Billups 8. T. Parker 9. K.Bryant 10. Baron Davis 11.Iverson 12.D.Wade 13. Brandon Roy Note, of the top 13, almost all are, or have been (or should have been all-stars in years past)
14. Sessions 15.Felton 16.Kidd 17.Devin Harris 18.Earl Watson 19.A.Miller 20.Arenas 21.Mo Williams 22.Bibby 23.Tinsley 24.Cassell 25.Jameer Nelson. This is the group I arbitrarily determined was 2nd tier. The grouping here is extremely tight. When standardizing minutes and pace, there is less than a point difference between Kidd and Arenas.
26.Ridnour 27.Crawford 28.Hinrich 29.Foye 30.Stuckey 31.Conley, Jr 32.Blake 33.Alston 34.Rondo 35.Lowry 36.Telfair 37.Monta Ellis 38.Jack 39.Udrih 40.An.Carter 41.Fisher. As you can see, this is where we see marginal starters/top reserves. Quinn, B.Knight, D.West, Anthony Johnson, Antonio Daniels, Nate Robinson, and Larry Hughes rounded out the list
by dp8039 on
Nov 7, 2008 6:39 PM PST
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Good work!
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Nov 7, 2008 6:00 PM PST 0 recs
Beautiful FanPost bro.
Where will you be when the Sixers hoist the Larry O'Brien trophy? Hopefully Liberty Ballers.
by jsams on Nov 7, 2008 6:06 PM PST 0 recs
Fellow Stat Geek
It hurts me to say this, because I value these sorts of exercises (and I’m very interested in them… I followed this link all the way from the Trailblazer site just to see it and say hello to you folk who rescued us from Maurice Cheeks) but I wonder if all your work can be rendered into:
The dread +/- system.
In essence, what you’re trying to do is assign a point value to official stats and some unofficial ones, then add up these points, other sundry arithmetic tricks, and voila: you’ve got a kind of points per game measuer that you use to compare all PGs. So that leads to the question, why not just use the actual points?
To improve on +/- (and I’m no defender of it, I just think it’s hard to improve on which just goes to show how hard it is to measure PG performance), I think you have to examine similar plays, players and situations.
For example, can you measure the number of ISO plays that PG’s are asked to defend against. What was the result? Points? Fouls? Steals? Turnovers? Missed jumpers? Dunks? One of the handy things is that every point guard in the league has to play against Steve Nash at one time or another and that will involve some ISO work. At the end of the season, you should be able to say something like: here were the top-three point guards at defending Nash one-on-one. If you did it with enough players (something they do in baseball regularly), you could come up with the best individual defender.
Of course, you’ve got to figure out how to factor out or factor in the looming presence of a Yao Ming, Dwight Howard, or (God help you if he ever gets healthy) Greg Oden.
One could also do the reverse for when your PG is asked to create on ISO plays designed for him. Now you have an offensive measure.
How about fast breaks? Eventually, every PG is running a 3 on 3, 3 on 2, 3 and 1, etc. What is the success rate of these plays?
Hard to do, obviously. Frustratingly hard.
But I think that’s the direction we all have to go to create better statistics. Football faced the same thing and Football Outsiders is beginning to recreate statistical sets. Just like baseball did (thank you Moneyball). It is said our beloved Kevin Pritchard has is own statistical set he uses (and which I hope will appear on our blog one day because I’d be fascinated to see it).
But somehow we’re going to have recreate common situations and right now, in the standard box score, we really have the most worthless melange of game situations boild down, blended, frapped, eaten and regurgitated out for the sporting audience that one can concieve of.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
by Phizbin on Nov 7, 2008 6:31 PM PST 0 recs
“So that leads to the question, why not just use the actual points?”
You answered the question in your post, so I don’t know if it was rhetorical or you wanted a response, but without keeping track of an overwhelming amount of occurrences, determining what the average value of an occurrence is is really the best we can do.
interestingly enough, i believe that’s what sabermetricians did in baseball. To create better defensive statistics, they recorded where every ball was fielded, charted it, and recorded the results. That’s a tall drink of water, and truthfully, I don’t have the zeal to do that
by dp8039 on
Nov 7, 2008 6:53 PM PST
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True Enough
It would take a massively coordinated effort. Maybe this SB Nation thing will eventually evolve into an institution capable of trying something like that. It would be more useful then replicating talk-radio in blog form, which is something that seems to happen peculiarly often.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
by Phizbin on
Nov 7, 2008 7:11 PM PST
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This is a better topic than what's going on at Bedge, you're in rec posts now
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Nov 7, 2008 6:51 PM PST 0 recs
Sheesh... you're hard on on our poor site.
I don’t think we’re that impoverished.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
by Phizbin on
Nov 7, 2008 7:12 PM PST
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Right now?
hyping up a Sergio trade isn’t in anyone’s interest. We’re still figuring out guard combos and then this wrench gets thrown in the works. God I wish it happened months from now, when we and other teams know what we have in him and the rest of our guards. Maybe this post could help us figure it out. Regardless, the topic of conversation at BE is disheartening today.
by einman77 on
Nov 7, 2008 8:09 PM PST
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Prez from BlazersEdge visiting....
Great post, bruh. Great post.
PS—use Google Spreadsheets when you’re desperate. You can always link to them from your post.
But seriously, that was a barn barner of a post.
Marc Gasol“s formula.
Asked about his way to succeed, Marc Gasol said: "If the coach asks me for banging my own head 200 times, I do it. Even more, I do it 500 times."
--translated by Amlmart
by prezofdeath on Nov 7, 2008 7:11 PM PST 0 recs
Excelent post
I realy lliked the way you broke it down and explained it.
I started out with nothing and I still have most of it.
by mg32 on Nov 7, 2008 8:39 PM PST 0 recs








